Why do you believe the law is not binding on Christians?

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john832

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Tell me what book, chapter, and verse separates the ten commandments from the rest of the law.
Tell me what book, chapter and number contradicts what Christ said here...

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
 
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No He did not. He rose late afternoon (at about sunset) on the seventh day of the week. That or He was not the Messiah...

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Three days and three nights does not fit between Friday afternoon at sunset to before sunrise Sunday morning.

Now show me where in scripture, the fourth of the Ten Commandments is tossed out.
It's interesting that 1 Corinthians 15.20 says: "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."

I've not found any verse in the New Testament where the Lord Jesus asserts Sabbath-keeping.
 

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It's interesting that 1 Corinthians 15.20 says: "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."

I've not found any verse in the New Testament where the Lord Jesus asserts Sabbath-keeping.
There is one...

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Word for rest here is Sabbatismos, means keeping the Sabbath. The Diaglott has this...

Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.

So the reference is there. Your logic is faulty however. If we go by your logic (if it is not repeated in the N.T., it is not valid) then bestiality is perfectly acceptable because that Law is not repeated in the N.T.

So, how about it, is bestiality acceptable today?
 
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There is one...

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Word for rest here is Sabbatismos, means keeping the Sabbath. The Diaglott has this...

Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.

So the reference is there. Your logic is faulty however. If we go by your logic (if it is not repeated in the N.T., it is not valid) then bestiality is perfectly acceptable because that Law is not repeated in the N.T.

So, how about it, is bestiality acceptable today?
If you think the Epistle of the Hebrews is all about putting New Testament believers back under the law, then I can only say with respect that I would regard it as a serious misreading of the Epistle.

I would prefer not even to respond to the other part of your comment.
 

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It's interesting that 1 Corinthians 15.20 says: "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."

I've not found any verse in the New Testament where the Lord Jesus asserts Sabbath-keeping.
Jesus Christ said...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

And yet we have people say, "Yes but you didn't repeat a specific Commandment, therefore we shouldn't keep it."

???????

What kind of logic is that?

He says nothing will pass from His Law, He says to keep His Commandments, yet we have people who say...

Yeah, but...
 

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If you think the Epistle of the Hebrews is all about putting New Testament believers back under the law, then I can only say with respect that I would regard it as a serious misreading of the Epistle.

I would prefer not even to respond to the other part of your comment.
Why don't you explain to us what is so terrible about the Ten Commandments? I am all ears...
 
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Jesus Christ said...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

And yet we have people say, "Yes but you didn't repeat a specific Commandment, therefore we shouldn't keep it."

???????

What kind of logic is that?

He says nothing will pass from His Law, He says to keep His Commandments, yet we have people who say...

Yeah, but...
You are really teaching law-keeping, are you? We love to obey the Lord Jesus because we love Him; not because the New Testament believer is supposedly under the law.

Romans 16 speaks of 'obedience of faith', which means obedience is not meritorious for those who are under grace.
 
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Hebrews 4:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Nowhere in Hebrews 4 does it mention keeping the sabbath or working at the law. Johns translation is from the Complete Judaizers Translation.
 
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Hebrews 4:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Nowhere in Hebrews 4 does it mention keeping the sabbath or working at the law. Johns translation is from the Complete Judaizers Translation.
When I read Hebrews 4, it certainly does not mean: Oh we got to keep the Jewish Sabbath or some Judaized, professedly Christianized version of it.
 

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Hebrews 4:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Nowhere in Hebrews 4 does it mention keeping the sabbath or working at the law. Johns translation is from the Complete Judaizers Translation.
The word rest in the very verse you quoted is Sabbatismos, a keeping of the Sabbath.
 
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john832

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Beastiality or law-keeping: where is the logic in what you suggest? You see why I prefer not to pursue this.
Your logic is that if it is not mentioned (the Sabbath is mentioned) then it is not meant to be observed. So if bestiality is not mentioned, then it is not meant to be observed by YOUR logic.

Your logic is that somehow, all the Law is wiped away and then has to be repeated in the N.T.

Christ said the exact opposite...

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

He siad it is easier for the heavens and earth to pass away than a dotting of an i or the crossing of a t to pass from His Law.
 

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When I read Hebrews 4, it certainly does not mean: Oh we got to keep the Jewish Sabbath or some Judaized, professedly Christianized version of it.
Let's see here...

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Now if your Bible says Jewish Sabbath here you need to return it and get your money back, it contains misprints.
 

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When I read Hebrews 4, it certainly does not mean: Oh we got to keep the Jewish Sabbath or some Judaized, professedly Christianized version of it.
So when you read "there remains a keeping of the Sabbath" it surely can't mean to keep the Sabbath? What pray tell does it mean? What does the seventh day mena here?

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

So these guys kept the seventh day Sabbath and still couldn't enter the rest that it pictured. How much chance does one have of entering that rest if they don't even understand that the seventh day Sabbath is the picture, the type of, the shadow of the rest of God?
 
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Show me proof from the Bible why you believe the law is not binding on Christians.
The law of commandments given to Moses is not binding to us but we have the law of Christ
tGalatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.


Leviticus 26:46 These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the Lord made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.
Numbers 15:28-30

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]28 [/SUP]And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the Lord, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the Lord; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.




Romans 6:13-15

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.


Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
 
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doesnt matter what errors one may believe
the low is the constraints for the whole univers and anyone doing things outside the law will be guilty ofcruucifying christ the word of God
 
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There is no doubt that the nation of Israel in “OT” serves as an example for Christians in “NT” cf 1 Corinthians 10:1-13

Is Egypt a symbol for bondage of sin?
Is the crossing of the reed sea a symbol for baptism ?
Is the journey in the wilderness a symbol for Christian life on earth?
Is the promised land a symbol for eternal life?

Did the Israelites of that generation not able to enter the promised land because of unbelief?
Did their actions in the wilderness characterised their unbelief?
Did they show their rebellion by desecrating the Sabbath?

Is the observance of the Sabbath ended once they entered the promised land?

With these questions in mind and with the context references to Psalm 95, one would read Hebrews 3 & 4 very differently.

 
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doesnt matter what errors one may believe
the low is the constraints for the whole univers and anyone doing things outside the law will be guilty ofcruucifying christ the word of God
Romans 10:4
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For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.