Why I am a dispensationalist.

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LW97

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I believe it's an important thing to rightly divide. Many say all people in the entire history got saved by faith in God. But is that true?

I don't think so. I mean, Adam and Eve were allowed to stay in the Garden of Eden, as long as they don't eat from that one tree. Does that apply to us today?

This sermon may help a lot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI4CteEFxOk
 
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Be careful with that. Dispensationalism is just another brand/form of denominationalism. Only God is a dispensationalist, because He introduces the truth of times, ages, distinctions for rightly dividing. People have made this thing dispensationalism, and it is doctrinally messy, leads to unbelievable fleshly behavior. I absolutely practice right division, it is wonderful, it is the key to seeing the doctrines of God. Right division/rightly dividing is not "dispensationalism" by any means, they just practice this method of instruction, too.
 

LW97

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Be careful with that. Dispensationalism is just another brand/form of denominationalism. Only God is a dispensationalist, because He introduces the truth of times, ages, distinctions for rightly dividing. People have made this thing dispensationalism, and it is doctrinally messy, leads to unbelievable fleshly behavior. I absolutely practice right division, it is wonderful, it is the key to seeing the doctrines of God. Right division/rightly dividing is not "dispensationalism" by any means, they just practice this method of instruction, too.
I think you confuse dispensationalism with hyper dispensationalism.
 
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I think you confuse dispensationalism with hyper dispensationalism.
No, I don't. I think people who say they are a "dispensationalist" confuse right division with "being" a dispensationalist, it's a strange labeling. We are simply Christians, workman, ambassadors, saints, the church the body of Christ. A dispensation was given, but that is not an identity taught by God.
 
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LW97

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No, I don't. I think people who say they are a "dispensationalist" confuse right division with "being" a dispensationalist, it's a strange labeling. We are simply Christians, workman, ambassadors, saints, the church the body of Christ. A dispensation was given, but that is not an identity taught by God.
You are right. I should have called this thread "why I teach dispensationalism". God bless
 
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I believe it's an important thing to rightly divide. Many say all people in the entire history got saved by faith in God. But is that true?

I don't think so. I mean, Adam and Eve were allowed to stay in the Garden of Eden, as long as they don't eat from that one tree. Does that apply to us today?

This sermon may help a lot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI4CteEFxOk
I teach dispensationalism, but i also teach all men of all times were saved by faith, adam and eve earned salvation as long as they continued to have faith, when their faith fell and they sinned, they lost the right to save themseves, and had to trust god to save them.
 

John146

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You are right. I should have called this thread "why I teach dispensationalism". God bless
"All Scripture is written for us, but not all Scripture is written to us."
 
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I teach it because i believe in the literal fulfilment of all prophesy
 

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I believe it's an important thing to rightly divide. Many say all people in the entire history got saved by faith in God. But is that true?

I don't think so. I mean, Adam and Eve were allowed to stay in the Garden of Eden, as long as they don't eat from that one tree. Does that apply to us today?

This sermon may help a lot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI4CteEFxOk
I wonder why do you listen to this guy in the video.

He has so many logical fallacies in his speech that I was never able to listen to him for a long time. Not to say he is the KJV only, believes in aliens and mutants among us etc.
 

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"All Scripture is written for us, but not all Scripture is written to us."
I believe that to be true. I also believe that all scripture is truthfully stated but not all scripture is a statement of truth.
 

tanakh

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The core teaching of Dispensationalism as taught by Darby and Schofield and believed by a number of people on this site is that
there are two different plans of salvation for Jews and Gentiles. This belief lies at the root of the secret rapture teaching in that the Church leaves the earth so that God can concentrate once more on National Israel which involves them following the Law once again complete with the Temple and sacrificial system during the millennium.

Paul teaches that a true Jew is anyone who has the faith of Abraham. That person is a member of spiritual Israel regardless whether they are Jew or Gentile. He and the other Apostles taught one Gospel to both. In Acts it was revealed to Peter that the same message he had been giving the Jews applied equally to Gentiles when he was sent to Cornelius and his household.
Israel and the Church are not two separate entities but spiritually the same thing. The infant church was led by Jews so the promise given to Abraham that he would be the Father of Nations was and is still being fulfilled.

For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through righteousness of faith. For if it is adherents of the law who are to be the heirs faith is null and the promise is void.

Rom 4:13-14


That is why it depends on faith in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring -not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham who is the father of us all.

Rom 4:16

And the scripture foreseeing that god would justify the Gentiles by faith preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham saying ''In you shall all the nations be blessed''

Gal 3:8

So that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles so that we might receive the promised spirit through faith

Gal 3:14

For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly and circumcision is a matter of the heart by the spirit not the letter. His praise is not from man but from God

Rom 2:28-29

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring but'' through Isaac shall your offspring be named''. This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

Rom 9:6-8

For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision but a new creation. And as for all who walk by this rule peace and mercy be upon them and upon the Israel of God

Gal 6:15-16

The Kingdom of God is a spiritual Kingdom. The Temple and all that went with it were shadows and symbols of the spiritual reality and were done away with at Christs first coming. The New Covenant brought in that spiritual reality of the true Israel
which the physical Israel was only a type. This is not replacement theology. The Church is the culmination of all of Gods promises to the true Israel the sons of Abraham both Jew and Gentile.
 
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No, I don't. I think people who say they are a "dispensationalist" confuse right division with "being" a dispensationalist, it's a strange labeling. We are simply Christians, workman, ambassadors, saints, the church the body of Christ. A dispensation was given, but that is not an identity taught by God.
But yours is a dispensational doctrine and it simply places the starting point at a different place in Acts than traditional dispensationalist doctrine does.
 

