Why did the Lord send us the law?

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Dino246

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It seems absolutely unreasonable to me how those who accept the forgiveness of the Lord through Christ, then insist Christ tells them they can ignore anything God tells them about living with Christ within.
That's your ridiculous misinterpretation of what others say.

You can't quote anyone who says those things, because nobody says them, yet you continually claim that others say such things. It's sad that you cannot accept correction.
 

Platosgal

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Good question

To my eyes thr LAW according to Moses is unlike any other governing concept before
True fairness, letting slaves go for instance, healthy diet instructions, a city of refuge, etc
It is so interesting to see that in comparison to Gentile "laws"in of the time it is more clear, fair, and just
As if to say -this us how human society should be ( but can't)

It's interesting
 

Blik

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That's your ridiculous misinterpretation of what others say.

You can't quote anyone who says those things, because nobody says them, yet you continually claim that others say such things. It's sad that you cannot accept correction.
You say the law is given to Israel, not to us, and that is ridiculous. The law is for mankind, God has never told gentiles they are excluded from His truths. It was from the beginning, part of our world that the Lord created.

The world was in existence for 2,000 years before the flood. Do you think mankind had no law all during this time, also?
 

Dino246

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You say the law is given to Israel, not to us, and that is ridiculous. The law is for mankind, God has never told gentiles they are excluded from His truths. It was from the beginning, part of our world that the Lord created.

The world was in existence for 2,000 years before the flood. Do you think mankind had no law all during this time, also?
Once again you assume things at which I have not even hinted. You aren't interested in learning, so carry on with your silly game.
 

Blik

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Once again you assume things at which I have not even hinted. You aren't interested in learning, so carry on with your silly game.
I think you are the one playing games that are not only silly but ridiculous. You keep repeating over and over that the Lord is speaking to Israel, and when I call you on it you answer with more of your games.

Your game seems to be how you are wise, smart, and know it all and I know nothing!
 

Dino246

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I think you are the one playing games that are not only silly but ridiculous. You keep repeating over and over that the Lord is speaking to Israel, and when I call you on it you answer with more of your games.

Your game seems to be how you are wise, smart, and know it all and I know nothing!
Have it your way. I'm done.
 

Evmur

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Are you saying that because we have grace we may not listen to the law? Is being guided by the law mixing it up with Grace?

It seems absolutely unreasonable to me how those who accept the forgiveness of the Lord through Christ, then insist Christ tells them they can ignore anything God tells them about living with Christ within. It is almost like preaching that God did had nothing to do with inspiring the 119th Psalm.
That is not at all what I am saying but righteousness nor sanctification comes from obeying the law, neither do we "stay" saved by obeying the law. Nor shall we lose our salvation by transgressing the law.

Here's what Peter said when certain Jews tried to insist that the Gentiles obey Moses

"why are you putting God to the test by putting the yoke of the law upon the Gentiles? since neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear it." James wrote a letter to the Gentiles exonerating them from having to keep the law of Moses. Acts 15.
 

Blade

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As I look at it....He set them free after 400 years and as you read we find He meet all their needs yet they kept crying. So something changed when they got to the MTN :) All that God commands us we can do it! Then it changed. Christ fulfilled the law. Now its all about Christ.. grace so forth so on. A new commandment.. we love each other AS He has loved us.

The law was mans ability.. now its GODS ability. Read again everything that happen to Israel before they reached the MTN then read what happen after. As long as we keep fighting with our own strength.. He can't help. Only when we surrender do we then need a savior. He has not changed.. He always wanted to be number one. Always wanted to be their only king.
 

Blik

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That is not at all what I am saying but righteousness nor sanctification comes from obeying the law, neither do we "stay" saved by obeying the law. Nor shall we lose our salvation by transgressing the law.

Here's what Peter said when certain Jews tried to insist that the Gentiles obey Moses

"why are you putting God to the test by putting the yoke of the law upon the Gentiles? since neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear it." James wrote a letter to the Gentiles exonerating them from having to keep the law of Moses. Acts 15.
Of course, this is an eternal basic truth of the Lord., Only the Lord is Holy, we are not, and only the Lord can give forgiveness. There is absolutely no question about this truth.

The problem is the taunting that is given to people who are saved by faith, and do not want to be disobedient They want to obey the law, and I object to posters stating that anyone who wants to obey the law, who repent, are putting themselves under the law. They accuse of that if you want to obey you can not try for obedience for any reason except putting yourself under law for salvation. That is something that simply does not go with obeying because Christ saved, or with repenting of sin.

