Why can't we do something not command in the Bible?
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Do you think we are dealing with a question about.......
MASTERB@@@@@TION?
Oh yuk!!! That's a sticky one.
Do you think we are dealing with a question about.......MASTERB@@@@@TION?
Oh yuk!!! That's a sticky one.
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Sister, Paul isn't pitting the Law against the Spirit in chapter 5 or the entire book, saying "the Spirit supersedes the law". He's saying, the Spirit and the Law are in harmony but folks who try to perform cleansing tasks in the law, while STILL being evil to one another, do nothing to save/justify them in the law.
Paul says there IS a law against...:
- Adultery
- Fornication
- Uncleanness
- Lasciviousness
- Idolatry
- Witchcraft
- Hatred
- Variance
- Emulations
- Wrath
- Strife
- Seditions
- Heresies
- Envyings
- Murders
- Drunkenness
- Revellings, etc
...He then emphasizes that ANYONE doing the above will not inherit the kingdom.
But Paul adds there is NO law against...:
- Love
- Joy
- Peace
- Longsuffering
- Gentleness
- Goodness
- Faith
- Meekness
- Temperance
...and then concludes that we should operate by the 2nd list (Spirit), not the 1st list (Flesh) so we don't need to worry about violating the law...EVER.
Paul says there IS a law against...:
- Adultery
- Fornication
- Uncleanness
- Lasciviousness
- Idolatry
- Witchcraft
- Hatred
- Variance
- Emulations
- Wrath
- Strife
- Seditions
- Heresies
- Envyings
- Murders
- Drunkenness
- Revellings, etc
...He then emphasizes that ANYONE doing the above will not inherit the kingdom.
But Paul adds there is NO law against...:
- Love
- Joy
- Peace
- Longsuffering
- Gentleness
- Goodness
- Faith
- Meekness
- Temperance
...and then concludes that we should operate by the 2nd list (Spirit), not the 1st list (Flesh) so we don't need to worry about violating the law...EVER.
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6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Thanks, I'll just stick with what Paul teaches
Thanks, I'll just stick with what Paul teaches
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actually this is what he says about it
1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?
3Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing, if it really was for nothing? 5Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?
6So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”a 7Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”b 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?
3Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing, if it really was for nothing? 5Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?
6So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”a 7Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”b 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
you know, it does not appear you actually understand the book of Galatians. seems you are somehow conflating the old with the new and that is EXACTLY what Paul is concerned about. smh
please consult perhaps a commentary or 2 for further understanding as no one is even coming close to whatever it is your point is
I cannot comprehend why some people basically make things up and then try to say someone else said it. it's strange
1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?
3Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing, if it really was for nothing? 5Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?
6So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”a 7Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”b 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?
3Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing, if it really was for nothing? 5Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?
6So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”a 7Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”b 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
you know, it does not appear you actually understand the book of Galatians. seems you are somehow conflating the old with the new and that is EXACTLY what Paul is concerned about. smh
please consult perhaps a commentary or 2 for further understanding as no one is even coming close to whatever it is your point is
I cannot comprehend why some people basically make things up and then try to say someone else said it. it's strange
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6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Thanks, I'll just stick with what Paul teaches
Thanks, I'll just stick with what Paul teaches
Galatians 2:16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
1) What does "justify" mean in the context of Paul's letter, biblically?
2) Which "works of the law" were the Galatians doing to justify a person? Were there specific ones the people were performing or does Paul mean "every law found in the code"? In other words, do you believe a command like "thou shall not bear false witness" is a "work of the law"?
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uh huh.
Galatians is more appropriate than I originally thought
just more law keeping nonsense all dressed up in the 'original gospel' twist
since no one that I am aware of has ever stated we are free to sin, you are just wasting time. you will not address the actual scripture other than to present it according to your own persuasion
I am already persuaded that salvation is only through the blood of Christ and He fulfilled all of the law . Therefore, the wrath of God against all sin is no longer in effect for all those in Christ. I don't have to call Jesus by special names in other languages or pretend I know more than those who simply accept by faith all that God has promised to those who in Christ
what does 'O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? ' mean? Paul is comparing law there? no...he is warning those who want to incorporate any part of the law into a Gentile congregation that they are utterly deceived if they do so. FAITH through the Holy Spirit...not useless enslavery to a law no one ever kept
I'm not really asking. I know a dead end when I see one.
not responding to you further. I believe the gospel...not some convoluted twisted law keeping comparison to the gospel
understand I mean what I say
Galatians is more appropriate than I originally thought
just more law keeping nonsense all dressed up in the 'original gospel' twist
since no one that I am aware of has ever stated we are free to sin, you are just wasting time. you will not address the actual scripture other than to present it according to your own persuasion
I am already persuaded that salvation is only through the blood of Christ and He fulfilled all of the law . Therefore, the wrath of God against all sin is no longer in effect for all those in Christ. I don't have to call Jesus by special names in other languages or pretend I know more than those who simply accept by faith all that God has promised to those who in Christ
what does 'O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? ' mean? Paul is comparing law there? no...he is warning those who want to incorporate any part of the law into a Gentile congregation that they are utterly deceived if they do so. FAITH through the Holy Spirit...not useless enslavery to a law no one ever kept
I'm not really asking. I know a dead end when I see one.
not responding to you further. I believe the gospel...not some convoluted twisted law keeping comparison to the gospel
understand I mean what I say
At some point I would hope it would dawn on some of us that "law KEEPing" and "lawLESSness" are diametrically opposed concepts on every level imaginable; that "the spirit of lawLESSness" is against the law, just as the flesh is against the Holy Spirit.
