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Actually the closest translation to the original Hebrew and Greek texts is the NASB. This is the best if you want readable English and grammar while still attempting a word-for-word translation from the original text. If you feel that the Apocrypha should be in your Bible then the RSV is the best for you. Personally I don't want the Apocrypha in my Bible because ancient Jewish tradition didn't include the extra books that the Apocrypha includes in their sacred texts.
It is true that the KJV hasn't changed in a while, but it was translated from Latin(Septuagint) to English. The Septuagint was written when the New Testament was translated from Greek to Latin. The text in the KJV has been filtered through 2 language to language translations. This seems to have added some additional interpretation of the text that isn't found in the original text. However, the NASB was translated directly from the orginal Greek manuscripts found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The fact that the KJV hasn't change doesn't change the fact that it isn't the most accurate Bible translation.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the KJV Bible, I just don't see it as a good study Bible. The KJV doesn't seem to be a good version to study the orginal intended meaning of words and phrases in the text. But I still use and value the KJV for devotional time, since it is a valid translation of the Bible that the Holy Spirit can and does use to edify me.
Blessings!
It is true that the KJV hasn't changed in a while, but it was translated from Latin(Septuagint) to English. The Septuagint was written when the New Testament was translated from Greek to Latin. The text in the KJV has been filtered through 2 language to language translations. This seems to have added some additional interpretation of the text that isn't found in the original text. However, the NASB was translated directly from the orginal Greek manuscripts found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The fact that the KJV hasn't change doesn't change the fact that it isn't the most accurate Bible translation.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the KJV Bible, I just don't see it as a good study Bible. The KJV doesn't seem to be a good version to study the orginal intended meaning of words and phrases in the text. But I still use and value the KJV for devotional time, since it is a valid translation of the Bible that the Holy Spirit can and does use to edify me.
Blessings!
Elijah23 You are taking Paul out of context. Romans 13 :8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law.
If you continue to verse 14 he also says to clothe yourselves with Christ. Romans 13:14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
It would be impossible to clothe yourself with Christ without loving God. Read also the following.
Matt 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
If you continue to verse 14 he also says to clothe yourselves with Christ. Romans 13:14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
It would be impossible to clothe yourself with Christ without loving God. Read also the following.
Matt 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
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As I said, this is a valid stance for the Christian of his chosen sect, but to expect someone else to accept that there is no debate isn't reasonable. Even in mathematics, where we can prove theorems unambiguously on paper, there is argument. Unless you're already an adherent, it isn't clear that Christianity should be exempt from this.
The obvious objection is - there is not just one way to build a house. We've had everything from huts thatched with leaves to hi-tech solar panels and they've all worked to one degree or another. I understand it's just a metaphor, but if you believe it's a good metaphor it demonstrates nothing but what I'm saying - you believe that there is One Roof. That's fine. You're free to believe that there's a perfect way to put on the roof and that all other roofs will eventually collapse and kill the occupants.
However, you also think that should be equally clear to everyone. If I want to use another type of nail and want to discuss that with you, I'm not interested in the truth. I just want to argue. Because you're holding Bob Vila's "Perfect Roof Book," there is no room for debate.
That's abnormal.
The obvious objection is - there is not just one way to build a house. We've had everything from huts thatched with leaves to hi-tech solar panels and they've all worked to one degree or another. I understand it's just a metaphor, but if you believe it's a good metaphor it demonstrates nothing but what I'm saying - you believe that there is One Roof. That's fine. You're free to believe that there's a perfect way to put on the roof and that all other roofs will eventually collapse and kill the occupants.
However, you also think that should be equally clear to everyone. If I want to use another type of nail and want to discuss that with you, I'm not interested in the truth. I just want to argue. Because you're holding Bob Vila's "Perfect Roof Book," there is no room for debate.
That's abnormal.
Originally Posted by watchmen
I do not see any contradiction here, and yes, the bible is 100% correct.
I do not see any contradiction here, and yes, the bible is 100% correct.
1st John 4
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
God showed His love toward us by sending His Son to die for our sin, we show our love toward God by loving one another. We love God by loving one another therefore to love you neighbor is fulfilling both the 1st and 2nd commandment of Christ Which is to love God and one another.
1st John 4
19 We love him, because he first loved us.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
You see He who love God will love His brother also, so by loving one another we thereby show our love toward God. You see Paul did not contradict Jesus we just need to take the whole council of God's word to understand any of it.
God's word never contradicts itself it is our own human limitations that confuses us.
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It is true that in other parts of his writing, Paul does tell us to love the Lord, but in this verse, he tells us that all we have to do is love one another. (I am copying in the whole paragraph so it doesn’t appear I am taking anything out of context.) Is it not possible to be right one day and wrong another? Why should it matter if Paul was wrong once in a while?
13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! Galatians 5:13-15 NKJV
13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! Galatians 5:13-15 NKJV
Context IS important. Consider the following from Matthew 19:
16 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" 17 "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments." 18 "Which ones?" the man inquired. Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.' " 20 "All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?" 21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." 22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. 23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven
You will notice that Jesus also does not mention loving God. It is implicit that all of the commandments are to be obeyed. Jesus does not have to list all of them for the man to understand that He means ALL of them. When you ask a used car salesman about a car, and he says it has AC, sunroof, premium stereo, ect., he doesn't have to tell you it has an engine and four tires. You already understand that it does. Jesus lists enough commandments that the man knows that He is talking about all of them.
In the same way, Paul's audience already understands that loving God is necessary. They might be less understanding that loving their neighbor is important. Paul is stressing the things that they lack.
As to your other question. As an apostle and having been given the gift of remembrance by the Holy Spirit of all things that Jesus had said concerning the Kingdom of God, ALL things that Paul says that are meant for the edification of the Church MUST be inspired and cannot be in error.
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The Catholic ten commandments:
!. I am the Lord thy God which brought thee out of the land of Egypt. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day.
3. Do not take the name of the Lord your God in Vain.
4. Honour your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultry.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
9. You shall not covet your neighbour's wife.
10. You shall not covet your Neighbour's goods.
What they did was remove the Idle commandment and split the last one into two making ten again.
!. I am the Lord thy God which brought thee out of the land of Egypt. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day.
3. Do not take the name of the Lord your God in Vain.
4. Honour your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultry.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
9. You shall not covet your neighbour's wife.
10. You shall not covet your Neighbour's goods.
What they did was remove the Idle commandment and split the last one into two making ten again.
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1. While I agree that the passage from Revelation specifies that it applies to the book of Revelation, I think it still supports the principle that those who would add or subtract fall under the displeasure of God.
2. This does not mean that there aren't passages that are more difficult to interpret. I have yet to find this difficulty regarding the most basic truths of scripture.
3. The translation issue is a touchy one for three reasons. First, while God's word does not change, our language does. Second, most people are not able to easily understand the English of four hundred years ago. Third, some minor changes may be neccesitated as we receive more information (i.e. manuscripts) in the original language.
2. This does not mean that there aren't passages that are more difficult to interpret. I have yet to find this difficulty regarding the most basic truths of scripture.
3. The translation issue is a touchy one for three reasons. First, while God's word does not change, our language does. Second, most people are not able to easily understand the English of four hundred years ago. Third, some minor changes may be neccesitated as we receive more information (i.e. manuscripts) in the original language.
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