Why do we get sick? Coronavirus?

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3angelsmsg

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In our world today and in the science world, even the christian view also. We have separated sin and sickness from each other. The cause for sickness is no longer as result of sin. We have narrowed it down to virus as the cause of sickness. Could this really be the truth? Do we believe scientists above the law of nature and the holy scriptures?

We have stopped to think through information for ourselves, we have come to point in our history where we do not prove things for ourselves any longer. We accept the word of another and run with it. We are daily bombarded with information. Do we know how trustworthy is the information and what measurement can we use to evaluate whether we could trust the information given us. How can we know if the information is truth or error?
 

Dino246

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Firstly, including "coronavirus" in your title is nothing but clickbaiting.

Secondly, where in Scripture does it say that all sickness is directly the result of sin?

Thirdly, do you reject science completely, or do you visit the doctor when you get sick?

Science and faith are not enemies. A proper understanding of Scripture goes hand in hand with a proper understanding of science-based medical practice.
 

Subhumanoidal

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"Sickness is no longer a result of sin" is rather open to interpretation. It could mean "you have sin you aren't dealing with and as a result you're sick". Or it could mean "sin, generally speaking (as in the Fall) results in sickness existing".
If you're suggesting "you're sick because you have unrepentant sin in your life" then I'd say the only people that ever believed that were word of faith types. And also religious and ignorant people.
If you mean that sickness exists because sin exists, I'd say most Christians do believe that.
But to suggest sickness is separate from the natural world and belief in viruses and whatnot is somehow unbiblical, and that believing they exist somehow suggests people's lack of faith is rather ridiculous.

But it's hard to tell what exactly you're getting at as your post was unclear.
 

3angelsmsg

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I would say that 9 of out 10 sicknesses is related to ignorance to the law of nature and sin. If you look to the world, we see that every aspect of life has been inflirated by the enemy (satan). Do you really think that satan would have left science alone? He leaves just enough truth that we won't reject it. And some scientists also believe in evolution? Will you put your trust in the hands of another individual? While Jesus was on the earth did he place his trust in humans or did he understand the nature of men. Jesus always trusted in God.

To be honest, before I became aware of the law of life or understood the laws of nature. I had gone to doctors. But even then, I tried to stay away from doctors as far as I could. I never had confidence in medicine. Medicine has it place to relieve pain and for therapy. But it will not solve the heart issue. As you will learn is that disease and sickness is a heart problem that needs to be destroyed. Jesus came in sinful nature to destroy sin and modelled to us how to do it. Like manner, we as christians should come to an point in our christian experience where we will sin no more. If sickness ought not to be of sin. Satan would have rejoiced because then everybody would have thought they are alright with God and have need of nothing. In the old testament and there are many examples of people getting leprosy. Look at the example of Moses's sister. She sinned and as result got sick. What was the cause for her sickness? Sin? We have a wrong perception of disease and sickness. We think it is punishment of God, but it is grace that we realise that somewhere I have to change what is in my heart.

We as humans we face two difficult challenges because we have unknowledge:
About ourselves
About our structure (body)
About how our body functions and the basic laws of nature.
We are incapable to:
Control ourselves
Our thoughts
Our actions
There are two types of knowledge: Firstly knowledge of the law of nature ~we is evident in nature and nobody has to teach us. You dont need to believe me because you can prove the information for yourself. Like for instance, if I throw a ball up in the air. What will happen? Will the ball stay in the air or will it come down? You see from that illustration you don't need a expert to come and explain to you. If I throw the ball up in the air for a million times, it will come down a million times. Because the law of nature is fixed. Like manner our body structure and function is fixed. God has given laws to govern the universe and He has created our bodies to function a certain way. And many do not know how the body function.
 

