Why Do Charismatics Tend To Be CharisMANIACS?

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your heart motivation is wrong above anything else.

Charismatic sand Pentecostals both agree that the initial evidence of the the baptism of the Holy Spirit is tongues.
 

DJ2

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your heart motivation is wrong above anything else.

Charismatic sand Pentecostals both agree that the initial evidence of the the baptism of the Holy Spirit is tongues.
But what is the evidence that the "tongues" are real?
 
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Wrong again hero.

The Romans 12 grace gifts are different than the 9 Gifts of the Holy Spirit in 1 Cor 12, which are not grace given, but distributed severally as the Holy Spirit wills.

Again, stop attacking if you are not going to get your focus/facts right. Your proving you are only out to spread a root of bitterness you are entwined with.

I just love it when someone tries to educate Full Gospel believers on things they don't believe!
How am I wrong? "charisma" is in 1 Cor 12:4
 
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your heart motivation is wrong above anything else.

Charismatic sand Pentecostals both agree that the initial evidence of the the baptism of the Holy Spirit is tongues.
Charismatics believe that toungues does not have to be the initial evidence.
 
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I didn't read it. Was answering you only. What do you believe?
It doesn't matter what I believe. The point is that I am being attacked as though I have a bad heart and my thread has no merit. I provided proof of my main claim here of the Charismatic heterodoxy using that article as one example. If you think my thread lacks credibility then prove me wrong. Now is your opportunity.
 
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But what is the evidence that the "tongues" are real?
ask someone else, I do not Veblen that tongues is the evidence of being Spirit filled. I believe love being shed abroad in our hearts and the power to witness are.
 
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Sorry but you are wrong.
No, I am not:

The second is the belief that the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is separate from both salvation and water baptism. Both of these primary beliefs are characteristic of the Pentecostal movement as well, but are less dogmatically held by Charismatics. Many Charismatics, while they may experience "speaking in tongues," may not view this as being the Pentecostal phenomenon of Spirit Baptism.

https://www.theopedia.com/charismatic
 

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It doesn't matter what I believe. The point is that I am being attacked as though I have a bad heart and my thread has no merit. I provided proof of my main claim here of the Charismatic heterodoxy using that article as one example. If you think my thread lacks credibility then prove me wrong. Now is your opportunity.
It is not that your thread is wrong but that the subject in question in a very emotional issue with does who believe they have been given a supernatural gift from God.
 
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It is not that your thread is wrong but that the subject in question in a very emotional issue with does who believe they have been given a supernatural gift from God.
My subject is about Charismatics preference for false doctrines and why do they prefer them if they are born again?
 
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DJ2

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ask someone else, I do not Veblen that tongues is the evidence of being Spirit filled. I believe love being shed abroad in our hearts and the power to witness are.
Different subject but same problem. If "love" and "power" are evidence, what is the yardstick to be used to measure against. Whether "tongues", "love" or "power" without a basis to know what is real or counterfeit it is a moot issue.
 

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You have the right to think wrong. The fact of the matter is that what defines Charismatics is their departure from the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.
Here is how to prove me wrong. Prove that Christian demon possession was a teaching of Jesus and the Apostles?
https://www.charismamag.com/anniver...88-john-eckhardt-can-a-christian-have-a-demon
Then explain where Charisma Magazine is wrong?
I could easily pick this article apart, but I don't see the point. I think it is mostly hogwash. I don't believe darkness can exist in the light, therefore a true Holy Spirit-filled Christian cannot be possessed under normal circumstances. If Jesus taught "Christian demon possession" I am completely unaware of it. I've never seen it in any version of the Bible.

My old church, which I described in earlier posts as charismatic-leaning Pentecostal, taught no such thing that I know of. They taught other highly questionable things that required a certain amount of twisting of the Word to convince folks of its legitimacy, some things I would dare say borders on witchcraft. They held private gatherings that were not open to the congregation in general, which were not administrative in nature, so I can only speculate from that and rumors and other things I saw (and I hate rumors with a passion).

They had a manual entitled "Advanced Spiritual Gifts", which was in 2 parts, of which I saw part 1 only. It included lessons on speaking in tongues, prophesying, praying in the Spirit, faith healing, street preaching (how to put on "The Show"). I don't recall if ever they were challenged scripturally, but they seemed to be able to back up what they did with scripture; it just seemed all too much questionable to me, so I left after 2 years. But again, this was not a totally all-the-way-out-there charismatic church. I play in a touring Christian band and we won't play at one.
 
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I could easily pick this article apart, but I don't see the point. I think it is mostly hogwash. I don't believe darkness can exist in the light, therefore a true Holy Spirit-filled Christian cannot be possessed under normal circumstances. If Jesus taught "Christian demon possession" I am completely unaware of it. I've never seen it in any version of the Bible.

My old church, which I described in earlier posts as charismatic-leaning Pentecostal, taught no such thing that I know of. They taught other highly questionable things that required a certain amount of twisting of the Word to convince folks of its legitimacy, some things I would dare say borders on witchcraft. They held private gatherings that were not open to the congregation in general, which were not administrative in nature, so I can only speculate from that and rumors and other things I saw (and I hate rumors with a passion).

They had a manual entitled "Advanced Spiritual Gifts", which was in 2 parts, of which I saw part 1 only. It included lessons on speaking in tongues, prophesying, praying in the Spirit, faith healing, street preaching (how to put on "The Show"). I don't recall if ever they were challenged scripturally, but they seemed to be able to back up what they did with scripture; it just seemed all too much questionable to me, so I left after 2 years. But again, this was not a totally all-the-way-out-there charismatic church. I play in a touring Christian band and we won't play at one.
I wonder why the Charismatics tenaciously hold on to their false doctrines, some even resorting to personal attacks and shunning family who are critical of the teachings, if they are born again? It seems to me at point the Holy Spirit must be leading them to step away from it.
 

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My subject is about Charismatics preference for false doctrines and why do they prefer them if they are born again?
I'm not convinced they "prefer" false doctrines. I don't know what their doctrines are, officially, let alone what they "prefer".
 

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I wonder why the Charismatics tenaciously hold on to their false doctrines, some even resorting to personal attacks and shunning family who are critical of the teachings, if they are born again? It seems to me at point the Holy Spirit must be leading them to step away from it.
The Holy Spirit probably does, some folks ignore Him.
 
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I'm not convinced they "prefer" false doctrines. I don't know what their doctrines are, officially, let alone what they "prefer".
I provided one of their doctrines from their flagship publication Charisma Magazine: christian demon possession.
 

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Charismatics just love false doctrines. When I was born again I was able to comprehend the Bible for the first time. I had a hunger to study it. But these people won't. They listen to their "apostles" "prophets" instead. Why do they do that if they are born again?

Big blanket. Not all adhere to what you say is a False doctrine. You have an issue with titles? Apostle, prophets and pastor, they are part of the 5 five ministries are they not? And you do not know the difference of "Classic Pentecostals and Charismatics" . Anyone can be charismatic it is not a denomination it is an experience that identifies with the Gift of the Holy Spirit from the Greek word Charismata .