Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

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Nehemiah6

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I've frequently addressed this. You believe Matthew 24: verse 2 is about AD 70 , and the subsequent two chapters are not.
Matthew 24 covers events from AD 70 all the way past the Second Coming of Christ (which is still in the future). And Matthew 25 continues on from there.
 
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Yet Israel is still in sin. They are still denying Christ and getting ready to build a new temple. They have already practiced offering sacrifice again for when the temple is built

The city is still in ruins there is no temple and Israel is still in sin. All things Daniel prayed would stop

So I guess God failed. That’s the only comclusion I can come up with
Nope, God never failed, the End of Daily Sacrifice has led to an influx of Messianic Jews converting and accepting Christ as their Messiah. Christ died for all of humanity but merely less than 10% will actually accept Him as their Lord and Savior. Is that also another failure? But 10% of both Gentile and Jew is a far greater number than Jew only under the Mosaic Law.

But the bottom line is within this discussion concerning Daniel in Chapter 9, 11, and 12 all have to do with the Ending of Daily Sacrifice. No Temple = No Daily Sacrifice! There has not been Daily Sacrifice since 70 A.D. Ironically, the Gospel of Christ has flourished and almost been made known to the modern world. So this was God's intentions all along.
 

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There has not been Daily Sacrifice since 70 A.D.
And that is why we need to properly grasp what was said by Daniel, Christ, Paul, and John at different times. They all saw a THIRD TEMPLE in Jerusalem where daily sacrifices would be offered for at least 3 1/2 years before they were shut down. And why would they be shut down? So that the Abomination of Desolation could be set up in the Holy Place and worshipped. And who would do this? The Little Horn, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, the Wicked, the Beast, the Antichrist.

"Abomination" means detestable thing, and there is nothing more detestable to God than an idol -- particularly if it is the image of a man who claims to be God. Therefore this idol will trigger worldwide desolations -- divine judgments which are unprecedented (as shown in Revelation).

Nebuchadnezzar -- a type of the Antichrist -- gave the world a preview of the above when he erected a golden image and demanded that all his subjects worship it: Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon... And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. (Dan 2:1,6)

A cubit was 18 inches in length (or even 20" in some cases). Three score cubits would be 3 x 20 = 60 x 18 or 1,080 inches, which is 90 feet high -- the approximate height of a three-story building. Will the Antichrist duplicate this? It is more than likely.
 
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And that is why we need to properly grasp what was said by Daniel, Christ, Paul, and John at different times. They all saw a THIRD TEMPLE in Jerusalem where daily sacrifices would be offered for at least 3 1/2 years before they were shut down. And why would they be shut down? So that the Abomination of Desolation could be set up in the Holy Place and worshipped. And who would do this? The Little Horn, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, the Wicked, the Beast, the Antichrist.

"Abomination" means detestable thing, and there is nothing more detestable to God than an idol -- particularly if it is the image of a man who claims to be God. Therefore this idol will trigger worldwide desolations -- divine judgments which are unprecedented (as shown in Revelation).

Nebuchadnezzar -- a type of the Antichrist -- gave the world a preview of the above when he erected a golden image and demanded that all his subjects worship it: Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon... And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. (Dan 2:1,6)

A cubit was 18 inches in length (or even 20" in some cases). Three score cubits would be 3 x 20 = 60 x 18 or 1,080 inches, which is 90 feet high -- the approximate height of a three-story building. Will the Antichrist duplicate this? It is more than likely.
I will AGREE with you that from the Version of the King James Bible, it does read this way. But thank God Daniel was written in Hebrew and we have that Version. Because it proves the King James Version is nothing more than King James own personal Version and [NOT] the Truth!
 
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Remember though, I am not claiming that all prophecy was ended in 70 A.D. I am merely claiming the AoD was fulfilled in 70 A.D. because the Hebrew Version of Daniel is detailed that the AoD was the Ending of the Daily Sacrifice.

I am not discussing future Events although Luke is clear when the End of the Gentile Reign is over, Signs will happen like we are now seeing with the weather, the fires, the ice melting, the floods, earthquakes, volcanoes, having winter conditions during the Summer months, how the welfare of humanity is doing, the governments forcing us to accept same sex like it's a natural occurrence, and the mass Viruses that have hit us like HIV, West Nile Flu, Pig Flu, multiple Covids, and now this Covid-19 all can be read from Luke 21.

And we know since 1948, JEWS themselves have governed Israel. They're a recognized State, and their Air force is [second to none]. So the Gentile Reign over Israel is long gone!

Luke 21:
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
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Fulfilled 1948

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
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We're experiencing this now


Christ could return and fulfill Verse 27 any moment!
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
We should be obeying Verse 28 this very Moment!
 
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Nope, God never failed, the End of Daily Sacrifice has led to an influx of Messianic Jews converting and accepting Christ as their Messiah. Christ died for all of humanity but merely less than 10% will actually accept Him as their Lord and Savior. Is that also another failure? But 10% of both Gentile and Jew is a far greater number than Jew only under the Mosaic Law.