3angelsmsg

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What we should understand is that our makeup is made of spirit and chemistry(body). In science, they reject the notion that we are spiritually beings. And in the correct bible view we are made from dust (earth) and God's breathe which makes a living soul. Now as we know that our body have needs right. And the needs of the body are fulfilled by taking food from the earth. And secondly, our body is governed by our spirit. We normally believe that body is governed by the brian. By the law of nature, we see that chemistry(matter) has no power to move itself. The body without the spirit would be dead. Now according to the law of nature. We must a spirit and the spirit gives commands to the body. The body has no choice by to obey what the spirit say. The body has no ability to think. Unlike the spirit has the ability to feel, taste, smell, laugh, etc. The body receives electeicity from the spirit to be moved. Likewise the spirit also have needs.
For example, love, harmony, righteousness, peace, liberty. Like the body takes its food from the earth. The spirit also have to take his needs from a divine source. The spirit needs are fulfilled only by taking from God. As we look to the natural. The spirit takes the food of the earth and give it to the body. The body takes in food and give it to the rest of the body to create energy. From nature we learn of the law of life. Which states: taking in order to give. Everything in nature takes to give. Similarly our spirit also need to bind itself to a love source from where it is taking. But we are unconscious about where our spirit is taking from. The correct source to take from would be God. But because we are ignorant of the law think that we give of ourselves. We think when we love someone that person should give to us. We give in order to receive. But it goes against the law of nature. We are dependent on mother, father, spouse, children and pets to give us love. We do not see that we are taking from the wrong source. And the wrong source will never satisfy our spiritual needs. Thus in turn the spirit gives wrong impulses to the body and in turn to lets the body get sick. Most of causes of disease comes from a spiritual lack or where our spirit is broken and needs to be restored in order that our body may function 100% healthy.
 

Sipsey

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What we should understand is that our makeup is made of spirit and chemistry(body). In science, they reject the notion that we are spiritually beings. And in the correct bible view we are made from dust (earth) and God's breathe which makes a living soul. Now as we know that our body have needs right. And the needs of the body are fulfilled by taking food from the earth. And secondly, our body is governed by our spirit. We normally believe that body is governed by the brian. By the law of nature, we see that chemistry(matter) has no power to move itself. The body without the spirit would be dead. Now according to the law of nature. We must a spirit and the spirit gives commands to the body. The body has no choice by to obey what the spirit say. The body has no ability to think. Unlike the spirit has the ability to feel, taste, smell, laugh, etc. The body receives electeicity from the spirit to be moved. Likewise the spirit also have needs.
For example, love, harmony, righteousness, peace, liberty. Like the body takes its food from the earth. The spirit also have to take his needs from a divine source. The spirit needs are fulfilled only by taking from God. As we look to the natural. The spirit takes the food of the earth and give it to the body. The body takes in food and give it to the rest of the body to create energy. From nature we learn of the law of life. Which states: taking in order to give. Everything in nature takes to give. Similarly our spirit also need to bind itself to a love source from where it is taking. But we are unconscious about where our spirit is taking from. The correct source to take from would be God. But because we are ignorant of the law think that we give of ourselves. We think when we love someone that person should give to us. We give in order to receive. But it goes against the law of nature. We are dependent on mother, father, spouse, children and pets to give us love. We do not see that we are taking from the wrong source. And the wrong source will never satisfy our spiritual needs. Thus in turn the spirit gives wrong impulses to the body and in turn to lets the body get sick. Most of causes of disease comes from a spiritual lack or where our spirit is broken and needs to be restored in order that our body may function 100% healthy.
According to your way of thinking, who’s sin is at fault when a baby dies of cancer?
Also, what did Jesus reply to His Apostles when they asked Him whose sin was at fault for the begger?
 

Nehemiah6

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#8
We have separated sin and sickness from each other.
Sin and sickness are both connected in Scripture, as well as disconnected. For example Epaphroditus was very seriously sick -- "nigh unto death" -- but definitely not because of sin. Many Christians have sicknesses and physical disabilities even though there is no reason to believe it is due to sin.

As to why we get sick, it all goes back to the curse that came upon creation through the disobedience of Adam. Sickness became a part of the human condition. Thorns and thistles were complemented by viruses and pathogenic bacteria.

Up until very recently, medical professionals were generally honorable and also honored their Hippocratic Oath. However when Big Pharma began making huge profits from pharmaceuticals, it also corrupted many doctors. Medical ethics were compromised for the sake of cash, and so when we come to coronavirus, it went even one step further. Treason as well as cash were involved in the creation of biological weapons, with American and Western public health officials actually helping and financing the Chinese Communist Party to create biological weapons in Wuhan which would eventually be used against the West.

