Why did JESUS say all manner of sin and >--blasphemy<-- will be forgiven but blasphemy of the HOLY SPIRIT will not be forgiven?
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God did not intend for women to be ruled by men that were due to the fall of men and women. And Jesus said to the Sadducees when they came to trying to trick Jesus about the wife who was married 7 times," who would be her husband in Heaven?"
Jesus said to them you do error in not knowing the word of God.
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? 25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. 26And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? 27He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Jesus said to them you do error in not knowing the word of God.
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? 25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. 26And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? 27He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
You have not presented any evidence that the Devil 'possessed' Eve.
If you mean by 'possessed' that the Devil had ownership of Eve, then there is no evidence of that there. God made the woman. The Devil did not make her. If the Devil made her and he possessed her, why would it have been wrong for her to do his will?
If you mean by 'possessed' that the Devil took over her body like the demons did in the gospels that threw a boy into the fire or into the water, there is no evidence of that either.
I don't think this is 'allegorizing' per se, just drawing unjustified conclusions from evidence that does not support them. You might 'allegorize' demons to mean some sort of lie instead of an actual demon. I'm not sure about that, but that is the impression I get. Some of your posts seem kind of vague.
Jesus cast out demons by the Holy Spirit, as is implied by His question in Matthew 12. His opponents in the passage had accused the Spirit by which He cast out demons of being Beelzebub the prince of demons. It's right there in the passage.
If you mean by 'possessed' that the Devil had ownership of Eve, then there is no evidence of that there. God made the woman. The Devil did not make her. If the Devil made her and he possessed her, why would it have been wrong for her to do his will?
If you mean by 'possessed' that the Devil took over her body like the demons did in the gospels that threw a boy into the fire or into the water, there is no evidence of that either.
I don't think this is 'allegorizing' per se, just drawing unjustified conclusions from evidence that does not support them. You might 'allegorize' demons to mean some sort of lie instead of an actual demon. I'm not sure about that, but that is the impression I get. Some of your posts seem kind of vague.
Jesus cast out demons by the Holy Spirit, as is implied by His question in Matthew 12. His opponents in the passage had accused the Spirit by which He cast out demons of being Beelzebub the prince of demons. It's right there in the passage.
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We have been over this already, Satan possessed her as in owned her and also literally invaded her mind with the demons. Whatever overcomes a man is his master says Peter. The three evil spirit that come out of the mouth of the dragon are the demons. The Devil is always repeating the Three Lies in the scriptures. This then also ties into the subject of the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Who sinned unforgivably and has zero guaranteed chance at salvation? And when and why did this occur?
1cor 11:8-9
8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. This is a post- fall of man context.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. this is the help meet "help, succour"
Nothing of the ruling was ever said until the fall of man. You take the word of God out of context, but if you were correct, God's words and Jesus' words would be more authoritative than Paul's. Paul did not change or give his own opinion Paul knew full well what God men, and when this was done you did not quote verse 11 & 12 why?
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
You can read a passage and imagine facts it does not teach. There is no indication that Satan owned Eve. God made her. If she were Satan's possession, why would it be wrong for her to do his will? Nor does the passage say that he invaded her mind with demons. Whether that happened or not, the Bible does not say. The Bible does not say that a lie is a demon.
Demons are intelligent spiritual entities, beings, not just lies. They aren't metaphors.
He did not say Satan has ownership rights. Paul wrote about being a slave to sin. Jesus spoke about that. But that doesn't mean God gave over ownership of people to Satan. Those who serve sin are doing so wrongly, and should be serving God.
Read it. It says they are demons. It doesn't say they are ideas. This is in Revleation 16. The demons work miracles in that passage. It doesn't call then 'the three lies.'
In Matthew 12, whoever speaks a word against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this age nor in the age to come. He was talking to those who accused the Spirit by which He cast out demons of being Beelzebub. Why don't you stick with what the passage clearly teaches, rather than trying to drag in a very iffy esoteric loose interpretation of another passage into it as some sort of exegetical key to unlock the passage?
Demons are intelligent spiritual entities, beings, not just lies. They aren't metaphors.
He did not say Satan has ownership rights. Paul wrote about being a slave to sin. Jesus spoke about that. But that doesn't mean God gave over ownership of people to Satan. Those who serve sin are doing so wrongly, and should be serving God.
Read it. It says they are demons. It doesn't say they are ideas. This is in Revleation 16. The demons work miracles in that passage. It doesn't call then 'the three lies.'
In Matthew 12, whoever speaks a word against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this age nor in the age to come. He was talking to those who accused the Spirit by which He cast out demons of being Beelzebub. Why don't you stick with what the passage clearly teaches, rather than trying to drag in a very iffy esoteric loose interpretation of another passage into it as some sort of exegetical key to unlock the passage?
