Why Do Charismatics Tend To Be CharisMANIACS?

[Nehemiah6]

I have been slain in the spirit.

I will not question your experience but I will ask you (or anyone else) to provide a solid Scriptural basis for "being slain in the Spirit". First of all that term does not appear in NT Scriptures, and secondly whenever Jesus or the apostles touched someone, they were lifted up, not thrown down backwards. Those who were overawed in the presence of Christ fell forward on their faces.

The ones who fell backwards had come against Christ to take Him captive but could not do so until He allowed it. As Got Questions says, this experience is "a bizarre counterfeit".

 

[notuptome]

Big blanket. Not all adhere to what you say is a False doctrine. You have an issue with titles? Apostle, prophets and pastor, they are part of the 5 five ministries are they not? And you do not know the difference of "Classic Pentecostals and Charismatics" . Anyone can be charismatic it is not a denomination it is an experience that identifies with the Gift of the Holy Spirit from the Greek word Charismata .

And here I thought it had to do with my bubbly personality, charisma. Enchantingly charming and just plain fun.

Charisma LOL.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I will not question your experience but I will ask you (or anyone else) to provide a solid Scriptural basis for "being slain in the Spirit". First of all that term does not appear in NT Scriptures, and secondly whenever Jesus or the apostles touched someone, they were lifted up, not thrown down backwards. Those who were overawed in the presence of Christ fell forward on their faces.

The ones who fell backwards had come against Christ to take Him captive but could not do so until He allowed it. As Got Questions says, this experience is "a bizarre counterfeit".

https://youtu.be/bhBU_WdSnmc

 

[LightLoveHope]

I have a question about people who are slain in the Spirit.

It is a physiological fact that emotional overload causes people to faint.
All the hallmarks of being slain line up with emotional overload.

And in this I see the problem. Does God only work when people have a strong
emotional encounter, or are they looking for reassurance God is real and falling
to the floor means it is real. This can then develop into a kind of hunting for
authentic deeds rather than finding true spirituality.

Have you ever wondered why God does not move more powerfully?
Because when He does, give it a few years and many have left the faith, because
the experience proved their previous faith was false, and this elation is the real deal.

It is why we need to know real love and victory, and knowledge of God and His word
embedded in our whole being, and then we can walk in His will.

There are enough lunatics who believe their words determine their future to show
they need less supernatural and more life reality.

 

[BillG]

I will not question your experience but I will ask you (or anyone else) to provide a solid Scriptural basis for "being slain in the Spirit". First of all that term does not appear in NT Scriptures, and secondly whenever Jesus or the apostles touched someone, they were lifted up, not thrown down backwards. Those who were overawed in the presence of Christ fell forward on their faces.

The ones who fell backwards had come against Christ to take Him captive but could not do so until He allowed it. As Got Questions says, this experience is "a bizarre counterfeit".

To be honest I can't explain it.
If memory serves me in those days people were positioned to catch people.
So in a sense of was like it's gonna happen.

When I went forward it was actually something to me that I did not seek and was resistant to it.

I just wanted prayer.

So there was no one behind me to catch me.
The guy put his hand on my head and I just fell down.

What I do remember though is that I was fully aware of my thoughts.
I was also fully aware of a peace that came upon me.
I was fully aware enough to pray "God help me, I need you so much"

I went away with peace and reassurance that God actually loved me.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I have a question about people who are slain in the Spirit.

There are enough lunatics who believe their words determine their future to show
they need less supernatural and more life reality.

No you don't have a question. You have a judgement.

 

[BillG]

I have a question about people who are slain in the Spirit.

It is a physiological fact that emotional overload causes people to faint.
All the hallmarks of being slain line up with emotional overload.

And in this I see the problem. Does God only work when people have a strong
emotional encounter, or are they looking for reassurance God is real and falling
to the floor means it is real. This can then develop into a kind of hunting for
authentic deeds rather than finding true spirituality.

Have you ever wondered why God does not move more powerfully?
Because when He does, give it a few years and many have left the faith, because
the experience proved their previous faith was false, and this elation is the real deal.

It is why we need to know real love and victory, and knowledge of God and His word
embedded in our whole being, and then we can walk in His will.

There are enough lunatics who believe their words determine their future to show
they need less supernatural and more life reality.

Semantics.

You post a question, then follow up with a statement.

"It is a"

"And in this I see a problem"

I think I understand your 3rd paragraph.

And I get your 4th paragraph.

 

[wolfwint]

Charismatics just love false doctrines. When I was born again I was able to comprehend the Bible for the first time. I had a hunger to study it. But these people won't. They listen to their "apostles" "prophets" instead. Why do they do that if they are born again?