Strong delusion.
Then take care. This is to edify others who will read it. It's amazing how some who've been so conditioned to stay miles away from the law of God (as if it's the problem) presume to know everything about it.
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- Do not have other gods before the Almighty
- No idolization of created things
- Do not take the Almighty's Name in vain
- Keep the Sabbath
- Honor Parents
- Do not murder
- Do not commit adultery
- Do not steal
- Do not bear false witness
- Do not covet
^ These examples are "laws". These are NOT "works of the law".
- Fleshly Circumcision
- Animal sacrifice for sin
- Sprinkling of blood
- Not touching dead bodies
- Separation from the "unclean"
- Death
^ These examples ARE "works of the law". These are what one did to CLEANSE/PAY FOR (i.e. justify) themselves in the eyes of the Almighty AFTER they broke a law (as every law that's broken in every society in existence has a price to pay).
The problem is, these "works of the law" were ALWAYS placeholders UNTIL Messiah came to do the true work Himself. They could NEVER truly pay the price. They could never justify.
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Galatians' problem (after Messiah came):
Believers in Galatia - after faith in the Messiah - began...
- Fleshly Circumcision
- Animal sacrifice for sin
- Sprinkling of blood
- Not touching dead bodies
- Separation from the "unclean"
...performing these ^ "works of the law" in an attempt to JUSTIFY themselves as Jew had to do beforehand; as if Messiah hadn't come, which made the faith in the blood of Messiah of none effect to them. And if they were no longer covered by Messiah's blood, then they were still under the pentalty of the Holy law, required to perform all "works of the law" and deserved death.
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Galatians Chapter 5:
To add further dimension, even if one obeyed a "work of the law" - like circumcision - but was evil to one another (and operated in their flesh) the "work" wouldn't count (this was the same message Paul told the Romans); it's counted as "non circumcision" and that person is still under the penalty of the Holy law and deserved death.
So he concluded that after faith in the Messiah they should live by the fruits of the Spirit not by the flesh because there is no law against those acts that could be broken...and if there's no law to be broken, there's no need for further justification through useless "works of the law" anyhow. The Holy law would be fulfilled through their love for one another.
Notice, nothing at all is said against obeying the commandments.
Strong delusion.
Then take care. This is to edify others who will read it. It's amazing how some who've been so conditioned to stay miles away from the law of God (as if it's the problem) presume to know everything about it.
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- Do not have other gods before the Almighty
- No idolization of created things
- Do not take the Almighty's Name in vain
- Keep the Sabbath
- Honor Parents
- Do not murder
- Do not commit adultery
- Do not steal
- Do not bear false witness
- Do not covet
^ These examples are "laws". These are NOT "works of the law".
- Fleshly Circumcision
- Animal sacrifice for sin
- Sprinkling of blood
- Not touching dead bodies
- Separation from the "unclean"
- Death
^ These examples ARE "works of the law". These are what one did to CLEANSE/PAY FOR (i.e. justify) themselves in the eyes of the Almighty AFTER they broke a law (as every law that's broken in every society in existence has a price to pay).
The problem is, these "works of the law" were ALWAYS placeholders UNTIL Messiah came to do the true work Himself. They could NEVER truly pay the price. They could never justify.
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Galatians' problem (after Messiah came):
Believers in Galatia - after faith in the Messiah - began...
- Fleshly Circumcision
- Animal sacrifice for sin
- Sprinkling of blood
- Not touching dead bodies
- Separation from the "unclean"
...performing these ^ "works of the law" in an attempt to JUSTIFY themselves as Jew had to do beforehand; as if Messiah hadn't come, which made the faith in the blood of Messiah of none effect to them. And if they were no longer covered by Messiah's blood, then they were still under the pentalty of the Holy law, required to perform all "works of the law" and deserved death.
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Galatians Chapter 5:
To add further dimension, even if one obeyed a "work of the law" - like circumcision - but was evil to one another (and operated in their flesh) the "work" wouldn't count (this was the same message Paul told the Romans); it's counted as "non circumcision" and that person is still under the penalty of the Holy law and deserved death.
So he concluded that after faith in the Messiah they should live by the fruits of the Spirit not by the flesh because there is no law against those acts that could be broken...and if there's no law to be broken, there's no need for further justification through useless "works of the law" anyhow. The Holy law would be fulfilled through their love for one another.
Notice, nothing at all is said against obeying the commandments.
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This closer to what I had in mind. In the NT women are advised not to wear expensive clothes, but depend on inner beauty.
That principle was used to say one can not wear suits in church. The writer wrote if it is not commanded in the Bible, no one can do it.
He was against celebrating birthdays, milestones in people's lives, etc.,
That principle was used to say one can not wear suits in church. The writer wrote if it is not commanded in the Bible, no one can do it.
He was against celebrating birthdays, milestones in people's lives, etc.,
Hebrews 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Acts 24:16
And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.
Romans 9:1
I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Romans 13:5
Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
1 Corinthians 10:27
If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
1 Timothy 1:5
Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
Hebrews 13:18
Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.
Does the Holy Spirit convict people of sin?
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Acts 24:16
And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.
Romans 9:1
I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Romans 13:5
Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
1 Corinthians 10:27
If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
1 Timothy 1:5
Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
Hebrews 13:18
Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.
Does the Holy Spirit convict people of sin?
Nadab and Abihu offered strange fire that the Lord had not commanded them. Apparently, they were supposed to offer incense with sanctified fire from the temple. Some preachers make much of the fact that they were not commanded to use the fire and try to apply that to whatever thing that is not specifically commanded that they think should be forbidden in church meetings.
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