It is wrong for her to do Satan's will because for one it is contrary to God's will, and then for two Satan is an inferior creature originally in comparison to mankind if you remember that God had given man dominion over all the animals and the earth. The original order of authority before the fall was God --> Man --> Woman --> Animals. So, it's a big script-flip that Satan pulls off via the Three Lies the flip the correct order God originally laid out totally into the inverse with himself as the head of his spiritual kingdom, the kingdom of evil.
You say spiritual entity, well what does the word spirit even mean? The Three Lies are the demons, it's their source at the very least of it. As for Beelzebub, that's a big give away because there is no entity named Beelzebub, it's a lie, it's a former idol of a foreign people. None of the pagan gods actually exist, they're all lies. Don't you notice that Jesus does not even talk about Beelzebub, it's the Pharisees that believed in Beelzebub, not Jesus. Who does Jesus start speaking about when this foolish accusation is made against him? Well, he starts talking about Satan, who also happens to be the one character in the whole Bible that is certifiably unforgiveably cursed and damned.
You say spiritual entity, well what does the word spirit even mean? The Three Lies are the demons, it's their source at the very least of it. As for Beelzebub, that's a big give away because there is no entity named Beelzebub, it's a lie, it's a former idol of a foreign people. None of the pagan gods actually exist, they're all lies. Don't you notice that Jesus does not even talk about Beelzebub, it's the Pharisees that believed in Beelzebub, not Jesus. Who does Jesus start speaking about when this foolish accusation is made against him? Well, he starts talking about Satan, who also happens to be the one character in the whole Bible that is certifiably unforgiveably cursed and damned.
Paul says they that sacrifice to idols sacrifice to demons and not to God. Deuteronomy 32 told how Israel would worship shedim. Paul wrote though there be that are called gods in heaven and on earth, to us there is but one God.
Christ's opponents said that He cast out demons by Beelzebub and he told them that if Satan cast out Satan how shall then his kingdom stand? Who is Baalzebub then.
You do not believe the Holy Spirit is merely words do you. Angels are spirits? You think tgey are words spoken by a created being? What about your own spirit.
Angels can think, speak and do things, demons can think, speak through people they demonize and drive them to do things.
Christ's opponents said that He cast out demons by Beelzebub and he told them that if Satan cast out Satan how shall then his kingdom stand? Who is Baalzebub then.
You do not believe the Holy Spirit is merely words do you. Angels are spirits? You think tgey are words spoken by a created being? What about your own spirit.
Angels can think, speak and do things, demons can think, speak through people they demonize and drive them to do things.
Right I posted that. The Bible also says the idols are lies, as I also posted one portion saying that, and there are others of course.
Baalzebub is a lie. Satan is the father of lies. The Three Lies specifically which Satan told in the Garden are his unforgiveable sin and where all lies come from. This is the demon's origins and also their being created by Satan forging the lies by breaking his spirit would be the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
I do not believe that the Holy Spirit is the Word because I believe Jesus is the Word, very literally the Word of God, which was formed of the Holy Spirit in the womb of the Virgin Bride to come and kill that evil old dragon Satan. Though there is this distinction I believe that the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit are one God that my spirit must testify.
Baalzebub is a lie. Satan is the father of lies. The Three Lies specifically which Satan told in the Garden are his unforgiveable sin and where all lies come from. This is the demon's origins and also their being created by Satan forging the lies by breaking his spirit would be the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
I do not believe that the Holy Spirit is the Word because I believe Jesus is the Word, very literally the Word of God, which was formed of the Holy Spirit in the womb of the Virgin Bride to come and kill that evil old dragon Satan. Though there is this distinction I believe that the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit are one God that my spirit must testify.
Not wrong, for that is why the woman was created, being for the man, and not the man created for the woman. Created is the operative word here where we know, that, as it also matches the Genesis account, to be before the fall. In relation to the original sin and the fall and the original sin being the blasphemy of the holy spirit, consider that by the Three Lies, that the serpent inverted the true order by getting the woman to obey him first and then give the fruit to the man.
From reading the New Testament, we see that demons can inhabit people's bodies, drive them to harm themselves. They could talk to Jesus, all Him the Holy One of God. They could say they are legion for they are many. If you tell a lie, can that lie make decisions, wonder around, inhabit people, think, and do things? No it cannot.
In the Bible we see God is the Creator. I do not see where the Bible specifically says where God created the demons. He created the heavens by His word and the hosts thereof by the breath of His mouth. He created the earth. Do you have any evidence that Satan created demons? Demons may speaks lies, but they are not lies.
You also assert that Beelzebub is not real. Where does the scripture teach this? Elijah confronted the kings messengers with a message for the king, asking is there not a God in Israel that he would consult with Baalzebub the god of Ekron. Paul says that though there be that are called gods in heavens and on earth, to us there is but one God. He does not say that there is nothing behind paganism, but rather that he did not want them to sacrifice to idols lest they should have fellowship with demons.