The release of Wuhan virus (which originated with Chinese military intelligence )was an act of war. And it succeeded beautifully because the public health officials in the West and in the WHO were committed to protecting China and destroying their own countries.

The Western media should have been in the forefront of exposing this criminal conspiracy. Instead they became co-conspirators by daily publishing bogus reports, creating fear and panic, and attacking HCQ.

It is now clear through hard evidence from epidemiologists that the lockdowns were worthless, masking was a joke, and social distancing was meaningless (as you can see from the Biden hysteria). HCQ was deliberately sabotaged by public health officials in order to increase the number of deaths, so that fear-mongering and panic would prevail.

So instead of restoring conditions back to normal since July 2020, almost all Western nations decided to used COVID 19 as a weapon against their own people, in order to control them and take away their freedoms. These so-called "second waves" are all bogus, since the reporting of COVID19 itself is being manipulated. Just recently a NHS nurse in England resigned and told the public that medical personnel were being forced to deceive the public about this scamdemic. There were only 3 patients in 3 hospitals. We also know that at the height of the panic in the USA Trump sent hospital ships post haste to New York and Los Angeles, and they sat there vacant. The field hospital set up in Seattle for this scamdemic was dismantled since there were no patients!
 
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In our world today and in the science world, even the christian view also. We have separated sin and sickness from each other. The cause for sickness is no longer as result of sin. We have narrowed it down to virus as the cause of sickness. Could this really be the truth? Do we believe scientists above the law of nature and the holy scriptures?

We have stopped to think through information for ourselves, we have come to point in our history where we do not prove things for ourselves any longer. We accept the word of another and run with it. We are daily bombarded with information. Do we know how trustworthy is the information and what measurement can we use to evaluate whether we could trust the information given us. How can we know if the information is truth or error?
Because of the fall the powers of nature are no longer servants to mankind but have become hostile.
Science and faith pursue the same goal in different ways. Truth.

Science is limited and not concerned with matters of faith.

Faith must include the results of science that become certain.
 

Mii

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Not all science is evil...it's just when theory and postulation take the place of faith we start to diverge. Something that can be empirically verified beyond a reasonable doubt just points me toward a deeper understanding of the majesty of the Lord and where he has placed me. Observational science (like meteorology, geology, zoology, etc) is reasonable. "Science" based solely on theory? That's a no from me.

The postulations cannot be proven but somehow are more preferable than belief in the Word.

Either way it takes faith from what I can gather. Faith in humanity or faith in God.

There is of course much more to say on this issue...germ "theory" is just that.

It is amazing to me how for a LONG time, bloodletting was S.O.P (insert other bizarre practices here) and we somehow have the gall to presume that we have it all figured it out NOW when people seem to have felt that was the case all throughout history. Truly baffling. Pride maybe?
 

gb9

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Sin and sickness are both connected in Scripture, as well as disconnected. For example Epaphroditus was very seriously sick -- "nigh unto death" -- but definitely not because of sin. Many Christians have sicknesses and physical disabilities even though there is no reason to believe it is due to sin.

As to why we get sick, it all goes back to the curse that came upon creation through the disobedience of Adam. Sickness became a part of the human condition. Thorns and thistles were complemented by viruses and pathogenic bacteria.

Up until very recently, medical professionals were generally honorable and also honored their Hippocratic Oath. However when Big Pharma began making huge profits from pharmaceuticals, it also corrupted many doctors. Medical ethics were compromised for the sake of cash, and so when we come to coronavirus, it went even one step further. Treason as well as cash were involved in the creation of biological weapons, with American and Western public health officials actually helping and financing the Chinese Communist Party to create biological weapons in Wuhan which would eventually be used against the West.

The release of Wuhan virus (which originated with Chinese military intelligence )was an act of war. And it succeeded beautifully because the public health officials in the West and in the WHO were committed to protecting China and destroying their own countries.

The Western media should have been in the forefront of exposing this criminal conspiracy. Instead they became co-conspirators by daily publishing bogus reports, creating fear and panic, and attacking HCQ.

It is now clear through hard evidence from epidemiologists that the lockdowns were worthless, masking was a joke, and social distancing was meaningless (as you can see from the Biden hysteria). HCQ was deliberately sabotaged by public health officials in order to increase the number of deaths, so that fear-mongering and panic would prevail.

