Why I keep the Sabbath FYI.
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I think he was making a distinction between following the law and keeping it. If I understand correctly, he follows the law in order to acknowledge that he can't keep it, and 'trusts' Christ to forgive him when he can't. That's not faith in the cross. That's trusting in the law and using Christ as a get-out-of-jail-free card, or a mulligan, when he fails.
Again, that wasn't my impression. Hopefully go time will clarify/let us know which has better understood what he was saying:
'''You assume that because we preach the law that we try to keep it. People who try fail, we have the Jewish example to show that is true.
Its not about trying its about acknowledging the standard, acknowledging we can't get there and acknowledging Gods Grace can get us there.
People who talk about how they fall short are focused on the letter and their falling short is proof of that fact. They fall short because they are still walking in the flesh. Once one walks in the spirit they are freed from the flesh. This is done by faith in the promises found in Jesus. Falling short shows that it is you, when one overcomes temptation and sin they shew fourth the righteousness of Jesus in them. They are living lights of the power of God wrought in Humanity.
Obedience was and is not about what humans can or should do, It has always been about trusting God. Those who do so will attain.'''
'''You assume that because we preach the law that we try to keep it. People who try fail, we have the Jewish example to show that is true.
Its not about trying its about acknowledging the standard, acknowledging we can't get there and acknowledging Gods Grace can get us there.
People who talk about how they fall short are focused on the letter and their falling short is proof of that fact. They fall short because they are still walking in the flesh. Once one walks in the spirit they are freed from the flesh. This is done by faith in the promises found in Jesus. Falling short shows that it is you, when one overcomes temptation and sin they shew fourth the righteousness of Jesus in them. They are living lights of the power of God wrought in Humanity.
Obedience was and is not about what humans can or should do, It has always been about trusting God. Those who do so will attain.'''
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gotime believes, or at least has implied he believes, that not observing the 4th commandment is sin. That sounds like more than just acknowledging he can't keep the law; he feels a compunction to follow it. People who acknowledge and really believe that they can't keep the law cease from trying, and rest in the finished work of the cross. People who don't know this, are not resting, but trying to do the law.
You are trying to keep it.
This whole thread is an explanation of you working at the 4th commandment in a carnal way by your carnal understanding.
You can't point everyone back to the law and say 'see' this is what we must do and then say simultaneously that you aren't trying to do it but are trusting in God.
The two statements contradict. You are working. Or God is working. You are keeping or God is causing.
Ephesians 2:10 [SUP] [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
This whole thread is an explanation of you working at the 4th commandment in a carnal way by your carnal understanding.
You can't point everyone back to the law and say 'see' this is what we must do and then say simultaneously that you aren't trying to do it but are trusting in God.
The two statements contradict. You are working. Or God is working. You are keeping or God is causing.
Ephesians 2:10 [SUP] [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Romans 14:23 [SUP] [/SUP]And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Uh-oh. Transgressing the law is sin. Transgressing faith by working at the law is also sin.
Now what?
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Uh-oh. Transgressing the law is sin. Transgressing faith by working at the law is also sin.
Now what?
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
I have immense respect for what you write Grandpa, but I am not sure why you have written/quoted what you have in the above in response to my comment.
Go time has previously stated on this website he believes the christian can attain to sinless perfection and he is not aware of any sin in his life
Due to his beliefs that he keeps stating he is stating he is unaware as to breaking any of Gods laws in his life.
But yes, I do believe sin is defined as transgression of the law for john wrote that whilst living under the new covenant. I also know Jesus died for all our sins at Calvary, past, present and future
Go time has previously stated on this website he believes the christian can attain to sinless perfection and he is not aware of any sin in his life
Due to his beliefs that he keeps stating he is stating he is unaware as to breaking any of Gods laws in his life.
But yes, I do believe sin is defined as transgression of the law for john wrote that whilst living under the new covenant. I also know Jesus died for all our sins at Calvary, past, present and future
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Its strange people fixate on the ten commandments. You could perfectly obey them all( if that were possible) and still be condemned to hell. There is nothing I those commandments about forgiving others, but Jesus said if you don't forgive, God will not forgive you.
A good example I believe of trusting the inner conviction ad to what God requires of you rather than focusing on the letter
A good example I believe of trusting the inner conviction ad to what God requires of you rather than focusing on the letter
No it isn't wrong. All too often when people have beliefs opposed to the wording of scripture they want to go to the Greek, or another translation.