On the one hand, you seem to hold to some materialist ideas about the spiritual realm. On the other hand, you are using this almost mystiscal-sounding esoteric wonky allegoristic approach to the Bible.
Jesus was talking to human beings when He warned about blaspheming the Holy Spirit. The topic was not the fall of Satan. Mark even tells us the reason He gave the warning was because they had said that He had an unclean spirit. That was the reason, not all this three lies in the garden of Eden rational you present. Jesus indicated that He cast out demons by the Spirit of God, but they were saying He did it by an unclean spirit. So what were they saying about the Holy Spirit? What were they calling the Holy Spirit? In Matthew, we see that they were saying He cast out demons by Beelzebub, when the Spirit He was actually doing it by was the Holy Spirit. So what were they calling the Holy Spirit? This makes perfect sense because it doesn't require redefining 'blasphemy' into something else that does not mean 'blasphemy.' Also the wording there about no forgiveness for the one who speaks a word against the Spirit not being forgiven makes sense.
In the Bible we see God is the Creator. I do not see where the Bible specifically says where God created the demons. He created the heavens by His word and the hosts thereof by the breath of His mouth. He created the earth. Do you have any evidence that Satan created demons? Demons may speaks lies, but they are not lies.
You also assert that Beelzebub is not real. Where does the scripture teach this? Elijah confronted the kings messengers with a message for the king, asking is there not a God in Israel that he would consult with Baalzebub the god of Ekron. Paul says that though there be that are called gods in heavens and on earth, to us there is but one God. He does not say that there is nothing behind paganism, but rather that he did not want them to sacrifice to idols lest they should have fellowship with demons.
On the one hand, you seem to hold to some materialist ideas about the spiritual realm. On the other hand, you are using this almost mystiscal-sounding esoteric wonky allegoristic approach to the Bible.
Jesus was talking to human beings when He warned about blaspheming the Holy Spirit. The topic was not the fall of Satan. Mark even tells us the reason He gave the warning was because they had said that He had an unclean spirit. That was the reason, not all this three lies in the garden of Eden rational you present. Jesus indicated that He cast out demons by the Spirit of God, but they were saying He did it by an unclean spirit. So what were they saying about the Holy Spirit? What were they calling the Holy Spirit? In Matthew, we see that they were saying He cast out demons by Beelzebub, when the Spirit He was actually doing it by was the Holy Spirit. So what were they calling the Holy Spirit? This makes perfect sense because it doesn't require redefining 'blasphemy' into something else that does not mean 'blasphemy.' Also the wording there about no forgiveness for the one who speaks a word against the Spirit not being forgiven makes sense.
the woman is and was created with the breath of life in her as a man. she dies just as a man does. She repents and comes to the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ women have eternal life no less than a man who is saved. Women have the Holy Spirit just as a man does no less or more.
Nothing you provided supports your understanding of the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which you have taken other scriptures out of context to go down this rabbit hole from the thread's talking point.
Nothing you provided supports your understanding of the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which you have taken other scriptures out of context to go down this rabbit hole from the thread's talking point.
It's simple. Those doctrines that call Jesus a liar.
Arrogant damned people, not actually saved in Christ because they disbelieve his Gospel in preferring their own. Crafting their own ideal god-spell and selling it in Jesus name.
That's Blasphemy!
Joel Osteen. A humanist materialist liar. He invents stories,lies, to insert into his speeches as that which proves God pays us to love him.
Osteens wife is worse than he is.
John Gray,Hagey, Meyer, Hinn and his wife, Paula White, Copeland, Duplantis, Jerry Savelle, Creflo Dollar. Dollar has walked back his tithe sermonizing of late. Apologizing as it were. Now he's reworked that money scheme into a new rhetoric. May be because he was arrested in June for assaulting his little girl.
He thinks he can buy God, why not a better image?
Then theres the Crouch clan, Joseph Prince, Mark Barclay, and Pat Robertson. Reportedly the richest televangelist in America.
Worldly riches. Until the judgement.
Arrogant damned people, not actually saved in Christ because they disbelieve his Gospel in preferring their own. Crafting their own ideal god-spell and selling it in Jesus name.
That's Blasphemy!
Joel Osteen. A humanist materialist liar. He invents stories,lies, to insert into his speeches as that which proves God pays us to love him.
Osteens wife is worse than he is.
John Gray,Hagey, Meyer, Hinn and his wife, Paula White, Copeland, Duplantis, Jerry Savelle, Creflo Dollar. Dollar has walked back his tithe sermonizing of late. Apologizing as it were. Now he's reworked that money scheme into a new rhetoric. May be because he was arrested in June for assaulting his little girl.
He thinks he can buy God, why not a better image?
Then theres the Crouch clan, Joseph Prince, Mark Barclay, and Pat Robertson. Reportedly the richest televangelist in America.
Worldly riches. Until the judgement.