Why Do Charismatics Tend To Be CharisMANIACS?

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really ? no teaching before 1850? The Book of Acts speaks directly to what is known as the Empowering of the Holy Spirit. The term Pentecostal was coined first in the 1900's . however, the experience in throughout the book of Acts.

I've never seen a group of Charismatics cloister themselves away for weeks just to pray. I've never seen a closed window room suddenly get windy. I've never seen tongues of fire over people's head, and I most certainly haven't seen all that cause those people to run out into the streets, start speaking in a multitude of tongues and others understand then and convert right there.

I have never see that same group leave immediately out into other nearby towns and start preaching there, with incredible conversion rates. I haven't seen the government come to kill them, I haven't seen the government kill any Christian, (It happens, but no sign they were Charismatic), and I most definitely have not seen an angel release a man out of prison who was condemned to death, and watched but two guards, but they just walked on by.

If you have seen what happened in Acts happening somewhere now, where is that? That was some mighty shocking stuff happening then.

 

[Lancelot]

"Re: Why Do Charismatics Tend To Be CharisMANIACS?"

This is what we refer to as a loaded question, a question with a false or unsubstantiated assumption. I'm a Charismatic, and I have an aversion to fanaticism, and I know plenty of similar Charismatics. Certainly there are Charismatics who are given to fanaticism, but I wouldn't say that they're the majority.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

"Re: Why Do Charismatics Tend To Be CharisMANIACS?"

This is what we refer to as a loaded question, a question with a false or unsubstantiated assumption. I'm a Charismatic, and I have an aversion to fanaticism, and I know plenty of similar Charismatics. Certainly there are Charismatics who are given to fanaticism, but I wouldn't say that they're the majority.

Care to address my actual argument?

 

[notuptome]

really ? no teaching before 1850? The Book of Acts speaks directly to what is known as the Empowering of the Holy Spirit. The term pentacostels was coined first in the 1900's . however, the expireance in throughout the book of Acts.

The validity of this belief ranks right up there with the RCC claim that Peter was the first pope and that they have a continuous chain of succession from Peter to the present.

The presence of tongues is Acts served a very specific purpose which cannot be established in the modern NT church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[mailmandan]

The validity of this belief ranks right up there with the RCC claim that Peter was the first pope and that they have a continuous chain of succession from Peter to the present.

The presence of tongues is Acts served a very specific purpose which cannot be established in the modern NT church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I have a friend who attends the Assemblies of God church and someone from his church leads a small group Bible study at his home in which my friend attended and at times, he said the small group leader would speak in tongues. My friend invited his co-worker (who is Baptist) and was skeptical about the gift of tongues for today (but was curious to witness it for herself) to the small group and she was reluctant to go at first, but was curious and agreed to attend one night.

As soon as my friend and his Baptist co-worker walked into the house, the small group leader threw his arms up in the air and began speaking in tongues very loudly, then fell straight back on the floor. My friend said even he was freaked out by what just happened and when he looked back, his co-worker was running to her car like she was being chased by a pit bull!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To be honest I can't explain it.
If memory serves me in those days people were positioned to catch people.
So in a sense of was like it's gonna happen.

When I went forward it was actually something to me that I did not seek and was resistant to it.

I just wanted prayer.

So there was no one behind me to catch me.
The guy put his hand on my head and I just fell down.

What I do remember though is that I was fully aware of my thoughts.
I was also fully aware of a peace that came upon me.
I was fully aware enough to pray "God help me, I need you so much"

I went away with peace and reassurance that God actually loved me.

The power of touch is amazing. Unless people have an aversion to being touched or held. The power of a person taughing you, while even praying for you, is pretty high, I can understand why you went away in peace.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No you don't have a question. You have a judgement.

If that person is who many think he is, He has a habit of doing that, He has done that to many times, I think he thinks it is normal. Or ok for him to do.

If he has a question he needs to ask it, Not follow up with an attack or judgment (like he did here calling people lunatics) and then expect to get an answer.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have none to offer you. This is why you should not label them born again. Charismatics are searching but in the wrong places, places that end in chaos.

