Why Do We Find Soft Tissue in Dinosaur Bones That Are "Millions of Years Old"? - Dr. Kevin Anderson

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cv5

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Young earth creationism (YEC) is an Orthodox Jewish tradition (the OJ year is based on it). There is no obligation for Christians to follow that. "Jew or Nonjew, it matters not" - Paul (Gal 3:28)
Christians are obligated to discern the truth from lies. The universe untold billions of years old is in fact a lie. As is the standard model of fossils and geology.
 
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Christians are obligated to discern the truth from lies. The universe untold billions of years old is in fact a lie. As is the standard model of fossils and geology.
whenever a news story appears about some fossil being discovered, the number of millions of years, is usually different, because people cant agree to the number of years.
millions, or billions of years just doesnt make any sense at all.
 

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Because they're not older than 6000 years old .
 

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Because they're not older than 6000 years old .
My friend that is a common misconception. Please read my earlier posts in the thread and open that link that I provided. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the world has been created at 11,169 BCE (give or take a few years) ACCORDING TO THE TEXT . Usshers chronology is complete rubbish. In fact he used the wrong text to begin with. You must use the "long span" Septuagint.....or a translation that uses the long count, like the KJV. There are excellent scholars who postulate that there are in fact gaps in the genesis patriarch accounts which would push back creation even further.....like 20,000BC. This is only a theory though it does have some very good support Biblically.

Here's something you never knew......very few Bible scholars know either.
The date of the exodus is actually 1603 BC. With only minimal error....maybe a couple of years.
Believe me you've got to dig dig dig and do your due diligence to figure that out.

99.9% of the dates given by modern day Bible scholars are incorrect because they have failed to do their due diligence. The truth is there is 111 missing years in Judges....and every single year is noted in the text. And quite a few other facts which push the date of exodus back to 1603 BC.

Acts 13:20 where Paul says "about 450 years" is actually exactly 448 years. The span and numbers of years and noted in the Biblical text are scrupulously correct without flaw. Absolutely amazing really....breathtaking!

If you have the stomach to read this here it is all laid out without error.....
https://av1611.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1461
 

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Acts 13:20 where Paul says "about 450 years" is actually exactly 448 years. The span and numbers of years and noted in the Biblical text are scrupulously correct without flaw. Absolutely amazing really....breathtaking!
At the risk of sidetracking the thread, what do you make of Genesis 15:16 "in the fourth generation they will return..."?
 

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At the risk of sidetracking the thread, what do you make of Genesis 15:16 "in the fourth generation they will return..."?
That is the key to unlocking the CORRECT algorithm of genealogies versus chronologies.
The Patriarchs were God's mediators lords and judges on the earth. Hebrews would date their calendars by the reginal years of the patriarchs (for example the dating of the flood). The concept here is to SUM the entire lifespan of the patriarchs.

Undoubtedly there were MANY more than 4 father-son generations during the 430 years sojourn.
Nevertheless the Bible only indicates four. God Himself only prophesies four. This is not at all an accident.

Now I do not vouch for every detail of this link. There are errors but they are not that significant. Nevertheless, what the author postulates is absolutely correct. And don't jettison the content because of the reputation of this author. Everybody knows about him so please don't comment.

Usshers chronology is worse than useless. The Masoretic text is erronious, undoubtedly being edited by rabbi Akiva. One must use the only copy we have of the Alexandrian LXX. The date of creation is pushed back to beyond 11,000 BC. Which completely solves the outrageous problem of Abraham being born so soon after the flood.

www.biblemysteries.com/library/adam.htm

Levi: 77 years in Egypt
Kohath: 133 years in Egypt
Amram: 137 years in Egypt
Aaron: 83 years in Egypt
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430 years total time

"Turning now to the Biblical record, we discover the following interesting information in Exodus 12:40-41, "Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years. And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt." God thus shows us clearly that the calendar used to record the passage of time during the Egyptian sojourn was based on the lives of Levi and his descendants, Kohath, Amram, and Aaron. This also explains the prophecy given to Abraham in Genesis 15:13-16, that his descendants would be oppressed 400 years (they were not oppressed during the beginning of their sojourn) in a land that was not theirs, and that they would return to their own land in the fourth generation."
 
