Why does God exists

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TMS

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If we could comprehend these questions we would be God.

Many questions are uncomprehendable and God purposely didn't give us the ability to understand these things.

If we understood some things as evil as we are it would be a disaster.

I have faith that God is greater then time, greater then life, and that makes Him greater then existance.
 

Eli1

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Maxwell has given an excellent response here and like he said this isn‘t just a question for Christians.
Another way to make this more “compatible” with our finite experience is if we include the concept of infinity (in math).
So God has an infinite “past” and an infinite “future” from our point of view in this existence (Or fallen world).
 

TMS

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A child like faith is a simple faith that does not doubt, question, or seek explanations; it just believes.
Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
 

Papermonkey

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1.) The philosophical statement I made, that "something must be eternal", has been known, understood, and believed by virtually everyone, theist and atheist, for thousands of years. It is also proven by logic, philosophy, and science.

2.) That statement also has nothing to do with God, and you tried to disprove it by making some argument about God - you can't disprove it by arguing about God, because it's a philosophical principle that has nothing to do with God.



Arguing about this is like arguing that water isn't wet, or arguing that you don't exist.
You can argue about anything... but that doesn't mean your argument about "anything" is actually rational.

I'm not going to spend a lot of time debating things that are literally irrational to debate.
If anyone has sincere questions, and the propositions I presented seem unclear or confusing... people are welcome to pm, as always, at any time.



Take care everyone. Have a lovely weekend.
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Another rude one. With a minions frame as a profile pic. OK.

''I'm not going to spend a lot of time debating things that are literally irrational to debate.''

Given what you said earlier about the topic of eternity you already have.

You're now attempting to insist as factual something that has not ever been proven to be.

Science has not proven eternity exists. Atheists don't accept eternity is a fact. And philosophers? Philosophy by definition has not proven it as a fact either.

Do have a good weekend.
 

maxwel

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Another rude one.

''I'm not going to spend a lot of time debating things that are literally irrational to debate.''

Given what you said earlier about the topic of eternity you already have.

You're now attempting to insist as factual something that has not ever been proven to be.

Science has not proven eternity exists. Atheists don't accept eternity is a fact. And philosophers? Philosophy by definition has not proven it as a fact either.

Do have a good weekend.
I love you too.
: )
 

Snacks

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I can almost, sort of, kinda, ever so slightly wrap my head around an eternal future, but when it comes to an eternal beginning and that God has no beginning, that’s beyond my pay grade.
 

JaumeJ

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So yeah, why does God actually exists? Like where did he come from. And why does anything exists, like what is the reason for existence itself?
A question which may put you on the right ay is, "Where did I come from."
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I can almost, sort of, kinda, ever so slightly wrap my head around an eternal future, but when it comes to an eternal beginning and that God has no beginning, that’s beyond my pay grade.
Where does the circle begin?

 

Lucy-Pevensie

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So yeah, why does God actually exists? Like where did he come from. And why does anything exists, like what is the reason for existence itself?
Ask God. He knows better than we do. Seek him out.
 

PennEd

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So yeah, why does God actually exists? Like where did he come from. And why does anything exists, like what is the reason for existence itself?
Iv'e heard other explanations, but this one is pretty good.

 

cv5

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That's something I've asked myself many times. How can something exist from all eternity with no beginning or end? It's something I'll probably never get my puny mind around!
Subtract out the concept of time and it is no problem. Time is probably specific to our limited dimensional space. When we think of a "timeline", this only exists in one dimension......a line. Two dimensions, a plane. Three dimensions a volume and so on and so forth.

Bump up the number of dimensions and "time" disappears. This would be God's perspective.

Supposedly, Moses ben Maimon (aka Rambam) inferred 10 dimensions from Scripture. Probably more than enough.

BTW....in terms of philosophy, the fundamental reason that God is the Holy One, unapproachable and impeccable, and everything he is and does is righteous just, right and true, is because He alone inhabits eternity, the highest of dimensional spaces. And interestingly, from and engineering perspective, HE HAS THE GREATEST NUMBER OF DEGREES OF FREEDOM.

Along with the staggering implications thereof.......:unsure:
 
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God is a transcendent being...He is that He is. We exist to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. One preacher said...to glorify Him by enjoying Him forever.
Where does the circle begin?

the question I’m asking isn’t where does the circle begin but rather why is the circle there
 

cv5

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the question I’m asking isn’t where does the circle begin but rather why is the circle there
God planned and has plans for that circle, along with everything else. That goes for everyone musing over it too.
 

cv5

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Subtract out the concept of time and it is no problem. Time is probably specific to our limited dimensional space. When we think of a "timeline", this only exists in one dimension......a line. Two dimensions, a plane. Three dimensions a volume and so on and so forth.

Bump up the number of dimensions and "time" disappears. This would be God's perspective.

Supposedly, Moses ben Maimon (aka Rambam) inferred 10 dimensions from Scripture. Probably more than enough.

BTW....in terms of philosophy, the fundamental reason that God is the Holy One, unapproachable and impeccable, and everything he is and does is righteous just, right and true, is because He alone inhabits eternity, the highest of dimensional spaces. And interestingly, from and engineering perspective, HE HAS THE GREATEST NUMBER OF DEGREES OF FREEDOM.

