Why does cc allow hyper pauline heretics a platform????
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Mystery or Prophecy?
We have often insisted that while the prophets “testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow,” they knew nothing of the present period of grace which lies between our Lord’s suffering and His kingdom glory.
“The dispensation of the grace of God,” we read in Ephesians 3, was “a mystery” only made known “by revelation” to Paul, some years after the rejected Christ had returned to heaven. In verse 5 he says that “in other ages” it was “not made known.” In verse 8 he calls it “the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God.” In Romans 16:25 he says it was “kept secret since the world began.” In Colossians 1:26 he insists again that it was “hid from ages and from generations.”
But there are still thousands of sincere believers who do not see this. They think that the prophets predicted the reign of grace as well as the reign of Christ. Thus they lose some of the joy of that great surprise of grace which God planned for sinners “before the world began” (II Tim. 1:9), but “kept secret since the world began” (Rom. 16:25).
One of the Scriptures which troubles them most is I Peter 1:10: “Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you.” They say that this proves conclusively that the dispensation of Grace was prophesied beforehand and was no mystery at all.
But here again we must distinguish between grace in a dispensation and the dispensation of Grace. Peter is not speaking of the reign of grace here, but of the grace that will prevail during the reign of Christ. This is clear from the 13th verse, where he exhorts his Jewish Christian brethren, “Hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
Remember that like Christ on earth, Peter was a minister of “the Circumcision” (Rom. 15:18; Gal. 2:7). His message to the believing Jews had the kingdom reign of Christ in view.
The prophets had clearly predicted that God would judge the world for rejecting His Son and would enthrone Christ in spite of them. He did not do this immediately, however. In matchless mercy, He deferred the judgment and offered salvation to all who would receive it as a free gift through the merits of Christ. And so, while Christ is not yet reigning, grace reigns. “That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign” (Rom. 5:21).
An over-abounding grace is the outstanding characteristic of God’s dealings with man in “this present evil age.”
When Saul of Tarsus became the leader of an organized rebellion against Christ, God in love reached down to save him, choosing him as the very agent through whom He would proclaim grace to a lost world.
We have often insisted that while the prophets “testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow,” they knew nothing of the present period of grace which lies between our Lord’s suffering and His kingdom glory.
“The dispensation of the grace of God,” we read in Ephesians 3, was “a mystery” only made known “by revelation” to Paul, some years after the rejected Christ had returned to heaven. In verse 5 he says that “in other ages” it was “not made known.” In verse 8 he calls it “the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God.” In Romans 16:25 he says it was “kept secret since the world began.” In Colossians 1:26 he insists again that it was “hid from ages and from generations.”
But there are still thousands of sincere believers who do not see this. They think that the prophets predicted the reign of grace as well as the reign of Christ. Thus they lose some of the joy of that great surprise of grace which God planned for sinners “before the world began” (II Tim. 1:9), but “kept secret since the world began” (Rom. 16:25).
One of the Scriptures which troubles them most is I Peter 1:10: “Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you.” They say that this proves conclusively that the dispensation of Grace was prophesied beforehand and was no mystery at all.
But here again we must distinguish between grace in a dispensation and the dispensation of Grace. Peter is not speaking of the reign of grace here, but of the grace that will prevail during the reign of Christ. This is clear from the 13th verse, where he exhorts his Jewish Christian brethren, “Hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
Remember that like Christ on earth, Peter was a minister of “the Circumcision” (Rom. 15:18; Gal. 2:7). His message to the believing Jews had the kingdom reign of Christ in view.
The prophets had clearly predicted that God would judge the world for rejecting His Son and would enthrone Christ in spite of them. He did not do this immediately, however. In matchless mercy, He deferred the judgment and offered salvation to all who would receive it as a free gift through the merits of Christ. And so, while Christ is not yet reigning, grace reigns. “That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign” (Rom. 5:21).
An over-abounding grace is the outstanding characteristic of God’s dealings with man in “this present evil age.”
When Saul of Tarsus became the leader of an organized rebellion against Christ, God in love reached down to save him, choosing him as the very agent through whom He would proclaim grace to a lost world.
^ I believe "verse 13" actually says, "Therefore having girded up the loins of your mind, being sober-minded, set your hope fully upon the grace being brought to you in revelation of Jesus Christ" (as opposed to "at THE revelation of Jesus Christ" as is used elsewhere and means a distinct thing)
https://biblehub.com/text/1_peter/1-13.htm - 1 Peter 1:13
https://biblehub.com/text/1_peter/1-13.htm - 1 Peter 1:13
Matthew 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
If you understand what the Lord is saying here then you CAN'T say that Christ is not reigning yet Grace reigns.