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Maybe? My dear friend you haven't read what I have. Here's something you can read for starters...

www.biblemysteries.com/library/adam.htm

There is no doubt in my mind that the correct solution is to SUM the patriarchs ages. With only certain exceptions that are very clear in Scripture. One must also use the Septuagint, as the ages in the Masoretic have been improperly shortened probably by rabbi Akiba.

There are a few are errors in this article......but only about 150 years short. But at any rate it pushes creation back to 11,000 BCE at least. And I have read some very scholarly articles that indicate there may well be gaps. It's plausible that creation could be 20,000 BCE.

At any rate, the common notion that the world is 6000 years old is wrong. In may well be only 12,000ish years old which would be enough time for all observable geologic conditions to have come to pass.

This is [before] God creates man.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

If you notice, man is [Last] to be created in this scenario/he is not created yet.


So, even if the Earth was 100,000 years old. Even if they can count rings in trees, ice, etc and reveal [some] trees are at least 20,000 years old. Dinosaurs could roam, trees, grass, a complete ecosystem in place. Man still is created [Last].

So at Christ's Birth, the world could have very well been 100,000 years old or older. But Adam was only 4,000 years from Christ.
 

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That is the key to unlocking the CORRECT algorithm of genealogies versus chronologies.
The Patriarchs were God's mediators lords and judges on the earth. Hebrews would date their calendars by the reginal years of the patriarchs (for example the dating of the flood). The concept here is to SUM the entire lifespan of the patriarchs.

Undoubtedly there were MANY more than 4 father-son generations during the 430 years sojourn.
Nevertheless the Bible only indicates four. God Himself only prophesies four. This is not at all an accident.

Now I do not vouch for every detail of this link. There are errors but they are not that significant. Nevertheless, what the author postulates is absolutely correct. And don't jettison the content because of the reputation of this author. Everybody knows about him so please don't comment.

Usshers chronology is worse than useless. The Masoretic text is erronious, undoubtedly being edited by rabbi Akiva. One must use the only copy we have of the Alexandrian LXX. The date of creation is pushed back to beyond 11,000 BC. Which completely solves the outrageous problem of Abraham being born so soon after the flood.

www.biblemysteries.com/library/adam.htm

Levi: 77 years in Egypt
Kohath: 133 years in Egypt
Amram: 137 years in Egypt
Aaron: 83 years in Egypt
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430 years total time

"Turning now to the Biblical record, we discover the following interesting information in Exodus 12:40-41, "Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years. And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt." God thus shows us clearly that the calendar used to record the passage of time during the Egyptian sojourn was based on the lives of Levi and his descendants, Kohath, Amram, and Aaron. This also explains the prophecy given to Abraham in Genesis 15:13-16, that his descendants would be oppressed 400 years (they were not oppressed during the beginning of their sojourn) in a land that was not theirs, and that they would return to their own land in the fourth generation."
Thanks. I started digging on this subject, and was stumped by the apparent contradiction. I'll keep digging.
 

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That is the key to unlocking the CORRECT algorithm of genealogies versus chronologies.
The Patriarchs were God's mediators lords and judges on the earth. Hebrews would date their calendars by the reginal years of the patriarchs (for example the dating of the flood). The concept here is to SUM the entire lifespan of the patriarchs.

Undoubtedly there were MANY more than 4 father-son generations during the 430 years sojourn.
Nevertheless the Bible only indicates four. God Himself only prophesies four. This is not at all an accident.

Now I do not vouch for every detail of this link. There are errors but they are not that significant. Nevertheless, what the author postulates is absolutely correct. And don't jettison the content because of the reputation of this author. Everybody knows about him so please don't comment.

