Why didn’t Jesus ever say anything about the grace of God?

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Sagart

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Why didn’t Jesus ever say anything about the grace of God?
 

trofimus

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How do you know?

The more precise question would be - why do not the authors of gospels mention the word "grace".

I would say - because their goal is to give us a record about Jesus and his life.
 

Sagart

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How do you know?

The more precise question would be - why do not the authors of gospels mention the word "grace".

I would say - because their goal is to give us a record about Jesus and his life.
Although the writers of the synoptic gospel never used the word in their gospels, John used it three times—but never in reference to salvation. In the “record about Jesus and his life,” He never used the word. Therefore, the ‘gospel of Christ’ has nothing at all to do with grace. Indeed, when he was asked by men what they must do to “inherit eternal life”, He replied,

Mark 10:19. “You know the commandments, ‘DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, Do not defraud, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.’”
20. And he said to Him, “Teacher, I have kept all these things from my youth up.”
21. Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

Luke 10:26. And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?”
27. And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.”
28. And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”

However, Paul wrote,

Eph. 2:98. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9. not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Did Paul teach a different gospel?
 

trofimus

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Although the writers of the synoptic gospel never used the word in their gospels, John used it three times—but never in reference to salvation. In the “record about Jesus and his life,” He never used the word. Therefore, the ‘gospel of Christ’ has nothing at all to do with grace. Indeed, when he was asked by men what they must do to “inherit eternal life”, He replied,

Mark 10:19. “You know the commandments, ‘DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, Do not defraud, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.’”
20. And he said to Him, “Teacher, I have kept all these things from my youth up.”
21. Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

Luke 10:26. And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?”
27. And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.”
28. And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”

However, Paul wrote,

Eph. 2:98. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9. not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Did Paul teach a different gospel?
You are right, John used the word grace.

Which is a response to your question - no, Paul did not teach a different gospel, John is a proof and a bridge between "technical" records of Jesus life by synoptic authors and "theological" implications given in the letters of Paul.
 

Hizikyah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]
 

Sagart

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John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
These verses say nothing at all about grace or inheriting eternal life—so what is their relevance to this thread?
 

BenFTW

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That is a funny statement! He didn't have to say anything about it because He showed it by His actions. His death and resurrection for us was an act of mercy by God on our behalf, a salvation and atonement we were/are completely unworthy of. We are saved by grace through faith.

His life is a representation of God's grace. Who earned their healing from Jesus? What of the five thousand fed with multiplied food? How about when Jesus allowed a woman caught in adultery to not be stoned and didn't condemn her? The ear restored of the soldier (that got cut off)? Most importantly here, what of His death upon the cross?

[video=youtube;RwX_EpNR4CA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwX_EpNR4CA[/video]
 
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The Only way man would be able to Inherit life eternal was to be perfecly righteous of his own strength after Adams fall and I mean perfect even In his thoughts and we know that only JESUS was able to be perfect according to the law.

JESUS had mercy on all who needed help but the demands of the law required death.The death of JESUS on the cross satisfied the demand of death by the law or GOD's perfect standard of righteousness and this death of JESUS on the cross was an atonement for all who had sinned and now faith Is the Issue.

This Is GRACE for all who believe In the WORD of GOD.

We now have access to this GRACE through faith.
 

OneFaith

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Why didn’t Jesus ever say anything about the grace of God?


He might not have said the word ‘grace’, but many things He said meant grace. But grace did not actually come about until Christ purchased His church with His blood- which leaves only a tiny window of opportunity before His accention, to say the actual word.
 

posthuman

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Why didn’t Jesus ever say anything about the grace of God?
He is the grace of God, the embodiment of His mercy, God Himself graciously dwelling among us, forgiving our sin and blessing all who call on His name. so He was, and is saying things about His grace all the time!

"I have called you friends"
 

Stunnedbygrace

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Why didn’t Jesus ever say anything about the grace of God?
Grace means...kindness. I sort of always just replace the word grace with kindness and mercifulness as I read it.

Jesus spoke a lot about the kindness and care God has for us. Like...that we are not to worry about food, money, because God knows what we need and will see to our care. So we don't need to have that burden of worry that unbelievers have but only need to trust what He promised about this.

He didn't use the word grace or kindness, but being set free from that burden of worry IS kindness to us. It IS grace.

For instance, I could tell you it is cold and rainy. I didn't mention the word "weather" but I still talked about the weather. Could you then say I never mentioned weather?

Good morning, by the way! I don't think I've met you yet!;)
 
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That is a funny statement! He didn't have to say anything about it because He showed it by His actions. His death and resurrection for us was an act of mercy by God on our behalf, a salvation and atonement we were/are completely unworthy of. We are saved by grace through faith.