But the bottom line is within this discussion concerning Daniel in Chapter 9, 11, and 12 all have to do with the Ending of Daily Sacrifice. No Temple = No Daily Sacrifice! There has not been Daily Sacrifice since 70 A.D. Ironically, the Gospel of Christ has flourished and almost been made known to the modern world. So this was God's intentions all along.
You don’t get it

At the end of 70 weeks was supposed to be the end of sin. That never happened

You have nothing my friend. Only parts. That’s nit how we interpret prophecy.
 

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Remember though, I am not claiming that all prophecy was ended in 70 A.D. I am merely claiming the AoD was fulfilled in 70 A.D. because the Hebrew Version of Daniel is detailed that the AoD was the Ending of the Daily Sacrifice.
From the time that Jesus quoted Daniel 9:27 to the destruction of the temple, there has been no fulfillment of Daniel 9:27. There was no seven year covenant made and no abomination set up in the holy place with the temple.

I am not discussing future Events although Luke is clear when the End of the Gentile Reign is over
In no way has the 'time of the Gentiles' come to an end. That won't take place until the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, where the beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire and the rest of the wicked Gentiles are killed by the Lord via the double-edged sword.

Signs will happen like we are now seeing with the weather, the fires, the ice melting, the floods, earthquakes, volcanoes, having winter conditions during the Summer months, how the welfare of humanity is doing, the governments forcing us to accept same sex like it's a natural occurrence, and the mass Viruses that have hit us like HIV, West Nile Flu, Pig Flu, multiple Covids, and now this Covid-19 all can be read from Luke 21.
We has not experienced any of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgements to this day. I keep saying this, but people have no idea of the severity and magnitude of the coming wrath of God. They water it down by claiming that we are already experiencing it. However, those events that are to come will be unprecedented.

And we know since 1948, JEWS themselves have governed Israel. They're a recognized State, and their Air force is [second to none]. So the Gentile Reign over Israel is long gone!

Those plagues of wrath have not yet taken place.


The scriptures above are describing the event of the Lord's second coming, which is when He returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom. Since the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place prior to God's wrath, then for you and others Christ's return to the earth cannot take place at any moment. The Lord will not return to the earth to end the age until after the 7th bowl has been poured out.

Another reason that we cannot currently be experiencing the wrath of God, is because the church is still here which is not appointed to suffer God's wrath.

However, the Lord's coming to gather His church is most definitely imminent, for He will remove us from the earth prior to the on-set of God's wrath which begins at the breaking of the first seal.
 
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You don’t get it

At the end of 70 weeks was supposed to be the end of sin. That never happened

You have nothing my friend. Only parts. That’s nit how we interpret prophecy.
Where in Daniel [other than the KJV Bible] does it say end of sin?
 
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From the time that Jesus quoted Daniel 9:27 to the destruction of the temple, there has been no fulfillment of Daniel 9:27. There was no seven year covenant made and no abomination set up in the holy place with the temple.



In no way has the 'time of the Gentiles' come to an end. That won't take place until the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, where the beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire and the rest of the wicked Gentiles are killed by the Lord via the double-edged sword.



We has not experienced any of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgements to this day. I keep saying this, but people have no idea of the severity and magnitude of the coming wrath of God. They water it down by claiming that we are already experiencing it. However, those events that are to come will be unprecedented.

And we know since 1948, JEWS themselves have governed Israel. They're a recognized State, and their Air force is [second to none]. So the Gentile Reign over Israel is long gone!



Those plagues of wrath have not yet taken place.




The scriptures above are describing the event of the Lord's second coming, which is when He returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom. Since the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place prior to God's wrath, then for you and others Christ's return to the earth cannot take place at any moment. The Lord will not return to the earth to end the age until after the 7th bowl has been poured out.

Another reason that we cannot currently be experiencing the wrath of God, is because the church is still here which is not appointed to suffer God's wrath.

However, the Lord's coming to gather His church is most definitely imminent, for He will remove us from the earth prior to the on-set of God's wrath which begins at the breaking of the first seal.

REREAD:
Luke 21:
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

That Verse plainly states the Gentiles trodden down Jerusalem.
That happened 70 A.D.
Gentiles have RULED Jerusalem from that moment on
in 1948, the Jews regained control of Jerusalem
1948 = End of Gentile Reign in Jerusalem!

Verse 24 is only about Jerusalem, not about Your False Doctrine!
 
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Where in Daniel [other than the KJV Bible] does it say end of sin?
Daniel 9:24 (NKJV): 24 “Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
 
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Daniel 9:24 (NKJV): 24 “Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
Finish the transgression
seal up or make and end of sin
used with other OT passages and romans 11. This will happen
 
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You are making scriptural coleslaw. Lots of colour and lots of different raw ingredients
tossed in with abandon,
but this is never going to get you a Michelin star.
And never forget, true students of Daniel know their vegetables.

From the time that Jesus quoted Daniel 9:27 to the destruction of the temple, there has been no fulfillment of Daniel 9:27. There was no seven year covenant made and no abomination set up in the holy place with the temple.