Here we have another person labeling a group of people as unsaved. It never ends..Who died and made these people God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The validity of this belief ranks right up there with the RCC claim that Peter was the first pope and that they have a continuous chain of succession from Peter to the present.

The presence of tongues is Acts served a very specific purpose which cannot be established in the modern NT church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

If one remembers, in both instances where baptism of the spirit and tongues were mentioned. SOmething major had happened.

in the first instance, The group of people in the room were given power. And this powerful event helped to give them boldness to carry on, where as before, they did not know what would happen. And probably scared.

in the second event, peter, Who had a history of failure to believe God would save gentiles. Was given. A sign he could not refute. As he said, If God gave the GIFT of the HS to gentiles to. Who was he to argue. If these gentiles did not show these gifts. Chances are peter would have never believed they were saved. He would not mention about any argument, unless he was bound to make one to begin with.

Again, Not Saying God does or can not use tongues today, He can do whatever he wants. The issue is, What purpose would he use them for. That is where the disagreement comes I think.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Here we have another person labeling a group of people as unsaved. It never ends..Who died and made these people God?

I question if people are really saved who follow Charismatic false doctrines:

Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons.
1 Timothy 4:1 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/1ti.4.1.NLT

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have a friend who attends the Assemblies of God church and someone from his church leads a small group Bible study at his home in which my friend attended and at times, he said the small group leader would speak in tongues. My friend invited his co-worker (who is Baptist) and was skeptical about the gift of tongues for today (but was curious to witness it for herself) to the small group and she was reluctant to go at first, but was curious and agreed to attend one night.

As soon as my friend and his Baptist co-worker walked into the house, the small group leader threw his arms up in the air and began speaking in tongues very loudly, then fell straight back on the floor. My friend said even he was freaked out by what just happened and when he looked back, his co-worker was running to her car like she was being chased by a pit bull!

that sounds more demonic, they Holy Spirit led to me

My parents spent years trying to talk my aunt into combing to Christ, She would always say she will some day but is not read. Eventually, A friend led her to a tongue speaking church. After awhile She was worried, because everyone could speak in tongues but her, in fact, she was emberassed. So one day she made some stuff up and starting acting like the rest of the people. The pastor (unknowing that she was facing) gave an interpretation of what she said, She walked out and never returned.

I can only pray she is in heaven today, I will nto know until I get there (I do not know the gospel her church taught. Or whether she accepted the gospel her parents and my parents shared with her for years)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I question if people are really saved who follow Charismatic false doctrines:

Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons.
1 Timothy 4:1 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/1ti.4.1.NLT

I question if people who follow pagan Rome (catholic/orthodox) are saved, But I would not judge them and claim they are all unsaved. Or say all Catholics/orthodox people are unsaved, and evil. That would be me playing God, and that is not right. Not to mention, I know I would be wrong. I have known a few people who are came to christ, yet still attend the Catholic Church for whatever reason.

WHat people do in their church does not determine if they are saved or not. What they believe concerning the gospel is what saves a person.

To judge a person based solely on what they do in church is just plain wrong.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I question if people who follow pagan Rome (catholic/orthodox) is saved, But I would not judge them and claim they are all unsaved. That would be me playing God, and that is not right.

WHat people do in their church does not determine if they are saved or not. What they believ concernign the gospel is what saves on unsaved a person. To judge a person based solely on what they do in church is just plain wrong.

Not according to Paul. He goes on in that same passage talking about marriage and food not about the Gospel message:

These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead. They will say it is wrong to be married and wrong to eat certain foods. But God created those foods to be eaten with thanks by faithful people who know the truth. Since everything God created is good, we should not reject any of it but receive it with thanks. For we know it is made acceptable by the word of God and prayer.
1 Timothy 4:2*-‬5 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/1ti.4.2-5.NLT

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not according to Paul. He goes on in that same passage talking about marriage and food not about the Gospel message:

These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead. They will say it is wrong to be married and wrong to eat certain foods. But God created those foods to be eaten with thanks by faithful people who know the truth. Since everything God created is good, we should not reject any of it but receive it with thanks. For we know it is made acceptable by the word of God and prayer.
1 Timothy 4:2*-‬5 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/1ti.4.2-5.NLT

You forgot in 1 Corinthians, where paul told the Corinthian church (who were babes in christ, and were struggling with sexual sin) that people who do these sins will not partake int he kingdom. And that they were also amoung those people. But that they stopped doing those sins, repented and moved on.