His life is a representation of God's grace. Who earned their healing from Jesus? What of the five thousand fed with multiplied food? How about when Jesus allowed a woman caught in adultery to not be stoned and didn't condemn her? The ear restored of the soldier (that got cut off)? Most importantly here, what of His death upon the cross?

[video=youtube;RwX_EpNR4CA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwX_EpNR4CA[/video]

Amen. The word grace as the result of Christ’s work of faith is implied in many ways. Grace is the reward of the Christ’s work of faith according to His three day labor of Love. . It teaches us to say no the ungodliness, freely giving us a living hope beyond human hope (the imaginations of ones own heart) that will not disappoint us.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Tit 2:11

By grace we watch for his appearing.

If we would try and separate the work of Christ, from the faith of Christ we lose the grace of God .

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. ohn 1:14

I think for instance in respect to the question below in Luke.

Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Because we cannot separate the work of Christ’s faith ....that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure from grace .
The verse could be paraphrased in this way

I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find grace on the earth?

The law of faith looking to the unseen spirit of the word provides the grace of God.The letter of the law kills. We can see that grace working in the heart of the Old testament saints

1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

The Spirit of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God is the Spirit of grace as it is written above. It (the grace of Christ) testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
 

John146

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John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

He lived it out. Jesus was the fulfillment of grace.
 
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This whole premise is ignorant......JESUS inspired the men who penned the word and the whole bible is soaked in and reeks of grace................even during a time frame when the LAW demanded death and an eye for an eye we see slivers of grace and what was to come in Christ.

David committed adultery and murder with Bathsheba and Uriah.....under the LAW he should have been put to death....He was not only preemptively forgiven by GOD, but was also SPARED death and the INNOCENT SON of DAVID (A PICTURE OF JESUS) paid the price in his stead.....

JESUS, thou SON of DAVID have mercy one me cried the man as JESUS entered Jerusalem.....
 

Marcelo

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Why didn’t Jesus ever say anything about the grace of God?
Jesus did talk about grace. Yes, He did that after the cross through His spokesman: Paul
 

p_rehbein

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Every time Christ told people He WAS THE ONLY WAY to Salvation, and that HE came to suffer and die for the sins of man, and HAD THE POWER to forgive the sins of man,

HE SPOKE OF THE GRACE OF GOD.

What the heck do you think Gods Grace IS?

Oh, I see, a legalist...........He didn't specifically USE the word grace, so He NEVER spoke of it.........

good grief.............
 

p_rehbein

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Jesus IS GOD.............when He told the woman "Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more" THAT WAS HIS GRACE IN ACTION.............

So many examples of Him revealing His Grace to man when He was here on earth........
 

DJ2

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How do you know?

The more precise question would be - why do not the authors of gospels mention the word "grace".

I would say - because their goal is to give us a record about Jesus and his life.
I believe the OP has a valid point. It is not just the issue of not using the word but the concept of what we understand grace to mean, the unmerited favor of God. It would seem that the gospels would ooze grace from every page but it does not. Yes, the underlining of grace is there but much of the gospels speaks of the call for faith and obedience. Much of His parables and beatitudes focus on our proper response to God and not the unearned favor that is grace.
 

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Although the writers of the synoptic gospel never used the word in their gospels, John used it three times—but never in reference to salvation. In the “record about Jesus and his life,” He never used the word. Therefore, the ‘gospel of Christ’ has nothing at all to do with grace. Indeed, when he was asked by men what they must do to “inherit eternal life”, He replied,

Mark 10:19. “You know the commandments, ‘DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, Do not defraud, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.’”
20. And he said to Him, “Teacher, I have kept all these things from my youth up.”
21. Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

Luke 10:26. And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?”
27. And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.”
28. And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”

However, Paul wrote,

Eph. 2:98. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9. not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Did Paul teach a different gospel?
Jesus was telling the rich man that you CAN inherit eternal life through the Law. The only problem is that since NO ONE can keep the whole Law no one can inherit the Kingdom by saying they kept it. The rich man DID NOT keep the whole Law.

The "Gospel" is the good news that SOMEBODY DID obey the whole Law, and because of His obedience we are able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven because the Blood of His perfect Sacrifice covers us if we accept His Gospel.

So what is His Gospel then?
God became flesh in the form of a human being, conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin woman, was crucified, died for our transgressions, and rose to life on the 3rd day.
Confess that with your mouth, believe that in your heart, and YOU WILL BE SAVED.
 
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Jesus did talk about grace. Yes, He did that after the cross through His spokesman: Paul
If that was true .How did the old testament saints receive the end of their faith, as the salvation of their soul?

I would offer it has nothing to do with Paul.

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.1Pe 1:9

The gospel is not a new testament principle it governs both.