In no way has the 'time of the Gentiles' come to an end. That won't take place until the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, where the beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire and the rest of the wicked Gentiles are killed by the Lord via the double-edged sword.

We has not experienced any of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgements to this day. I keep saying this, but people have no idea of the severity and magnitude of the coming wrath of God. They water it down by claiming that we are already experiencing it. However, those events that are to come will be unprecedented.

And we know since 1948, JEWS themselves have governed Israel. They're a recognized State, and their Air force is [second to none]. So the Gentile Reign over Israel is long gone!

Those plagues of wrath have not yet taken place.

The scriptures above are describing the event of the Lord's second coming, which is when He returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom. Since the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place prior to God's wrath, then for you and others Christ's return to the earth cannot take place at any moment. The Lord will not return to the earth to end the age until after the 7th bowl has been poured out.

Another reason that we cannot currently be experiencing the wrath of God, is because the church is still here which is not appointed to suffer God's wrath.

However, the Lord's coming to gather His church is most definitely imminent, for He will remove us from the earth prior to the on-set of God's wrath which begins at the breaking of the first seal.
 

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You are making scriptural coleslaw. Lots of colour and lots of different raw ingredients
tossed in with abandon,
but this is never going to get you a Michelin star.
And never forget, true students of Daniel know their vegetables.
According to you, Daniel the Levite priest...... :ROFL:o_O
 

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I will AGREE with you that from the Version of the King James Bible, it does read this way. But thank God Daniel was written in Hebrew and we have that Version. Because it proves the King James Version is nothing more than King James own personal Version and [NOT] the Truth!
Now this is just PURE BALONEY.

So we are to conclude that you are a Hebrew scholar of the first degree. Maimonides would be proud of you.

But here is a little tid-bit. Daniel was written partly in Hebrew and partly in Aramaic (2:4-7:28). Aramaic was the language of Babylon at that time, and Daniel was a chief administrator in that Kingdom. Regardless, the Holy Spirit directed Daniel to write precisely what he penned, and unbelieving Bible "critics" hated the book of Daniel, and made up all kinds of stories about it.

However, for those who may be inclined to take AandW seriously (apart from his root beer), the King James Bible has faithfully translated both the Hebrew and Aramaic of Daniel. For over 300 years there was not a single commentator who had any issues with the Authorized Version.
 
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Daniel 9:24 (NKJV): 24 “Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
Amen!
Daniel is stating [even in the KJV] they had to that time to finish and end sins because their Daily Sacrifice was ENDING!

After that time, they better accept Christ for Remissions of Transgressions and sins!
 
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Now this is just PURE BALONEY.

So we are to conclude that you are a Hebrew scholar of the first degree. Maimonides would be proud of you.

But here is a little tid-bit. Daniel was written partly in Hebrew and partly in Aramaic (2:4-7:28). Aramaic was the language of Babylon at that time, and Daniel was a chief administrator in that Kingdom. Regardless, the Holy Spirit directed Daniel to write precisely what he penned, and unbelieving Bible "critics" hated the book of Daniel, and made up all kinds of stories about it.

However, for those who may be inclined to take AandW seriously (apart from his root beer), the King James Bible has faithfully translated both the Hebrew and Aramaic of Daniel. For over 300 years there was not a single commentator who had any issues with the Authorized Version.
Here's a tid-bit for you, Hebrew and Aramaic are basically the [SAME Language]. There are minor differences.
Even in definition clarifying Hebrew Language relationship to Aramaic, it's like having proper English and Slang English. All you did was confirm why the Hebrew Version of Daniel is that MORE Important to use versus the Translation of a translation called the KJV Bible!
 
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The KJV does not use the Hebrew at all. it uses the Greek Translation called the Septuagint. So we know Daniel wrote in Hebrew/Aramaic. It only makes sense to use the Hebrew, not the Greek to Latin to English. so much is missed that way. And it's clearly obvious throughout this thread!
 
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Amen!
Daniel is stating [even in the KJV] they had to that time to finish and end sins because their Daily Sacrifice was ENDING!

After that time, they better accept Christ for Remissions of Transgressions and sins!
The Jews had so many clues their Messiah was coming. He came and they refused Him. And Daniel warned them when the Anointed One was cut off, their Daily Sacrifice would End.

They did not listen. Since 70 A.D., the Jews have lived in SIN because they first refused their Messiah and His Death, and secondly their Temple and Daily Sacrifice Ended at the Temple's Destruction.
 
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Amen!
Daniel is stating [even in the KJV] they had to that time to finish and end sins because their Daily Sacrifice was ENDING!

After that time, they better accept Christ for Remissions of Transgressions and sins!
No
he said at the end of 70 weeks they would end their sin
just Like Many other OT prophecies say they will.
 

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Amen!
Daniel is stating [even in the KJV] they had to that time to finish and end sins because their Daily Sacrifice was ENDING!

After that time, they better accept Christ for Remissions of Transgressions and sins!
Romans 11:25-27

Rom 11:25 - For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26 - And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Rom 11:27 - For this is my covenant unto them, when I SHALL (YET FUTURE) take away their sins.