Easy question with many possible answers. Maby because of deceived from a false spirit ore false teachings. Maby the wish to see and feel God. Maby the wish to live in health and wealth. Maby the wish to call back the time of the apostles. Maby they grown up with this teachings, like I grow up in an name christianity background. I believe many are serious and want follow the Lord.
All this charismatics ore pentecostal teachings today we did not find before 1850 and special before 1900 in the church.I believe that they are deceived from a false spirit. If you see today that this movements you can find in all denominations and in the rcc. That means the Holy Spirit is supporting all the different teachings as well the teachings of the rcc.
I dont believe that. The Holy Spirit shows the truth and is not supporting lies and false teachings.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Easy question with many possible answers. Maby because of deceived from a false spirit ore false teachings. Maby the wish to see and feel God. Maby the wish to live in health and wealth. Maby the wish to call back the time of the apostles. Maby they grown up with this teachings, like I grow up in an name christianity background. I believe many are serious and want follow the Lord.
All this charismatics ore pentecostal teachings today we did not find before 1850 and special before 1900 in the church.I believe that they are deceived from a false spirit. If you see today that this movements you can find in all denominations and in the rcc. That means the Holy Spirit is supporting all the different teachings as well the teachings of the rcc.
I dont believe that. The Holy Spirit shows the truth and is not supporting lies and false teachings.

Thank you for finally being one of only two people to give me a sincere answer.

 

[CS1]

Easy question with many possible answers. Maby because of deceived from a false spirit ore false teachings. Maby the wish to see and feel God. Maby the wish to live in health and wealth. Maby the wish to call back the time of the apostles. Maby they grown up with this teachings, like I grow up in an name christianity background. I believe many are serious and want follow the Lord.
All this charismatics ore pentecostal teachings today we did not find before 1850 and special before 1900 in the church.I believe that they are deceived from a false spirit. If you see today that this movements you can find in all denominations and in the rcc. That means the Holy Spirit is supporting all the different teachings as well the teachings of the rcc.
I dont believe that. The Holy Spirit shows the truth and is not supporting lies and false teachings.

really ? no teaching before 1850? The Book of Acts speaks directly to what is known as the Empowering of the Holy Spirit. The term pentacostels was coined first in the 1900's . however, the expireance in throughout the book of Acts.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

really ? no teaching before 1850? The Book of Acts speaks directly to what is known as the Empowering of the Holy Spirit. The term pentacostels was coined first in the 1900's . however, the expireance in throughout the book of Acts.

Answer: when did the Christian demon possession teaching begin?

 

[DJ2]

Charismatics just love false doctrines. When I was born again I was able to comprehend the Bible for the first time. I had a hunger to study it. But these people won't. They listen to their "apostles" "prophets" instead. Why do they do that if they are born again?

Do not be quick to use blanket statements about whole groups of people being born again. Charismatics are like most, wanting a closer walk with their creator. The main difference is their willingness to accept claims that feed into their hopes and desires instead of searching for the truth no matter where it leads. What charismatics seek are signs that lead to faith, what Christians seek is knowledge that leads of faith.

The seeking of signs leads to the chaos that is common in charismatic groups, the signs themselves ultimately become the object of faith itself. Chaos rules becauses the yardstick to measure what is right or wrong is the current sign of the current prophet. Christians on the other hand seek the path of the Bereans, searching the Word of God for a faith to hold on to, a faith not of sight or signs. They have a standard that does not change, a standard that all can refer to.

You have a hunger to study, they have a hunger to be shown.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Do not be quick to use blanket statements about whole groups of people being born again. Charismatics are like most, wanting a closer walk with their creator. The main difference is their willingness to accept claims that feed into their hopes and desires instead of searching for the truth no matter where it leads. What charismatics seek are signs that lead to faith, what Christians seek is knowledge that leads of faith.

The seeking of signs leads to the chaos that is common in charismatic groups, the signs themselves ultimately become the object of faith itself. Chaos rules becauses the yardstick to measure what is right or wrong is the current sign of the current prophet. Christians on the other hand seek the path of the Bereans, searching the Word of God for a faith to hold on to, a faith not of sight or signs. They have a standard that does not change, a standard that all can refer to.

You have a hunger to study, they have a hunger to be shown.

If I'm using a blanket statement then provide a bonifide Charismatic who refutes any of the heterodox teachings I submitted here?

 

[DJ2]

really ? no teaching before 1850? The Book of Acts speaks directly to what is known as the Empowering of the Holy Spirit. The term pentacostels was coined first in the 1900's . however, the expireance in throughout the book of Acts.

You are quite correct that the term pentecostal was coined in the early 1900's but so was the "experience" that is now being labeled "Holy Spirit Baptism". You cannot rewrite history.

 

[wolfwint]

really ? no teaching before 1850? The Book of Acts speaks directly to what is known as the Empowering of the Holy Spirit. The term pentacostels was coined first in the 1900's . however, the expireance in throughout the book of Acts.

The events we find reportet in acts are different to the teachings we find today ( since 1900). Nowhere it is reportet in the bible that speaking in tongues is an sign to be empowered with the Holy Spirit. If so, then through the churchhistorie till today the most christians ( an i mean not the millions of nominell christians) are not empowered with the Holy Spirit. First the christians since topeka and Azusastreet are, according there teaching, empowered with the Holy Spirit. I believe that every christian who has the Holy Spirit is getting an spirituell gift for to serve the body of Christ. So as i see it presently the charismatic and pentecostal movements working together with the rcc to prepare for the one world religion which we will find during the time of antichrist. Ore how you can explaine that this movements emphazise the love among christians is more worth then the doctrines? I agree love should be the sign others will see in us a christian and doctrines should not seperate us, but not on cost of the revealed truth. Suddenly the RRC which is the world greatest sect works without problem together with pentecosts and have inside their self a big charismatic movement.
In my church the influence from charismatics is growing, not openly, but silent and hidden and everybody who is against it, is out. I doubt that the Spirit who works this is the same who was acting in acts.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The events we find reportet in acts are different to the teachings we find today ( since 1900).

