Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

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No
he said at the end of 70 weeks they would end their sin
just Like Many other OT prophecies say they will.
I think you're thinking of something else because nowhere does Daniel claim it ends their sin, it only claims it ends their Daily Sacrifice.

I've googled, did a couple other search engines, biblehub, and a few other things like Strongs and Youngs Concordance and it states NOWHERE about ending their sins after 70 weeks.
 
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Romans 11:25-27

Rom 11:25 - For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26 - And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Rom 11:27 - For this is my covenant unto them, when I SHALL (YET FUTURE) take away their sins.
You still cannot refute Daniel in Chapters 9, 11, and 12 is speaking about Ending Daily Sacrifice was called Abomination of Desolation.

I flat out gave you ALL THREE Verses.

You have to either DENY it or IGNORE to continue your baloney!
 
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Romans 11:25-27

Rom 11:25 - For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26 - And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Rom 11:27 - For this is my covenant unto them, when I SHALL (YET FUTURE) take away their sins.

Are you claiming since they cannot perform Daily Sacrifice that God is calling them sinless?
 
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Romans 11:25-27

Rom 11:25 - For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26 - And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Rom 11:27 - For this is my covenant unto them, when I SHALL (YET FUTURE) take away their sins.

Look at Verse 26.
That is the Prophecy of the Coming Messiah.
So Paul is explaining that Christ is the Messiah and takes away their sins.

But, if we have to Confess Christ as Lord and Savior, why doesn't the Jews have to?

You are clearly miss using these Verses!
 
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32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

There it is!
 
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So, according to Paul, every Jew ever born will automatically be saved?
 
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If we go by Romans Verse 32, Even the Pharisees and Zealots including Judas were in [unbelief] so God had Mercy upon them. Is this what you're claiming CV5?
 

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Luke 21:
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

That Verse plainly states the Gentiles trodden down Jerusalem.
That happened 70 A.D.
Gentiles have RULED Jerusalem from that moment on
in 1948, the Jews regained control of Jerusalem
1948 = End of Gentile Reign in Jerusalem!

Verse 24 is only about Jerusalem, not about Your False Doctrine!
As I previously stated, from the time that Jesus quoted Daniel 9:27, no seven year covenant has been made and no abomination was set up in the temple. These events must have been fulfilled in order for you to make your claim, which they have not. And the "He" referred to three times in Daniel 9:27 is referring to that ruler of the people, the future antichrist, who at the end of the seven years will have the decreed destruction poured out upon him, which is when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age where he and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire alive.

1948 is not the end of the time of the Gentiles. Though the destruction of the temple by Titus and his legions was a terrible event, it will pale in comparison to what is coming. Luke is mixing both the destruction of the temple and future events, which were both future to him.

When the antichrist is revealed by making his seven year covenant with Israel, in the middle of that seven years he will break his covenant causing the sacrifices that Israel will have been performing and will set up that abomination in the holy place, which I personally believe is synonymous with the image that the false prophet has the inhabitants of the world make as described in Revelation 13. At that time and as Paul revealed, the man of lawlessness will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. That did not happen in 70 AD.

As long as you have unfulfilled scriptures, you cannot make the claim that those events have taken place. And since God's word regarding those events must take place, then they must still be fulfilled in the future.
 
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As I previously stated, from the time that Jesus quoted Daniel 9:27, no seven year covenant has been made and no abomination was set up in the temple. These events must have been fulfilled in order for you to make your claim, which they have not. And the "He" referred to three times in Daniel 9:27 is referring to that ruler of the people, the future antichrist, who at the end of the seven years will have the decreed destruction poured out upon him, which is when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age where he and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire alive.

1948 is not the end of the time of the Gentiles. Though the destruction of the temple by Titus and his legions was a terrible event, it will pale in comparison to what is coming. Luke is mixing both the destruction of the temple and future events, which were both future to him.

When the antichrist is revealed by making his seven year covenant with Israel, in the middle of that seven years he will break his covenant causing the sacrifices that Israel will have been performing and will set up that abomination in the holy place, which I personally believe is synonymous with the image that the false prophet has the inhabitants of the world make as described in Revelation 13. At that time and as Paul revealed, the man of lawlessness will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. That did not happen in 70 AD.

As long as you have unfulfilled scriptures, you cannot make the claim that those events have taken place. And since God's word regarding those events must take place, then they must still be fulfilled in the future.