Usshers chronology is worse than useless. The Masoretic text is erronious, undoubtedly being edited by rabbi Akiva. One must use the only copy we have of the Alexandrian LXX. The date of creation is pushed back to beyond 11,000 BC. Which completely solves the outrageous problem of Abraham being born so soon after the flood.

www.biblemysteries.com/library/adam.htm

Levi: 77 years in Egypt
Kohath: 133 years in Egypt
Amram: 137 years in Egypt
Aaron: 83 years in Egypt
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430 years total time

"Turning now to the Biblical record, we discover the following interesting information in Exodus 12:40-41, "Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years. And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt." God thus shows us clearly that the calendar used to record the passage of time during the Egyptian sojourn was based on the lives of Levi and his descendants, Kohath, Amram, and Aaron. This also explains the prophecy given to Abraham in Genesis 15:13-16, that his descendants would be oppressed 400 years (they were not oppressed during the beginning of their sojourn) in a land that was not theirs, and that they would return to their own land in the fourth generation."
Since we're on this topic take a look at this link it is quite an eye-opener. Various Hebraisms's and nuances of the text often escape us. When properly addressed it illuminates some of the supposed absurdities in the genealogies and chronologies. Again I don't agree with the author on every point (Shem certainly died MANY hundreds years before Abraham!). But I do think he is probably right as regards Jacob and Joseph.

It is hard work gleaning fields and gathering manna as regards these Biblical dilemmas. Authors can be completely wrong about one thing yet correct on some other points.

www.bibleinsight.com/crn1p4.html
 
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Since we're on this topic take a look at this link it is quite an eye-opener. Various Hebraisms's and nuances of the text often escape us. When properly addressed it illuminates some of the supposed absurdities in the genealogies and chronologies. Again I don't agree with the author on every point (Shem certainly died MANY hundreds years before Abraham!). But I do think he is probably right as regards Jacob and Joseph.

Sounds like the Author is using the Book of Enoch [related to Noah] with Book of Jasher [claiming "When Ten Years Old, Abram goes to Noah and Shem, and lives with them for several years being taught about God back to Adam]. And some genealogies confirm Abraham could have lived with his Grandparent/Great/Great Great parent both Shem and Noah if there are truths to Enoch and Jasher [both found in our own Bible and mentioned].
 

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This is [before] God creates man.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

If you notice, man is [Last] to be created in this scenario/he is not created yet.


So, even if the Earth was 100,000 years old. Even if they can count rings in trees, ice, etc and reveal [some] trees are at least 20,000 years old. Dinosaurs could roam, trees, grass, a complete ecosystem in place. Man still is created [Last].

So at Christ's Birth, the world could have very well been 100,000 years old or older. But Adam was only 4,000 years from Christ.
I disagree. I believe the six day creation is in fact a six day creation. Furthermore you MUST use the LXX translation. Even using Ussher's formula it extends this well beyond 4000 years. The difference is something like 1700 years I forget exactly.

Your problem is that secular archaeologists are not stupid. Indeed they actually can date things with reasonable accuracy. Yes the Sumerian civilization was about 3500BC. Far too early to fit into Usshers chronology. The sphinx and the Giza complex are extremely old. There was a global megalithic super culture around the globe that had enormous structures that have never been equaled. That old civilization is long dead.

My point is that there was a global highly advanced civilization.......before it was all destroyed and out of the ashes came the Egyptians and Sumerians and Babylonians etc. The best estimates are that this occurred somewhere around 10,000 years ago. This could've been the Babel disaster. There is also the Peleg disaster.

The biblical Job is probably Jobab. He predated Abraham by hundreds of years. There is plenty of reason to believe that there were enormous catastrophes in his time. The earth was still highly ionized and highly unstable. Vast electrical activity and volcanism.

Barry Setterfield has some good information here....


Andrew hall is almost certainly correct in his postulates. The often quoted Standard Model of geology is ridiculous. Catastrophism is the rule not the exception.

There was devastating meteorite activity about 9000BC. The evidence is overwhelming and beyond dispute. See the rest of Zamora's videos.

Brian Foerster has some very interesting content. Nonbiblical but you can put the pieces together yourself. And yes there were definitely nonhuman entities whose mummified remains can be readily observed. Check out his theories on ancient highly advanced technology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7mtpxdfOko
 

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Sounds like the Author is using the Book of Enoch [related to Noah] with Book of Jasher [claiming "When Ten Years Old, Abram goes to Noah and Shem, and lives with them for several years being taught about God back to Adam]. And some genealogies confirm Abraham could have lived with his Grandparent/Great/Great Great parent both Shem and Noah if there are truths to Enoch and Jasher [both found in our own Bible and mentioned].
Yes there are a ton of things on that website that I don't agree with. But he did nail down some interesting facts.