Why didn’t Jesus know?

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Roughsoul1991

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But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Matthew 24:36


Saw this question and I thought it was interesting. If Jesus is omniscience(Being God), why didn’t He know the time or day of His return?

Thoughts/opinions?
I believe it has something to do with he was made lower than the angels for that time in which even though he was fully God, he was also fully man. He had not yet sat at the right hand of God.
 

John146

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#42
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Matthew 24:36


Saw this question and I thought it was interesting. If Jesus is omniscience(Being God), why didn’t He know the time or day of His return?

Thoughts/opinions?
Jesus learned many things throughout the course of his life. The book of Hebrews explains.
 

posthuman

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I believe it has something to do with he was made lower than the angels for that time in which even though he was fully God, he was also fully man. He had not yet sat at the right hand of God.
we're 'made a little lower than the angels' too ((Ps. 8:5)) -- yet we will be their judges ((1 Cor. 6:3))

IMO this is speaking positionally, not ontologically. He was born under the law ((Gal. 4:4)) and the law was administered by angels ((Acts 7:53)) - so in being born in the flesh, He humbled Himself and was made positionally lower than them, subject to authority, a servant ((Matt. 20:28))
 

posthuman

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If I think of his birth it’s possible he didn’t know anything of who he was and had to learn of himself all by himself first.
that would just be indicative of His human brain, not necessarily His mind. not categorically of Him; His being
these bodies are like vehicles, which our souls drive. they have break-in periods, and they have need of repair, but they are not the sum of who we are.
i may see someone driving a car with burnt-out lights and broken suspension -- but the driver herself is whole, and fit.
i may see someone handicapped and disabled, but their vehicle is brand-new and top-of-the-line.
so the way i look at this, is that the man Jesus grew, wisely and honorably, in His flesh - yet never without the fullness of the Godhead dwelling in Him bodily.

He set aside His glory, which He has had eternally, at the right hand of the Father, and humbled Himself, coming meekly to dwell among us and call out a Bride. meekness does not indicate lack of power - it indicates that one indeed does have power, but restrains themselves.
 

posthuman

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We have an understanding of that, but doubters and skeptics use these verses to state Jesus was not God incarnate.
We don’t give attention to them do we?
brothers, sometimes we are 'them'
we think He was ignorant and worried. we look at Him on the cross and think He is confused, delirious, doubting and frightened, to be pitied and felt sorry for, rather than held in awe :(
 

Roughsoul1991

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we're 'made a little lower than the angels' too ((Ps. 8:5)) -- yet we will be their judges ((1 Cor. 6:3))

IMO this is speaking positionally, not ontologically. He was born under the law ((Gal. 4:4)) and the law was administered by angels ((Acts 7:53)) - so in being born in the flesh, He humbled Himself and was made positionally lower than them, subject to authority, a servant ((Matt. 20:28))
How do you know?
 

posthuman

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Yet looking around while people watched him look around would seem silly if he knew. that would be like pretending to not know in front of people.

Mark 5
32But He kept looking around to see who had done this.
like the Father in the parable of the prodigal sons - waiting & looking for His child to come home to Him
 

JaumeJ

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Jesus came to have the titles mention in iSAIAH 9;7. aMONG THOSE TITLES is containe Everlasting Father………….…….reat it! It is God's Word and it is true.
 

Aerials1978

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this is how scripture says each man is tempted:

every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
(James 1:14)
so taking that position would be saying Jesus lusted.
if i put that together with what He preaches in the sermon on the mount, would this position further be saying that He sinned in His heart?


IMO Jesus was 'tested' by Satan, not 'tempted'
the word in Hebrews 4:15 (('
. . . in every way, just as we are, yet without sin')) means also to prove, to attempt or try, to test - and it is the same word in Matthew 4, Mark 1, Luke 4. it's the same word here:

When Jesus then lifted up His eyes, and saw a great company come unto Him, He saith unto Philip,
whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?
And this He said to prove him: for He himself knew what He would do.
(John 6:5-6)
you wouldn't say Jesus was 'tempting' Philip, would you?
but Satan did not ken Who he dealt with, and tested Him, probing to find fault, to arouse lust and cause Him to sin, if it were possible.


and @JamOn Jesus isn't telling a 'white lie' by asking Philip this either, even though He knows the answer full well. it shows how that God asks questions, just like 'where are you?' to Adam & Woman in the garden, He knows the answer, but He is asking in order to demonstrate something of those He is asking. the woman who reached out to touch the hem of His robe, who in the crowd took any notice of her? but when He put the question - then everyone did.

Whoever shuts their ears to the cry of the poor will also cry out and not be answered
(Proverbs 21:13)
Christ was teaching. saving. opening the eyes of the blind.



not for her. He could have turned to her and asked her directly if she touched Him.
and not for Him - Jesus Christ is never not God. He knows.
this is for the sake of everyone else that heard Him say it
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin.
Hebrews 4:15

Of course He was tempted as scripture tells us. To deny that would be to deny His humanity.
 

Aerials1978

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Jesus learned many things throughout the course of his life. The book of Hebrews explains.
Hebrews is starting to become my favorite book as it deals not only Jesus’s nature as man and God, but also the roots Jesus had in Judaism.
 

posthuman

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For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin.
Hebrews 4:15

Of course He was tempted as scripture tells us. To deny that would be to deny His humanity.
Is it a necessary facet of a human that his heart is full of lust?

Is a being not human because they do not lust?
 

Aerials1978

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Is it a necessary facet of a human that his heart is full of lust?

Is a being not human because they do not lust?
The writer of Hebrews states He was attempted in every way. Did He have lust in His heart? No. Was he tempted by lust? I’m sure He was. Again, Jesus was fully human.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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He didn't know and he didn't reveal everything because one doesn't give all the information away to the enemy. :cool:
God must be the best strategic planner there ever was.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Because in the flesh this information is not available.
 

John146

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Hebrews is starting to become my favorite book as it deals not only Jesus’s nature as man and God, but also the roots Jesus had in Judaism.
Can you imagine the God of the universe, the Creator, learning what it's like to be human, to experience the frailty of living in a body of flesh.
 
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brothers, sometimes we are 'them'
we think He was ignorant and worried. we look at Him on the cross and think He is confused, delirious, doubting and frightened, to be pitied and felt sorry for, rather than held in awe :(
Well IMO he experienced all that with all the same feelings as any other human. God didn’t leave out some feelings of the human emotions
 

Aerials1978

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Can you imagine the God of the universe, the Creator, learning what it's like to be human, to experience the frailty of living in a body of flesh.
I cannot even begin to ponder that.
 

posthuman

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Did He have lust in His heart? No.
When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.
(James 1:13-14)

  • God cannot be tempted
  • God does not tempt
  • temptation is the enticing of one's own evil desires a.k.a. lusts