Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

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Icedaisey: Concordances are not perfect and Translaters r in high position and sometimes even an enemy of god.Mans old nature cannot understand.
 
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Runningman saidI respected your opinions up until you called me a psychopath. That's disgraceful for you to say.DID NOT only said they don't understand idioms
You didn't directly state that I'm a psychopath, but you're being passive aggressive about it in order to maintain plausible deniability when I confront you. Be a man and just admit you called me a psychopath. By the way, I am not offended by any of the attacks on my character, not that you were worried about that.

For your reference, here's your own words;

"Runningman: psychopath don't understand idioms ""they have no rest day or night?"I hope your playing dumb!"
 

1ofthem

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Is there a Scripture verse explicitly saying Adam died spiritually? :unsure:
Respectfully:
Gen. 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

His spirit died that day, not his body...he didn't face physical death for hundreds of years after that day.

We also know that we must be born again and.... that is the spirit that must be born again.... or we will remain spiritually dead.

If we remain spiritually dead (separated from God) at judgment then we will face the 2nd death (eternal separation from God).
 

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Respectfully:
Gen. 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

His spirit died that day, not his body...he didn't face physical death for hundreds of years after that day.

We also know that we must be born again and.... that is the spirit that must be born again.... or we will remain spiritually dead.

If we remain spiritually dead (separated from God) at judgment then we will face the 2nd death (eternal separation from God).
That does not answer the question asked.
 

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I have noticed its mostly people only believe in KJV only that fall in the trap of a burning hell forever.
 

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This whole Body soul spirit thing was made up by pagan teachings.

No, it comes from the bible.

1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

laymen

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So you talk down to me and act all condescending until I post the scriptures....now you get your feelings hurt.

This is silly.

God's ways are equal and fair. He gives everyone a chance and Jesus spent a lot of time warning on the upcoming judgment and everlasting punishment of God.

It is what it is.
No feeling hurt. Are you one of those KJV Only people if so that might enplane your understanding of hell.
 

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And they have no rest day or night....That is not referring to smoke.

If they were annihilated then they would have rest, but they don't have any rest day or night forever and ever.
The no rest is a reference to when they take mark of beast, not when they are cast into the lake of fire. We are told the wicked will be consumed into smoke which means they are annihilated.

Psa_37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Some people teach this isn't going to happen.
 

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No, it comes from the bible.

1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Generally the bible seems to speak of twofold divison in man, either body or soul or body and spirit Mat 10:28, Rom 8:10; 1cor5:3;7:34

By "Spirit" "Pneuma" Rom 8:16 speaking of the intelligence and thought

By "soul" psuchē Matt. 10:28) When distinguished from spirit may be understood that part of a mans nature that find expression through emotions and desires
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By "body" (sōma) Is the flesh and blood and bones
 

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Generally the bible seems to speak of twofold divison in man, either body or soul or body and spirit Mat 10:28, Rom 8:10; 1cor5:3;7:34

Not all three are always mentioned but man is 3 parts, body, soul and spirit.
 

ewq1938

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Who you trying to convince? Me or yourself.
Obviously you and other readers. I already understand man is body, soul and spirit.

1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Man isn't only two parts as you believe.
 

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That does not answer the question asked.
Yes, it does. We know that Adam's spirit died that day and that is the first death recorded in scripture....Spiritual death.
 

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The no rest is a reference to when they take mark of beast, not when they are cast into the lake of fire. We are told the wicked will be consumed into smoke which means they are annihilated.

Psa_37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Some people teach this isn't going to happen.
Ok, I've not considered this verse. I will go back and read all of Psalm 37 to see what it is talking about there.
 

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Obviously you and other readers. I already understand man is body, soul and spirit.

1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Man isn't only two parts as you believe.

The study of Death is very important. It leads to a understanding of Gods character first and foremost. Second it can give you a understanding of prophecy , if you do not understand Gods character then you can not understand the Book of Revelation which is The Revelation of Jesus Christ him self.

Here in 1 Th 5:23 Is a good example that God sanctify the psuchē his emotions and his "soma" flesh and pneuma mind.
 

1ofthem

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No feeling hurt. Are you one of those KJV Only people if so that might enplane your understanding of hell.
No, I'm not a King James only...I read a few different...But KJV is probably the best. It is more concise and seems to follow along more closely with the original texts.

I don't like any of the newer translations. They seem to change words and meanings around to try to uphold newer doctrines.

Let me guess....You're into the NIV or some newer version.
 

ewq1938

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Yes, it does. We know that Adam's spirit died that day and that is the first death recorded in scripture....Spiritual death.
Well, actually zero scriptures refer to Adam's spirit being dead or that he suffered a "spiritual death". What we do know is that God said death would happen the day someone ate of that fruit so a death did occur but scripture does not name it or explain further.

We also know Adam did not physically die so it was a type of death where the person remains physically alive. A body cannot remain alive without a living spirit within them, Jas 2:26, therefore we know that Adam's spirit was still alive as his body was still alive.

This means the type of death was a figurative one. I normally use the term "spiritually dead" to convey that but not to also mean the spirit is literally dead.

Adam was simply symbolically dead in his sin/sins as many people are who are physically alive and have a living soul and spirit.