Nehemiah6

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Be careful with that. Dispensationalism is just another brand/form of denominationalism.
I believe you are quite mistaken (if not confused) about these terms. Dispensationalism cuts across denominational lines, but it is generally accepted in evangelical and fundamentalist churches as opposed to mainline Protestant denominations.

It would appear that you have not really looked into Dispensationalism in depth, since there is absolutely nothing objectionable about it. It is simply a METHOD of understanding Bible truth. And there are variations in the number of dispensations even among Dispensationalists. The simplest way to under this method of interpretation is to line up the major covenants in the Bible with the dispensations.

At the same time, it is very clear that those who are committed to Covenant Theology, Amillenialism, Post-Millennialism, Post-Tribulationism , etc. are BITTERLY OPPOSED to Dispensationalism. Some even go so far as calling it "heresy". But that is total nonsense. Most of these people have not even studied the elements of Dispensationalism.

What really bothers them is that Replacement Theology (replacement of Israel with the Church) has been exposed as a lie. Until 1948 no one expected to see a nation of Israel back on earth. But had Christians simply studied the OT and NT prophecies pertaining to redeemed and restored Israel, they would have understood that God was not finished with Israel although they were dispersed and temporarily blinded.

Am I a Dispensationalist? Absolutely. There is no question that God has dealt with human beings in different ways at different times. At the very least we know that there is a major difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. However there was no so-called "Dispensation of Innocence" (Adam and Eve) since their stay in Eden was extremely brief (or so it would appear). Neither is there a so-called "Covenant of Works" (Adam & Eve) since God did NOT make a covenant with Adam. God gave him a commandment, and he disobeyed it.
 
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LW97

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I believe you are quite mistaken (if not confused) about these terms. Dispensationalism cuts across denominational lines, but it is generally accepted in evangelical and fundamentalist churches as opposed to mainline Protestant denominations.

It would appear that you have not really looked into Dispensationalism in depth, since there is absolutely nothing objectionable about it. It is simply a METHOD of understanding Bible truth. And there are variations in the number of dispensations even among Dispensationalists. The simplest way to under this method of interpretation is to line up the major covenants in the Bible with the dispensations.

At the same time, it is very clear that those who are committed to Covenant Theology, Amillenialism, Post-Millennialism, Post-Tribulationism , etc. are BITTERLY OPPOSED to Dispensationalism. Some even go so far as calling it "heresy". But that is total nonsense. Most of these people have not even studied the elements of Dispensationalism.

What really bothers them is that Replacement Theology (replacement of Israel with the Church) has been exposed as a lie. Until 1948 no one expected to see a nation of Israel back on earth. But had Christians simply studied the OT and NT prophecies pertaining to redeemed and restored Israel, they would have understood that God was not finished with Israel although they were dispersed and temporarily blinded.

Am I a Dispensationalist? Absolutely. There is no question that God has dealt with human beings in different ways at different times. At the very least we know that there is a major difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. However there was no so-called "Dispensation of Innocence" (Adam and Eve) since their stay in Eden was extremely brief (or so it would appear). Neither is there a so-called "Covenant of Works" (Adam & Eve) since God did NOT make a covenant with Adam. God gave him a commandment, and he disobeyed it.
Amen, brother, amen.
 
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But yours is a dispensational doctrine and it simply places the starting point at a different place in Acts than traditional dispensationalist doctrine does.
The starting point to what, reconciliation and assurance to all men, a ministry call by grace without works? Then I would say yes, something is different in the transitional book of Acts.
 
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Really my point being, seeing dispensation(s) is not an "ism" nor makes one an "ist"... it is simply a method of applying right division, until theological mindsets get involved, then being "dispensational" is most certainly a denominational issue, as you point out with the eschatology doctrines. But, I can agree to disagree, and I do with anyone who says "I am a dispensationalist." That is carnal, it is not a biblical identity in Christ.


I believe you are quite mistaken (if not confused) about these terms. Dispensationalism cuts across denominational lines, but it is generally accepted in evangelical and fundamentalist churches as opposed to mainline Protestant denominations.

It would appear that you have not really looked into Dispensationalism in depth, since there is absolutely nothing objectionable about it. It is simply a METHOD of understanding Bible truth. And there are variations in the number of dispensations even among Dispensationalists. The simplest way to under this method of interpretation is to line up the major covenants in the Bible with the dispensations.

At the same time, it is very clear that those who are committed to Covenant Theology, Amillenialism, Post-Millennialism, Post-Tribulationism , etc. are BITTERLY OPPOSED to Dispensationalism. Some even go so far as calling it "heresy". But that is total nonsense. Most of these people have not even studied the elements of Dispensationalism.

What really bothers them is that Replacement Theology (replacement of Israel with the Church) has been exposed as a lie. Until 1948 no one expected to see a nation of Israel back on earth. But had Christians simply studied the OT and NT prophecies pertaining to redeemed and restored Israel, they would have understood that God was not finished with Israel although they were dispersed and temporarily blinded.

Am I a Dispensationalist? Absolutely. There is no question that God has dealt with human beings in different ways at different times. At the very least we know that there is a major difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. However there was no so-called "Dispensation of Innocence" (Adam and Eve) since their stay in Eden was extremely brief (or so it would appear). Neither is there a so-called "Covenant of Works" (Adam & Eve) since God did NOT make a covenant with Adam. God gave him a commandment, and he disobeyed it.
 

Nehemiah6

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That is carnal, it is not a biblical identity in Christ.
This is not agreeing to disagree. It is making an unjust accusation against thousands of Christians who are spiritual. So making such an accusation is definitely carnal.