So instead of restoring conditions back to normal since July 2020, almost all Western nations decided to used COVID 19 as a weapon against their own people, in order to control them and take away their freedoms. These so-called "second waves" are all bogus, since the reporting of COVID19 itself is being manipulated. Just recently a NHS nurse in England resigned and told the public that medical personnel were being forced to deceive the public about this scamdemic. There were only 3 patients in 3 hospitals. We also know that at the height of the panic in the USA Trump sent hospital ships post haste to New York and Los Angeles, and they sat there vacant. The field hospital set up in Seattle for this scamdemic was dismantled since there were no patients!
and, while their has been a uptick in positive cases here in the u.s. the last couple of weeks, the media refuses to report that the country has been getting i.5 million test results per day { sometimes more}.

so, the fake news screams " record cases", they leave out record testing...
 

Nehemiah6

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so, the fake news screams " record cases", they leave out record testing...
Correct. Something else about testing which is not being presented to the general public is that A POSITIVE TEST MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING (and that false positives are also common). All it means is that you have antibodies in your system to fight the virus. You may never show symptoms, which means you may never infect others.

At the same time, if there was a genuine concern for public health, then the HCQ/zinc/erythromycin package would have been produced and distributed to all pharmacies at the latest by April, and would have been an over-the-counter product, at no cost to anyone with symptoms or with concerns. Instead HCQ was viciously attacked at all levels.
 

Lanolin

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people get sick because their immunity is low or they are vulnerable. Humans are actually very fragile creatures, we are the only ones that need to wear clothes for example!

we live in a fallen world where there are toxins that can kill us if we are not careful. Its not just our own sin but the sins of our fathers down the generations that have affected us in all diferent ways.

Christians also get sick too, in this world too we are not immune. That is why we need to look after each other.
 

Nehemiah6

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Christians also get sick too, in this world too we are not immune.
True. At the same time Christians should understand that while God allowed sickness and disease to enter into the world, He had already provided antidotes to many illnesses within the Plant Kingdom. Even ordinary things like ginger and garlic can boost one's immunity. So what all Christians need to say is "I am sick and tired or being sick and tired!"
 

3angelsmsg

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According to your way of thinking, who’s sin is at fault when a baby dies of cancer?
Also, what did Jesus reply to His Apostles when they asked Him whose sin was at fault for the begger?
The baby's body is 50 percent from the father and 50 percent from the mother. And also the spirit of child is 50 percent from each parent. The child inherit from the parents some sickses. Like if one of the parents have asthma there is possibility the child will inherit it. In case like that the child is bind to the mom. And the child is ignorant, the parents needs to teach the child how to take from God. And with disease the spirit is giving wrong impulses to the body and it in turn harm the body. If the parents are in conflict with eachother the child will try to get parents together again. And if child cannot do it. He hurts his own body because of the conflict. And the child get sick. The effects are visible on the body but the cause for the disease is invisible. For instance depression is the effect and not the cause. The cause is invisible because it is from the spirit of the human being.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Sin and sickness are both connected in Scripture, as well as disconnected. For example Epaphroditus was very seriously sick -- "nigh unto death" -- but definitely not because of sin. Many Christians have sicknesses and physical disabilities even though there is no reason to believe it is due to sin.

As to why we get sick, it all goes back to the curse that came upon creation through the disobedience of Adam. Sickness became a part of the human condition. Thorns and thistles were complemented by viruses and pathogenic bacteria.

Up until very recently, medical professionals were generally honorable and also honored their Hippocratic Oath. However when Big Pharma began making huge profits from pharmaceuticals, it also corrupted many doctors. Medical ethics were compromised for the sake of cash, and so when we come to coronavirus, it went even one step further. Treason as well as cash were involved in the creation of biological weapons, with American and Western public health officials actually helping and financing the Chinese Communist Party to create biological weapons in Wuhan which would eventually be used against the West.

The release of Wuhan virus (which originated with Chinese military intelligence )was an act of war. And it succeeded beautifully because the public health officials in the West and in the WHO were committed to protecting China and destroying their own countries.