Along with the staggering implications thereof.......:unsure:
EDIT:
Time is probably specific to our limited perception of dimensional spaces.
 

Cameron143

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the question I’m asking isn’t where does the circle begin but rather why is the circle there
God has no beginning or end. He is from everlasting to everlasting. God doesn't exist because of some other entity so there is no answer as to why He exists...only that He does exist.
This we accept by faith. We accept it not because we can fully comprehend it, but because God has declared it.
 

Pilgrimshope

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So yeah, why does God actually exists? Like where did he come from. And why does anything exists, like what is the reason for existence itself?
God exists to give life to fools like you and I

and everything exists because he wants a home to live with his people, like a father and his family
 

maxwel

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the question I’m asking isn’t where does the circle begin but rather why is the circle there
"Why", in this case, is the wrong question... because it comes with incorrect implications.

When we ask "why is a thing there", we're starting with the presupposition that something caused it... and that makes it a contingent entity.

If we say "why" does God exist, the "why" question implies something was prior to him which caused him... this would make God a contingent being, not an eternal, self existent being.

God does not exist by contingency, but by necessity of his own being... in theology this is what we call God's "aseity."

He did not "come into existence", there is nothing prior to him which "caused" him.
If there is nothing prior to him which caused him, then there is no "why", because "why" implies contingency... if anything at all caused God to be, then that thing would be more powerful than God, and that thing would, essentially, be God.

God exists by the necessity of his own being... he has always existed, he never began to exist, and nothing prior to him caused him.
If "something" was not eternal, then nothing could be here now... nothing could currently exist unless "something" was eternal.
If there was ever a time when there was "nothing"... there would be nothing still.
Even atheists and non-Christians have understood this for thousands of years.... it's not a religious statement.

God's eternal nature is not something we can fully comprehend, but we can have SOME comprehension of it.
- We can use simple logic, and work backward, and very quickly see that something had to be eternal... something must have always existed.
- Then we can easily deal with contingency, and logically see that something which has always existed is not contingent on anything else for it's existence... this means there is no "why", other than it exists by sheer necessity of it's own existence.
- We can deduce these things logically, and fairly easily, and humans have understood these things for a very long time.


Conclusion:
We can easily understand that God IS eternal, and that something MUST BE ETERNAL, and that something which is eternal has no explanation for being other than it's own necessity.
- We can easily come to these logical conclusion... and people have understood these things for a long time.
- But understanding that God is eternal, and that he must be eternal.... well... that's very different than understanding what being eternal is like. It's not something we can relate to.
- Eternality is one of God's "incommunicable" attributes, that means it's an attribute which humans simply don't have... since we don't have it, it's very hard for us to relate to it, or understand it. We can accept it, and understand it to be true, both by faith and by logic... but we can't relate to it.



Sorry this topic is so hard to comprehend... but we're talking about God's incommunicable attributes... they are hard to comprehend by definition.

God Bless.

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"Why", in this case, is the wrong question... because it comes with incorrect implications.

When we ask "why is a thing there", we're starting with the presupposition that something caused it... and that makes it a contingent entity.

If we say "why" does God exist, the "why" question implies something was prior to him which caused him... this would make God a contingent being, not an eternal, self existent being.

God does not exist by contingency, but by necessity of his own being... in theology this is what we call God's "aseity."

He did not "come into existence", there is nothing prior to him which "caused" him.
If there is nothing prior to him which caused him, then there is no "why", because "why" implies contingency... if anything at all caused God to be, then that thing would be more powerful than God, and that thing would, essentially, be God.

God exists by the necessity of his own being... he has always existed, he never began to exist, and nothing prior to him caused him.
If "something" was not eternal, then nothing could be here now... nothing could currently exist unless "something" was eternal.
If there was ever a time when there was "nothing"... there would be nothing still.
Even atheists and non-Christians have understood this for thousands of years.... it's not a religious statement.

God's eternal nature is not something we can fully comprehend, but we can have SOME comprehension of it.
- We can use simple logic, and work backward, and very quickly see that something had to be eternal... something must have always existed.
- Then we can easily deal with contingency, and logically see that something which has always existed is not contingent on anything else for it's existence... this means there is no "why", other than it exists by sheer necessity of it's own existence.
- We can deduce these things logically, and fairly easily, and humans have understood these things for a very long time.


Conclusion:
We can easily understand that God IS eternal, and that something MUST BE ETERNAL, and that something which is eternal has no explanation for being other than it's own necessity.
- We can easily come to these logical conclusion... and people have understood these things for a long time.
- But understanding that God is eternal, and that he must be eternal.... well... that's very different than understanding what being eternal is like. It's not something we can relate to.
- Eternality is one of God's "incommunicable" attributes, that means it's an attribute which humans simply don't have... since we don't have it, it's very hard for us to relate to it, or understand it. We can accept it, and understand it to be true, both by faith and by logic... but we can't relate to it.



Sorry this topic is so hard to comprehend... but we're talking about God's incommunicable attributes... they are hard to comprehend by definition.

God Bless.
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Thanks for helping me understand this. You are really smart
 
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Ecclesiastes 3 (NKJV)

11He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.