Sin is transgression of the law now as it was in OT times.
If you are lawless you have transgresses the law.
Every minister I know accepts sin is transgression of the law and most of them went to bible college
Sin is transgression of the law now as it was in OT times.
If you are lawless you have transgresses the law.
Every minister I know accepts sin is transgression of the law and most of them went to bible college
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The original text says what it says. Anyone can look at it and see > 1 John 3:4 Greek Text Analysis
If GOD wrote the law of Moses in your heart, then you sin every time you work on Saturdays.
If GOD wrote the law of Moses in your heart, then you sin every time you work on Saturdays.
If a christian commits adultery, will they have conviction they have committed sin?
If a christian stole something, would they have conviction they have committed sin?
If a christian bears false witness will they have conviction they have sinned?
I would. Does that make me a legalist with error of the Gospel message?
Why do I have conviction of my sin?
Well I could say because I have been lawless or transgressed the law, placed on my heart either would do. Does Thi make me believe in a works based gospel?
Should i have no conscience at all I I lie, steal, kill commit adultery?
Their sins and lawless deeds(could easily be written as transgressions of the law) I will remember no more
James tells us to confess our sins one to another. How does James define sin? Simply as failing to love, or being lawlsss/ transgressing the law on our hearts
John says if we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth I not in us.
Is John solely referring to a lack of faith?
Or does he consider sin to have another definition?
I'm a simple chap. If you are lawless you can be said to transgress the law
The KJV is supposed to be the most reputed translation of the bible into English. Did those 54 scholars really make such a terrible mistake and mislead people in 1john3:4? no one has ever previously told me they did
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I'm not saying GOD's law isn't written on our hearts. I'm just saying that it can't be the 10 commandments, because our conscience would convict us when we work on Saturdays. It doesn't, so it must be some other law, even though it's still GOD's law.
Obviously, numerous translators don't think the KJV has it right.
New International Version
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
New Living Translation
Everyone who sins is breaking God's law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.
English Standard Version
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
Berean Study Bible
Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.
Berean Literal Bible
Everyone committing sin also commits lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
New American Standard Bible
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
King James Bible
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Everyone who commits sin also breaks the law; sin is the breaking of law.
International Standard Version
Everyone who keeps living in sin also practices disobedience. In fact, sin is disobedience.
NET Bible
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; indeed, sin is lawlessness.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But whoever commits sin commits evil, for sin is entirely evil.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.
New American Standard 1977
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
Jubilee Bible 2000
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
King James 2000 Bible
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
American King James Version
Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
American Standard Version
Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whosoever committeth sin commmitteth also iniquity; and sin is iniquity.
Darby Bible Translation
Every one that practises sin practises also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
English Revised Version
Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness: and sin is lawlessness.
Webster's Bible Translation
Whoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law; for sin is the transgression of the law.
Weymouth New Testament
Every one who is guilty of sin is also guilty of violating Law; for sin is the violation of Law.
World English Bible
Everyone who sins also commits lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness.
Young's Literal Translation
Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness,
Obviously, numerous translators don't think the KJV has it right.
New International Version
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
New Living Translation
Everyone who sins is breaking God's law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.
English Standard Version
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
Berean Study Bible
Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.
Berean Literal Bible
Everyone committing sin also commits lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
New American Standard Bible
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
King James Bible
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Everyone who commits sin also breaks the law; sin is the breaking of law.
International Standard Version
Everyone who keeps living in sin also practices disobedience. In fact, sin is disobedience.
NET Bible
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; indeed, sin is lawlessness.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But whoever commits sin commits evil, for sin is entirely evil.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.
New American Standard 1977
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
Jubilee Bible 2000
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
King James 2000 Bible
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
American King James Version
Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
American Standard Version
Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whosoever committeth sin commmitteth also iniquity; and sin is iniquity.
Darby Bible Translation
Every one that practises sin practises also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
English Revised Version
Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness: and sin is lawlessness.
Webster's Bible Translation
Whoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law; for sin is the transgression of the law.
Weymouth New Testament
Every one who is guilty of sin is also guilty of violating Law; for sin is the violation of Law.
World English Bible
Everyone who sins also commits lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness.
Young's Literal Translation
Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness,