Why I keep the Sabbath FYI.

[gotime]

I like how Paul puts the new covenant:

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

They do by nature the things contained in the law. Its clear which law is being spoken of For Paul goes on about the 10 commandments.

 

[gotime]

In Other words when the gentiles obey the law they show that the law is written on their hearts. Where the Jews who boast in the law did not actually obey it and thus their circumcision is only of the flesh while the Gentiles of the heart.

 

[james57]

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

It is always fascinating when people attack you for keeping the law but when you start a discussion with them about Abraham, they just go of the topic. "The Law" was given to Moses, but Abraham kept it. Romans 4 tells us that Abraham was not saved by the law but through faith. People don't get it. I am not keeping the law for salvation but because I am in covenant with God. The law is God's marriage contract (or covenant).

I can't be married to my wife but sleep around with other women... we have a marriage contract with God the day we accept Him as our Lord and Saviour and we are then in covenant. We are part of His bride and we need to be in covenant with Him. The covenant is written on our hearts, but like you said it is nothing new, it was like that in the days before Moses. Where did Abraham get the law? It was written on his heart... not for his salvation but because of his obedience to ABBA Father

I asked James this question before but he couldn't understand it... and then he told me about the people in his old church... as if that should have any bearing on my faith

Do you keep the law Gandalf? Or do you keep the legalistic law you have chosen to follow but fail to keep the moral law?
Grandpa made an excellent comment. You can try to keep the law and feel you are then doing ok by trying to keep it Or you can see it as obeying to live as God wants you too( something like that) then you see it very differently)

Could you not be specific when you say you obey the law as to which law you actually obey and which law you fail to actually obey
You may give some the wrong impression that you actually manage to obey it all. Is that what you meant?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

The new covenant is also based around marriage principles, which one would expect because new or old the covenants both had vows which are the same and the marriage is based on knowing Him.

THe last supper as I am sure you probably know already is based around the marriage proposal. Then Jesus goes to prepare a place or the marriage chamber. etc etc. I wont go on you probably already know.

but you don't dare tell people that it is all based on a Jewish wedding... they will take you outside and give you a beating

 

[gotime]

but you don't dare tell people that it is all based on a Jewish wedding... they will take you outside and give you a beating

Yes you are right, Because God would never use familiar examples to teach the Jews spiritual lessons

 

[gotime]

If you can't keep Gods law then you are simply a works based christian.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Do you keep the law Gandalf? Or do you keep the legalistic law you have chosen to follow but fail to keep the moral law?
Grandpa made an excellent comment. You can try to keep the law and feel you are then doing ok by trying to keep it Or you can see it as obeying to live as God wants you too( something like that) then you see it very differently)

Could you not be specific when you say you obey the law as to which law you actually obey and which law you fail to actually obey
You may give some the wrong impression that you actually manage to obey it all. Is that what you meant?

James, how specific do you want me to be?

Do you want my daily schedule for the last month or so or would it be ok if I keep it between me and God whatever I tell you will open the door for some abuse from other people because I know that you will never judge you have too much love for that man...

You are welcome to continue in your free for all religion James. Your judgment is between you and God...

 

[james57]

James, how specific do you want me to be?

Do you want my daily schedule for the last month or so or would it be ok if I keep it between me and God whatever I tell you will open the door for some abuse from other people because I know that you will never judge you have too much love for that man...

You are welcome to continue in your free for all religion James. Your judgment is between you and God...

I an not judging you, I am far from perfect.
Thank you for clarifying your position. You faultlessly keep the legalistic law( I assume) but you are not claiming to faultlessly keep the moral law

 

[james57]

James, how specific do you want me to be?

Do you want my daily schedule for the last month or so or would it be ok if I keep it between me and God whatever I tell you will open the door for some abuse from other people because I know that you will never judge you have too much love for that man...

You are welcome to continue in your free for all religion James. Your judgment is between you and God...

As for free for all religion. Every time you mention Thi i will give you the same response. Those I have found who have the least conscience and make the most excuses for a free for all religion of openly breaking the moral law, are those who insist on looking to the literal letter of commands in the bible. Those who do not understand the law I within a christian. They more than others stress the law must be obeyed, and rigidly hold to obeying the legalistic law they have chosen to follow, but then all too often display lives of hypocrisy, wickedness and everything unclean on the inside

 

[gotime]

James, how specific do you want me to be?

Do you want my daily schedule for the last month or so or would it be ok if I keep it between me and God whatever I tell you will open the door for some abuse from other people because I know that you will never judge you have too much love for that man...

You are welcome to continue in your free for all religion James. Your judgment is between you and God...

I don't know if you agree with what I am about tot say, but hear goes.

It astounds me how when you say to keep the law, they say you are working at the law.