But I do believe in Future Events to come.
I just know from the literal Hebrew Tanakh, the Language which Daniel wrote in, he said the AoD was the End of Daily Sacrifice. The KJV would have us believing something else.
 

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Romans 11:25-27
Rom 11:25 - For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 - And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 - For this is my covenant unto them, when I SHALL (YET FUTURE) take away their sins.
Right.

And Rom11:27 corresponding with Isaiah 27:9,12-13 (which corresponds with Matthew 24:29-31 at the "GREAT trumpet" when THEY [the 'still-living' believing-remnant of Israel, at the END of the future Trib yrs] will be GATHERED into ONE PLACE upon the earth--but they will have come to faith IN / DURING / WITHIN the Trib yrs [FOLLOWING "our Rapture"]... where Matthew 24:29-31 is comparable language to that found in Nehemiah 1:8-9 about their being "SCATTERED" abroad "among the nations" [as they were], not about "going to Heaven" [like via a "rapture" to there]).

I know you are aware I posted about this in Post #19 of this thread: https://christianchat.com/threads/why-daniels-70th-week-must-be-in-the-future.200137/post-4598969




Yeah, and "Jerusalem shall be TRODDEN DOWN OF the Gentiles UNTIL the TIMES of the Gentiles be fulfilled" (Lk21:24) IS NOT YET "COMPLETED" per Revelation 11:2 (its fulfillment / completion awaits the final "42 months"--at the END of THAT, aka at the time of Christ's "RETURN" to the earth Rev19!)


And the "AOD [singular/singular]" of Dan12:11 has not yet occurred (though the one in the earlier part of Dan11 HAS, back in A4E's day ;) )
 
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Romans 11:25-27
Rom 11:25 - For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 - And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 - For this is my covenant unto them, when I SHALL (YET FUTURE) take away their sins.



Who is the Deliverer that takes away ungodliness?
Christ!
Why would you think Paul is speaking FUTURE here when he is explaining that Christ fulfilled Verses 26 and 27?
 

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^ Pay att'n to the rest of the text:

"28 For as regards the gospel, they are enemies on account of you; but as regards election, beloved on account of the patriarchs [/fathers]. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."
 

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Absolutely

Sadly. That’s not your side. I take it for what it says. Not for what I want it to say

I hate these type of responses. Let’s just stick to the word ok?
Then, surely you must agree that - in these verses:

Matthew 24:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

~ verse 30 is referring to the Second Coming of Christ

~ verse 31 is referring to the Rapture

~ all of that transpires after the end of the tribulation mentioned in verse 29

Because, that is what it says...

simple elegant uncomplicated truth
 
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^ Pay att'n to the rest of the text:

"28 For as regards the gospel, they are enemies on account of you; but as regards election, beloved on account of the patriarchs [/fathers]. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."


^
Does not Matter.
Paul is clearly speaking about the [PAST]

The Deliverer comes from Zion
Christ is that Deliverer from Zion
He took away all sins and transgressions
He is the Gospel of that day when Paul is writing this
None of this is FUTURE at all!
 

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Does not Matter.
Paul is clearly speaking about the [PAST]

The Deliverer comes from Zion
Christ is that Deliverer from Zion
He took away all sins and transgressions
He is the Gospel of that day when Paul is writing this
None of this is FUTURE at all!
You clearly did not read the rest of my previous post.

Rom11:27 = Isa27:9,12-13 = Matt24:29-31 (and see, Matthew 24:29-31 not already "fulfilled / completed" yet)


Right now, they are in the "BLINDNESS [/a hardening]... UNTIL" (v.25[15])

(corresponding with a number of other "UNTIL" passages, on the SAME SUBJECT)
 
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You clearly did not read the rest of my previous post.

Rom11:27 = Isa27:9,12-13 = Matt24:29-31 (and see, Matthew 24:29-31 not already "fulfilled / completed" yet)


Right now, they are in the "BLINDNESS [/a hardening]... UNTIL"

(corresponding with a number of other "UNTIL" passages, on the SAME SUBJECT)
No, because MILLIONS of Jews have become Messianic Jews.
So they understand now completely.
Out of all of the Jews remaining 1/3 are Messianic.
So they are no longer Blind or there would be NO JEWS accepting Christ!