The Western media should have been in the forefront of exposing this criminal conspiracy. Instead they became co-conspirators by daily publishing bogus reports, creating fear and panic, and attacking HCQ.

It is now clear through hard evidence from epidemiologists that the lockdowns were worthless, masking was a joke, and social distancing was meaningless (as you can see from the Biden hysteria). HCQ was deliberately sabotaged by public health officials in order to increase the number of deaths, so that fear-mongering and panic would prevail.

So instead of restoring conditions back to normal since July 2020, almost all Western nations decided to used COVID 19 as a weapon against their own people, in order to control them and take away their freedoms. These so-called "second waves" are all bogus, since the reporting of COVID19 itself is being manipulated. Just recently a NHS nurse in England resigned and told the public that medical personnel were being forced to deceive the public about this scamdemic. There were only 3 patients in 3 hospitals. We also know that at the height of the panic in the USA Trump sent hospital ships post haste to New York and Los Angeles, and they sat there vacant. The field hospital set up in Seattle for this scamdemic was dismantled since there were no patients!
I can confirm that 3 temporary NHS Hospitals dubbed 'Nightingale' were set up by NHS England in 2020 to help to deal with the COVID-19 pandemic. They have remained empty throughout. Our government hasn't apologised for the waste.

Most hospitals have remained largely empty as the NHS is held back by the government from treating many conditions. This is the health service ourselves, parents & grandparents have been paying into most of our lives. It has been used for the last 2 decades to treat people from all over the world who have never contributed. Now we are being told we must "Protect The NHS" by not using it.
Even cancer patients have been left untreated for months while the NHS service rests mostly like a ghost town.

To look at the news you would believe people are dropping like flies from Covid-19 all over England. Nothing could be further from the truth.
 

Sipsey

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The baby's body is 50 percent from the father and 50 percent from the mother. And also the spirit of child is 50 percent from each parent. The child inherit from the parents some sickses. Like if one of the parents have asthma there is possibility the child will inherit it. In case like that the child is bind to the mom. And the child is ignorant, the parents needs to teach the child how to take from God. And with disease the spirit is giving wrong impulses to the body and it in turn harm the body. If the parents are in conflict with eachother the child will try to get parents together again. And if child cannot do it. He hurts his own body because of the conflict. And the child get sick. The effects are visible on the body but the cause for the disease is invisible. For instance depression is the effect and not the cause. The cause is invisible because it is from the spirit of the human being.
I said “Baby,” in my question to you, and them you ramble about a baby in conflict with the parents. I would suggest you don’t know what the Scripture’s says about sin.

1Now as Jesus was passing by, He saw a man blind from birth, 2and Hisdisciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind? 3Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but this happened so that the works of God would be displayed in him.…
 

breno785au

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I think Jesus already dealt with this one...

And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
John 9:1‭-‬3
 

Blik

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If we lived in the world of the Garden of Eden, without sin, there would be no sickness. So sin is behind sickness. But we all need to live in this human world as it is, and in this world is sickness. Just as the rain falls on the good and the bad, we are all subject to this sickness apart from the sin that we, as individuals, commit.

However, there is still some connection to health and living for the Lord. The foods we choose to eat is a connection. The Lord tells us to leave things, don't do a lot of mixing things up. People who keep to natural, unmanufactured foods but leave them the way God created them stay healthier. People who obey the Lord about contentment keep to less stress so their bodies operate better. People who thank the Lord, and make praise a part of their life have a body that operates at its best.

When sickness comes to an individual, a session under a prayer shawl, either literally or figuratively, can optimize the body's defense against it.

I am a healthy 96 years old, and if my balance wasn't shot I'd be doing fine. So I've tested these things.
 

Blik

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Firstly, including "coronavirus" in your title is nothing but clickbaiting.

Secondly, where in Scripture does it say that all sickness is directly the result of sin?

Thirdly, do you reject science completely, or do you visit the doctor when you get sick?

Science and faith are not enemies. A proper understanding of Scripture goes hand in hand with a proper understanding of science-based medical practice.
You have a mind that is finely tuned to analyze and criticize, If your aim was to show a better way, instead of aiming to tear down, you would be a blessing to everyone. Perhaps this thought is behind your criticism?