But it is really they who work at the law and they can't see it. We are the ones who don't work at the law.

 

[james57]

I don't know if you agree with what I am about tot say, but hear goes.

It astounds me how when you say to keep the law, they say you are working at the law.

But it is really they who work at the law and they can't see it. We are the ones who don't work at the law.

Obviously I cannot speak of you personally but of others I have met most closely associated with your views. Whether you would call it working at the law or not they have been most insistent some legalistic laws be obeyed.
However, much of the moral law they have not worked at/ nor sought to obeyed, and have continually broken it apparently without conscience
That is what baffles me most. Not Tha a christian commits sin, for none are perfect, but some who go to church can break the moral law so openly without conscience.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Ex 16:28 And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Wonder what law God was referring to when he spoke to Moses before Sinai?

Wonder what nation God was referring to when he spoke to Moses before Sinai?

 

[gotime]

Obviously I cannot speak of you personally but of others I have met most closely associated with your views. Whether you would call it working at the law or not they have been most insistent some legalistic laws be obeyed.
However, much of the moral law they have not worked at/ nor sought to obeyed, and have continually broken it apparently without conscience
That is what baffles me most. Not Tha a christian commits sin, for none are perfect, but some who go to church can break the moral law so openly without conscience.

Sad to say you are right that many who have a similar view to mine are in that boat. But the reality is the same on the other side from my experience.

The key is to allow God in by Faith in His promises. People who work at the law fail to reach the requirement of the law. But those who are truly in faith naturally keep the law.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I don't know if you agree with what I am about tot say, but hear goes.

It astounds me how when you say to keep the law, they say you are working at the law.

But it is really they who work at the law and they can't see it. We are the ones who don't work at the law.

You really have become an expert at twisting things around. Please elaborate how is it that people who don't think about the law work at it, whereas those who try to follow the law don't work at it.

 

[james57]

The temptation for many who look to the literal letter is to believe if they obey the legalistic commands/what can be seen by others, they tend to excuse not obeying the literal letter of what cannot plainly be seen by others
Possibly some on Thi thread just believe in their flesh they always have been much purer and holier than I sibce they became christians.
But when i in effect looked to the letter it killed me. I didn't drink, smoke, sleep with women, use foul language, I tithed my money, I went to church twice on a Sunday, as well as Sunday school, I went to prayer meeting and bible study during the week and read my bible
However, I was getting killed/ crushed on the inside because I knew on the inside I could not obey the letter and i didn't have the right to pick and choose which of the letter I obeyed and which i didn't

So much for a free for all religion!

 

[james57]

Sad to say you are right that many who have a similar view to mine are in that boat. But the reality is the same on the other side from my experience.

The key is to allow God in by Faith in His promises. People who work at the law fail to reach the requirement of the law. But those who are truly in faith naturally keep the law.

So you attain to/reach the requirement of the law?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I don't know if you agree with what I am about tot say, but hear goes.

It astounds me how when you say to keep the law, they say you are working at the law.

But it is really they who work at the law and they can't see it. We are the ones who don't work at the law.

The thing is, people will never know I keep the law if they meet me in person because that is between me and God. On this website however it is part of our daily discussion and I feel the need to tell people what I do. If it turns into an argument (like I normally does) I will give them my side of the story.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Wonder what nation God was referring to when he spoke to Moses before Sinai?

Ag please, not this again. I am not going around in circles for the sake of my own sanity.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

The temptation for many who look to the literal letter is to believe if they obey the legalistic commands/what can be seen by others, they tend to excuse not obeying the literal letter of what cannot plainly be seen by others
Possibly some on Thi thread just believe in their flesh they always have been much purer and holier than I sibce they became christians.
But when i in effect looked to the letter it killed me. I didn't drink, smoke, sleep with women, use foul language, I tithed my money, I went to church twice on a Sunday, as well as Sunday school, I went to prayer meeting and bible study during the week and read my bible
However, I was getting killed/ crushed on the inside because I knew on the inside I could not obey the letter and i didn't have the right to pick and choose which of the letter I obeyed and which i didn't

So much for a free for all religion!

The problem with what you are explaining is that you were looking for salvation in the law.

I am looking for relationship in the law. Almost like a fast. You do it to get closer to God. You meditate on Him and force your nature closer to God's will. It is a covenant between me and God and not only the literal letter of the Bible but also relationship through the Spirit.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The thing is, people will never know I keep the law if they meet me in person because that is between me and God. On this website however it is part of our daily discussion and I feel the need to tell people what I do. If it turns into an argument (like I normally does) I will give them my side of the story.

I think it would be helpful for you, and everyone else, to realize that you don't really keep the law (no man does), but attempting to do so somehow makes you feel like you are being closer to GOD.