It can be compared with being accused of being atheist and believing your don't need Christ. I object to being accused of such based on my repentance of sin.
 

Blik

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Christ fulfilled the law. Now its all about Christ.. grace so forth so on. A new commandment.. we love each other AS He has loved us.
It has ALWAYS been about Christ. For about 4,000 years it was the shadow of Christ, and now Christ fulfilled all that was told of that shadow. It was Christ who made that accurate shadow of Him.

If you will study scripture, using your concordance, you will find that it is God who gave grace. Salvation according to eternal law (old and new testament) has never happened through the word of mere men, it takes a holy God to give salvation. Moses and all the saints who slept were preserved in sleep and made alive in Christ.
 

Nehemiah6

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I object to posters stating that anyone who wants to obey the law, who repent, are putting themselves under the law.
But that is the truth. And because no one can obey the Law, Christ came to FULFIL the Law. And in the absence of the temple in Jerusalem, you would be making a mockery of obeying the Law, since a large part of it pertains to the temple.
 

Magenta

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Why you get that out of Ahwatukee's posts when he has said nothing of the sort is beyond belief.
She does it much of the time, hypocritically judging others while crying about being judged, continually misinterpreting and/or misrepresenting what others say and believe, falsely accusing, and contradicting herself all over the place. There is something very seriously wrong with her.
 

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We in the Body of Christ are saved apart from the Law, we are neither in the Old nor New, we are saved by being in Christ's body.
What does it mean to be in Christ body? And if we are not under any law, why do we need to repent and seek forgiveness for sin? Why does the scripture say we deceive ourselves if we say we have no sin? Or is it only jews that need to repent?
 

Blik

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But that is the truth. And because no one can obey the Law, Christ came to FULFIL the Law. And in the absence of the temple in Jerusalem, you would be making a mockery of obeying the Law, since a large part of it pertains to the temple.
What is your concept of how Christ fulfilled the law? Some say that Christ didn't fulfill it at all, He ended it making all that is said of the law in Psalm 119 cancelled by the lord, erasing that Psalm from scripture. Others say Christ fulfilled every word spoken of Him in the old testament.

I know there are some things that are complete and ended because the purpose of something is fulfilled. However, the purpose of the law is to guide us to Christ, for one thing. That purpose is still useful. A purpose of the law is to guide us away from sin, and to say we are so perfect we don't sin or need guidance would be very wrong.

God told us that He gave us the law because we all have sin. I don't think that God takes back His desire for us to repent of sin because we would be kidding ourselves if we say we don't have any. There is no verse that refutes this, but I don't think this is a reason not to give our will over to the Lord. If we do that, we must will not to sin.

If we say we give our will to Christ and will not to sin is NOT saying we are without sin.
 

Dino246

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What is your concept of how Christ fulfilled the law? Some say that Christ didn't fulfill it at all, He ended it making all that is said of the law in Psalm 119 cancelled by the lord, erasing that Psalm from scripture.
Hogwash and codswollop. Quote anyone who says that.
 
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What does it mean to be in Christ body? And if we are not under any law, why do we need to repent and seek forgiveness for sin? Why does the scripture say we deceive ourselves if we say we have no sin? Or is it only jews that need to repent?
We need to believe that Christ died for our sins and rose again on the 3rd day, (1 Cor 15:1-4).

Once we do, we are automatically born into the Body of Christ.

This is something God the Father grants us, thru pure grace alone, and not thru any covenants, old nor new.
 

GiveThanks

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We need to believe that Christ died for our sins and rose again on the 3rd day, (1 Cor 15:1-4).

Once we do, we are automatically born into the Body of Christ.

This is something God the Father grants us, thru pure grace alone, and not thru any covenants, old nor new.
And we have to repent also. Is that not so?

The grace of God is apart of the new covenant. We did not see in Moses law where Moses said they are saved by grace.
 
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And we have to repent also. Is that not so?

The grace of God is apart of the new covenant. We did not see in Moses law where Moses said they are saved by grace.
When you put your faith in Christ's finished work on the cross, it is synonymous with repenting, as stated in this picture on the left hand side

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Repentance means change of minds. You are repenting from using your own works to be reconciled with God and putting your faith in Christ's work on the cross instead.
 

GiveThanks

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When you put your faith in Christ's finished work on the cross, it is synonymous with repenting, as stated in this picture on the left hand side

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Repentance means change of minds. You are repenting from using your own works to be reconciled with God and putting your faith in Christ's work on the cross instead.
How can a sinner change his mind from using their own work to be reconcilled with God when the sinner did not know God nor was he trying to reconcile with God?