If Christ didn't fulfill ALL that was in the law then we are still under the Old Covenant and all the Epistles are basically garbage. Might as well rip them out and throw them away.
But, luckily for us, the Lord Jesus fulfilled what the Prophets said about Him and He fulfilled all the law as well. Making the Epistles of great use to us.
Christ is reigning Right Now. But only in those who Come to Him. His Kingdom coming is not by observation.
Luke 17:20-21
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
You are obviously very invested in your error. I don't think I will be able to change your mind. But scripture shows you that almost every point you have tried to make in separating the Reign of Christ from Grace is Wrong.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
If you understand what the Lord is saying here then you CAN'T say that Christ is not reigning yet Grace reigns.
If Christ didn't fulfill ALL that was in the law then we are still under the Old Covenant and all the Epistles are basically garbage. Might as well rip them out and throw them away.
But, luckily for us, the Lord Jesus fulfilled what the Prophets said about Him and He fulfilled all the law as well. Making the Epistles of great use to us.
Christ is reigning Right Now. But only in those who Come to Him. His Kingdom coming is not by observation.
Luke 17:20-21
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
You are obviously very invested in your error. I don't think I will be able to change your mind. But scripture shows you that almost every point you have tried to make in separating the Reign of Christ from Grace is Wrong.
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Are you saying that Jesus is presently sitting on David's throne, and that Acts 3:21's "until" is saying something else, and that the two "King" references (only two) in the epistles (and both "future") really are of no consequence? That, when He "returns" that will be "the end of the world [and 'TIME,' as some suggest]" (as opposed to "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" which will be followed by "the age [singular] to come" aka "the earthly MK age")??
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--"at THE revelation of Jesus Christ" refers to His coming/return/presence (whether you want to say Rapture of 2nd Coming)
--"IN revelation" ("BEING brought to you" present participle) with NO definite article, is NOT referring to THAT ^ , but rather "revelation" (as in, "understanding"... and "[so that...reminding them re:]... having been established in the present truth")
In 1Cor2:7-10[16b], Paul is saying, "we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained BEFORE [pro] the world unto our glory: which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it has been written: "What no eye has seen, and no ear has heard, and has not entered into heart of man, what God has prepared for those loving Him." But God HATH REVEALED them unto us, by means of His Spirit... we have the mind of Christ" (this is what the NT apostles and prophets have received and what is now recorded in our Bibles following His death and resurrection/ascension/exaltation, basically...). Jesus had said (just before getting ready to go to the Cross), "I have YET MANY THINGS to say unto you, BUT ye cannot bear them now." John 16:12
--"IN revelation" ("BEING brought to you" present participle) with NO definite article, is NOT referring to THAT ^ , but rather "revelation" (as in, "understanding"... and "[so that...reminding them re:]... having been established in the present truth")
In 1Cor2:7-10[16b], Paul is saying, "we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained BEFORE [pro] the world unto our glory: which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it has been written: "What no eye has seen, and no ear has heard, and has not entered into heart of man, what God has prepared for those loving Him." But God HATH REVEALED them unto us, by means of His Spirit... we have the mind of Christ" (this is what the NT apostles and prophets have received and what is now recorded in our Bibles following His death and resurrection/ascension/exaltation, basically...). Jesus had said (just before getting ready to go to the Cross), "I have YET MANY THINGS to say unto you, BUT ye cannot bear them now." John 16:12
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I believe as he was speaking to the Pharisees, I believe He was saying "in your midst" (rather than "IN you")... and I've stated before, I believe "the kingdom of God" is wider-encompassing, whereas "the kingdom OF THE heavenS" refers to the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom (not yet in operation)
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A perfectly human response to all the mud slinging one has to put up with around here. It`s not a sin and you certainly have no room to talk. After knowing you I would never put my confidence in a chaplain.
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
I sometimes show people scripture that they don't understand. I don't mean to.
I didn't know that people sometimes say things and don't understand the implications of what they say. So when I show them that those implications are wrong all I get are..... ????????????? I didn't say that....
Its funny that you say Replacement theology every time you are shown that there aren't 2 gospels going simultaneously. You've got that one down very well.
I was going to wait to see what YOU thought the implications of this 2 gospels were but I don't know if that is ever going to happen. Maybe you don't even know.
I didn't know that people sometimes say things and don't understand the implications of what they say. So when I show them that those implications are wrong all I get are..... ????????????? I didn't say that....
Its funny that you say Replacement theology every time you are shown that there aren't 2 gospels going simultaneously. You've got that one down very well.
I was going to wait to see what YOU thought the implications of this 2 gospels were but I don't know if that is ever going to happen. Maybe you don't even know.
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