Oh wait. No he did nto say this, he said they were washed, they were sanctified and they were justified in the name of Jesus.

You need to stop judging their gospel (you have not even told us you know what their gospel is) and worry about your own gospel my friend.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

You forgot in 1 Corinthians, where paul told the Corinthian church (who were babes in christ, and were struggling with sexual sin) that people who do these sins will not partake int he kingdom. And that they were also amoung those people. But that they stopped doing those sins, repented and moved on.

Oh wait. No he did nto say this, he said they were washed, they were sanctified and they were justified in the name of Jesus.

You need to stop judging their gospel (you have not even told us you know what their gospel is) and worry about your own gospel my friend.

Quote that because you are not reading it correctly. Paul said they were (past tense) not are (present tense) like that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Quote that because you are not reading it correctly. Paul said they were (past tense) not are (present tense) like that.

1. Again, He did not say they stopped their sin
2. Read the book of Corinthians, one of his discussion againsat them was that they were still struggling in sexual sin. Even to th point they thought it wears perfectly fine for a man to be having sex with his fathers wife.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

1. Again, He did not say they stopped their sin
2. Read the book of Corinthians, one of his discussion againsat them was that they were still struggling in sexual sin. Even to th point they thought it wears perfectly fine for a man to be having sex with his fathers wife.

He doesn't say to them "you ARE".

"And that is what some of you were..."
1 Corinthians 6:11 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/1co.6.11.NIV

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He doesn't say to them "you ARE".

"And that is what some of you were..."
1 Corinthians 6:11 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/1co.6.11.NIV

Why would he tell them they ARE in a state of not being part of the kingdom when it is not true?


He does not say they stopped. He said they were washed.

Are you going to ignore the rest of the book because of one word.

He told them they WERE, Because they WERE washed, WERE sanctified, WERE justified. Their cleansing had taken place in the past. So they who WERE not a part of the kingdom. Now are.

Yet again, If you read the rest of the book. They WERE still babes in christ, not able to eat meant,. They WERE still struggling with sexua sin. They WERE still sinners.

But I know. You do not believe in eternal security, You believe we have to save ourself. So it makes sense why you will ignore everything else said and focus on one word.

 

[garee]

And he wasn't a Christian before he was slain or hasn't become one since. (It amused him, because he can't figure out what happened either. Something like volunteering for a magic trick, have it happen to you, and still couldn't figure out the secret.) So it's not an emotional reaction. And I don't think it's a spiritual reaction..

No such thing as a spiritual gift that one can wear outwardly as evidence God is working. We walk by faith the unseen.

I don’t think a person will find the idea of a sign and gift working as one in the same context. They simply do not work together. Signs that men seek after are those who rebel and add to prophecy .Prophecy the revealing of the will of God for those who believe (no sign)

If the moving of the spirit prompts someone to do something (make a sound or fall back ec). We can be sure it is after the wrong manner of spirit .So it’s not that is not spiritual but after the wrong manner of spirit.

The Bible defines falling back as those under the judgement of God.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Why would he tell them they ARE in a state of not being part of the kingdom when it is not true?


He does not say they stopped. He said they were washed.

Are you going to ignore the rest of the book because of one word.

He told them they WERE, Because they WERE washed, WERE sanctified, WERE justified. Their cleansing had taken place in the past. So they who WERE not a part of the kingdom. Now are.

Yet again, If you read the rest of the book. They WERE still babes in christ, not able to eat meant,. They WERE still struggling with sexua sin. They WERE still sinners.

But I know. You do not believe in eternal security, You believe we have to save ourself. So it makes sense why you will ignore everything else said and focus on one word.

Every word is inspired by God. You shouldn't ignore it because it messes up your eternal security philosophy.