You're right. No matter how well-intentioned, modern tongues (glossolalia) are not the same as Bible tongues (glossais = languages). And if the RCC -- which is a bastion of false doctrine -- can claim to have "Charismatic Renewal" with speaking in tongues, then genuine Christians have to ask themselves how genuine are modern tongues and what is really going on.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Astute, Nehemiah!

 

[DJ2]

If I'm using a blanket statement then provide a bonifide Charismatic who refutes any of the heterodox teachings I submitted here?

I have none to offer you. This is why you should not label them born again. Charismatics are searching but in the wrong places, places that end in chaos.

 

[Depleted]

I have been slain in the spirit.
Only once mind you. When it did happen I wasn't pushed down.
Funny thing was that being slain in the spirit seemed to be the norm and an experience that people wanted.
To be honest when I saw it week in week out.

On the night I went forward I wasn't seeking the experience, I just wanted prayer.

Myself I believe signs and gifts are still for us today.
But I would say when it goes beyond what we see in the N.T. church then it needs to questioned.

I remember after the Toronto movement seeing send weird stuff happening.

As you say, people barking like dogs, and I saw few also lifting an arm up in the air and saying "The Holy Spirit is coming down my arm"

People shaking uncontrollable or in tears I don't have an issue with. But if it's happening all the time, then I have to say I do.

I think we need to test in a sense what is happening in the church.

You mention dancing in the aisles.
Not sure if that's an issue for you.

Yet we know David danced before the Lord.

"Slain in the spirit" is a weird one two me. Two of my family members have been slain -- hubby and Dad. Hubby is a believer. Dad isn't. And really weird because Dad's emotional level is set very low, so he's not the type of guy to join in with the crowd. Because of that, I have no idea what it is. All I know is it doesn't do anything. It just sorta is. But if it doesn't do anything, including bringing Dad to the Lord, what is its purpose? The Lord usually gives us a clue to his purpose eventually. It's been 4 decades since hubby had it happen, and 3 since it happened to Dad. If it was for God's purpose, wouldn't he have clued them in by now for what purpose? Even hubby has no clue why he was slain.

Do you? Other than "it really happened?"

As for dancing in the aisles? David got really excited about the Lord. I mean he was so excited he dropped his drawers and never noticed.

The women I saw in the aisle, seemed more interested in being noticed for their spirituality, because, hey, they're dancing! Truthfully, always looked like a cross between a Jewish dance and a pole dancer. (Kind of strange that women who were never Jewish, suddenly danced as if they were in a production of Fiddler on the Roof. Now, I do get that strippers do come to the Lord, but generally speaking, they repent of their dancing, not embrace it.) Why were they always wearing the same kinds of skirts? (Never saw a woman in trousers or a women in an office-style dress dance "in the spirit." Always flowing midi-skirt with loose blouse.) Why hasn't the Lord have guys dancing in the aisles? And, how is it, no matter where they were at the beginning of service, they always ended up in full view of everyone?

 

[Depleted]

I have a question about people who are slain in the Spirit.

It is a physiological fact that emotional overload causes people to faint.
All the hallmarks of being slain line up with emotional overload.

And in this I see the problem. Does God only work when people have a strong
emotional encounter, or are they looking for reassurance God is real and falling
to the floor means it is real. This can then develop into a kind of hunting for
authentic deeds rather than finding true spirituality.

Have you ever wondered why God does not move more powerfully?
Because when He does, give it a few years and many have left the faith, because
the experience proved their previous faith was false, and this elation is the real deal.

It is why we need to know real love and victory, and knowledge of God and His word
embedded in our whole being, and then we can walk in His will.

There are enough lunatics who believe their words determine their future to show
they need less supernatural and more life reality.

My dad is OCD, an alcoholic, and makes Sheldon Cooper in Big Bang Theory seem like he has great social skills. (Love him dearly, but he's not your average father.) If someone gave him a billion dollars, guaranteed him three weeks of fishing twice a summer in Canada, including a helicopter ride that would only make the trip 2 hours, (instead of ten), and a wife who would really be thrilled to cater to all his needs without him ever needing to be concerned with her, (basically my dad's version of being handed everything he could want out of life), he would smile, and shake that person's hand. That's it. No bigger emotion out of him. So, he really isn't emotional, and yet he was slain in the spirit.

And he wasn't a Christian before he was slain or hasn't become one since. (It amused him, because he can't figure out what happened either. Something like volunteering for a magic trick, have it happen to you, and still couldn't figure out the secret.) So it's not an emotional reaction. And I don't think it's a spiritual reaction.

No idea what it is.