Why have the Sign Gifts Ended
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There is no reason to go anywhere else but the immediate context to understand what Paul was saying about the kind of infirmities he would glory in30If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.
5Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
It is impossible to make verse 5 not mean the same as verse 30. And in verse 30 he just listed the infirmities he was talking about.
It is undeniable. No question. He is talking about glorying in the infirmities caused by the list he gave up to verse 30. No eye disease. Maybe a black eye, or two. Eye swole shut from a rock. I'll concede to that.
5Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
It is impossible to make verse 5 not mean the same as verse 30. And in verse 30 he just listed the infirmities he was talking about.
It is undeniable. No question. He is talking about glorying in the infirmities caused by the list he gave up to verse 30. No eye disease. Maybe a black eye, or two. Eye swole shut from a rock. I'll concede to that.
I would strongly encourage you to do some reading in basic logic. You have made a massive and unwarranted leap here, taking statements made after the fact as foundational to the ability. In other words, you have it backwards. God's intent was to use that particular healing as a sign to Israel, so the healing had nothing whatsoever to do with Peter having an ability to heal at will, or to heal everyone who needed healing, or being able to "guarantee" that all would be healed.
You can look at parallel passages in Mark and Matthew. Matthew often uses 'kingdom of heaven'. You can find cases where the same teaching is taught, but Matthew uses 'kingdom of heaven' instead of 'kingdom of God.'
Some of the Jews did not like to use the divine name or refer directly to God, and took to using euphamistic references to God.
A couple of examples:
Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Matthew 13:11
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Matthew 13:24
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mark 4:26
And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;
Some of the Jews did not like to use the divine name or refer directly to God, and took to using euphamistic references to God.
A couple of examples:
Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Matthew 13:11
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Matthew 13:24
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mark 4:26
And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;
I already clarified, but you disagreed in your reply, so we are agreeing to disagree
https://christianchat.com/threads/why-have-the-sign-gifts-ended.196068/post-4463810
https://christianchat.com/threads/why-have-the-sign-gifts-ended.196068/post-4463810
You need to read more carefully as well.
I did not disagree with your assertion that the healing was a sign to Israel; I later questioned it though.
I did disagree with your assertion that healing was ever "guaranteed".
So we are not "agreeing to disagree" at all. Rather, you are avoiding culpability for claiming that Scripture says something that it does not say.
I did not disagree with your assertion that the healing was a sign to Israel; I later questioned it though.
I did disagree with your assertion that healing was ever "guaranteed".
So we are not "agreeing to disagree" at all. Rather, you are avoiding culpability for claiming that Scripture says something that it does not say.
I think both of you have some valid points here. "Budman" seems to be going after the idiots like Benny Hinn and others who rip-off people everyday. I was involved, many years ago, with the transportation of the "disabled" going to a Benny Hinn farce in Phoenix, AZ. I felt so sorry for these people. They had hopes of a better future because they wanted to believe that this charlatan would heal them. I stood and shook my head at the proceedings. Everyone went into the coliseum with various disabilities and everyone of them came out the same. Just a whole lot sadder and depressed. It is no wonder Benny Hinn travels with a motorcade of black SUV's, in his private Limo because I am sure that there are a few people who would like to do him harm.
As to your own observations, I agree that miracles, signs and wonders can only be performed at the will and power of God. God is working through the Apostles to accomplish his purpose, they have no real power of their own.
As to your own observations, I agree that miracles, signs and wonders can only be performed at the will and power of God. God is working through the Apostles to accomplish his purpose, they have no real power of their own.