Why do so many Christians end up in Hell?

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TheDivineWatermark

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^ NBD, it doesn't bother me, I just wondered if I missed a comment, or something...

And what about this, from same passage of scripture. Tell me what you believe this is,

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
I can go over more of this later, but for starters, everything in vv.9-12 is what takes place DURING the trib years (and for reasons I stated earlier, I believe "the Church which is His body" will not be present on the earth during that time period... I can go into that more later, if you like):

9 whose coming [that is, 'the man of sin' IN HIS TIME (this is at the START of the [7yr] trib yrs)] is according to the working of Satan, in every power, and in signs, and in wonders of falsehood, 10 and in every deception of wickedness unto those perishing, in return for which they did not receive the love of the truth in order for them to be saved. 11 And because of this, God will send to them a working of delusion, for them to believe what is false [pseudei ], 12 in order that all those not having believed the truth but having delighted in unrighteousness should be judged.
 
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At the end of the day I judge no one and go to bed forgiving those who trespass against me and always praying that God will be merciful to the world. I wish nothing for you but God`s mercy in spite of whatever evil is in your heart towards me.
Lol, keep thinking this
 

RickStudies

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NBD, it doesn't bother me, I just wondered if I missed a comment, or something...



I can go over more of this later, but for starters, everything in vv.9-12 is what takes place DURING the trib years (and for reasons I stated earlier, I believe "the Church which is His body" will not be present on the earth during that time period... I can go into that more later, if you like):

9 whose coming [that is, 'the man of sin' IN HIS TIME (this is at the START of the trib yrs)] is according to the working of Satan, in every power, and in signs, and in wonders of falsehood, 10 and in every deception of wickedness unto those perishing, in return for which they did not receive the love of the truth in order for them to be saved. 11 And because of this, God will send to them a working of delusion, for them to believe what is false, 12 in order that all those not having believed the truth but having delighted in unrighteousness should be judged.
Yeah son, You`d better go over it later. You just opened up a can of worms.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Yeah son, You`d better go over it later. You just opened up a can of worms.
Verse 2 is Paul essentially telling them not to be convinced by anyone telling them "the day of the Lord IS PRESENT" (it wasn't and he tells them WHY this is not so!) [v.15 (the other end of the bracketed section) is him saying, basically, "believe what WE taught you INSTEAD!" ;) ]

V.3 "that day [the time period from the immediately preceding verse!] will not be present if not shall have come The Departure FIRST [ONE THING *FIRST*] and the man of sin be revealed..." [the man of sin is "revealed" at the START of the 7 yr period, not mid-way into it (v.4), and not at the end of it (v.8b)]


"the DOTL" and "IN THAT DAY" refer to SAME (same time period [not 24-hr day])
 

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garee , we are siners because we do sin every day , but with God we are forgiven all we have to do is pray to God and and repent . Then in God's eyes it was as if it never happened .
This is spiritually correct.
 

RickStudies

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You know what?

I believe it

I believe you can not see what you are doing, yet think everyone else does it to you

Thats the sad part of this whole ordeal
Yeah well I reviewed the pages, everything I said was about the Bible. It wasn`t anything personal to anyone. It became personal to an extent once my posts got covered up with the spam.

And you are the one with a bitter heart not me.
 
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Yeah well I reviewed the pages, everything I said was about the Bible. It wasn`t anything personal to anyone. It became personal to an extent once my posts got covered up with the spam.

And you are the one with a bitter heart not me.
Like i said keep thinking that

And i did not expect you to own up to your mistakes, but everyone else can decide.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Like i said keep thinking that

And i did not expect you to own up to your mistakes, but everyone else can decide.
I'm not convinced that he was [at the beginning of his discussion on that topic] saying what it is that you thought he was saying... I think perhaps we should back up, allow him to make his points, and then consider them carefully to see whether or not it was what you thought, or something else entirely... JMHO
 
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I'm not convinced that he was [at the beginning of his discussion on that topic] saying what it is that you thought he was saying... I think perhaps we should back up, allow him to make his points, and then consider them carefully to see whether or not it was what you thought, or something else entirely... JMHO
My point is about his consistent attitude and attacking people who disagree with him my friend. And then crying fowl and blaming everyone else.

If you look back, that is what ended up happening
 

TheDivineWatermark

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My point is about his consistent attitude and attacking people who disagree with him my friend. And then crying fowl and blaming everyone else.

If you look back, that is what ended up happening
What "ended up happening," IMO, wasn't how things "started off happening" … (recall, I was also following along in that thread, that day, and made a few posts myself :) ). So you do not believe him, where he'd stated in this thread in his Post #420,

RickStudies: "I`m my case I said nothing that could be considered a personal attack until I had been abused quite a bit. Even then, my retaliation pales in comparison to what has been said to and about me. Before all that I was just talking Bible."
IMO, it seemed to me that few were willing to try to grasp what his actual points were, in that thread, before going full-on "assumptions" and then "rebutting" of points I'm not even sure he was actually endeavoring to make.

I'm just suggesting we try to consider that, that's all. :)
 

RickStudies

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What "ended up happening," IMO, wasn't how things "started off happening" … (recall, I was also following along in that thread, that day, and made a few posts myself :) ). So you do not believe him, where he'd stated in this thread his Post #420,
It doesn`t matter, in serious debates there are rules designed to keep it all on topic. Here it`s a chaotic free for all, no rules, lot`s of sandbox kiddie tactic. Serious debaters won`t gravitate to a board like this. It was a mistake for me to try and put up topics these people couldn`t handel. All good now. I`m just going to react to whatever is tossed out there. Let chaos reign supreme :alien:
 

Gregoryp

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Your title question is patently ridiculous on several levels.

First, you have no firsthand knowledge of where anyone ends up, so your question is speculative.

Second, your understanding of the concept of "Christian" is suspect at best.

Third, you have titled your first thread with an inflammatory question bordering on heresy, which is a good way to get yourself written off as a self-appointed prophet, whack-job, troll, or otherwise eminently ignorable person.

Maybe next time, don't boldly demonstrate your ignorance of basic Christian theology.

Oh... and welcome to CC.
Thank you , your post saved me from typing much the same thing!
 

Gregoryp

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Excuse me! I stated my opinion backed by the word but hey have it way but someone who repents and turns from sin and is covered under His precious blood WILL NOT BE FOUND ....EVER... IN HELL!
God alone sees every heart,do not THINK TO DIMINISH HIS POWER!. He knows EVERY motivation. I will no longer engage with you,YOU CANNOT TEACH ME THE WAYS OF GOD THAT GO AGAINST SCRIPTURE! If your faith is in youtube,you are in the wrong venue or even OTHERS TESTIMONIES!
Oh, don't get me started on youtube prophets and pastors, faith healers, mega churches lol, I will be sitting here all day!
 

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We all are going through trials at certain points of our life when Satan makes requests of God to swift us and sadly many fall and do not stand up. Is it because they are lukewarm Christians or lacking of faith?
hmm I'm not sure I understand your point contextually. Jesus said in Luke 22:31-34 :

"Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat ", "But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren.”

Christians don't go to hell.