Why I keep the Sabbath FYI.

[james57]

I'm not saying GOD's law isn't written on our hearts. I'm just saying that it can't be the 10 commandments, because our conscience would convict us when we work on Saturdays. It doesn't, so it must be some other law, even though it's still GOD's law.

Obviously, numerous translators don't think the KJV has it right.

New International Version
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

New Living Translation
Everyone who sins is breaking God's law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.

English Standard Version
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

Berean Study Bible
Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.

Berean Literal Bible
Everyone committing sin also commits lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

New American Standard Bible
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

King James Bible
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Everyone who commits sin also breaks the law; sin is the breaking of law.

International Standard Version
Everyone who keeps living in sin also practices disobedience. In fact, sin is disobedience.

NET Bible
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; indeed, sin is lawlessness.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But whoever commits sin commits evil, for sin is entirely evil.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.

New American Standard 1977
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

King James 2000 Bible
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

American King James Version
Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

American Standard Version
Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whosoever committeth sin commmitteth also iniquity; and sin is iniquity.

Darby Bible Translation
Every one that practises sin practises also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

English Revised Version
Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness: and sin is lawlessness.

Webster's Bible Translation
Whoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law; for sin is the transgression of the law.

Weymouth New Testament
Every one who is guilty of sin is also guilty of violating Law; for sin is the violation of Law.

World English Bible
Everyone who sins also commits lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness.

Young's Literal Translation
Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness,

If I have added I up right, six say sin is the transgression of the law, one says sin is violating the law and the rest say sin is lawlessness. You know you may despair at me, but this isn't my kind of christianity, going through twenty or more different translations of the bible. In this instance I could then spend ages contemplating lawlessness and transgression of the law and which one i should pick. I would just end up with a headache!
For me they all in reality mean the same thing. I do not believe the definition of sin changed from old to new covenant. Sin is lawlessness and transgression of the law and violation of the law, in my view.

I accept what you say about using the term the ten commandments for the law on our hearts. I believe nine of them must be on our hearts along with much other things ( forgiving others for one). But they are not there in a legalistic sense. While we are following after the holy spirit we never think of any of them do we. The conscience comes when we do not follow after the holy spirit but the flesh, then we are convicted by the law within us

 

[DiscipleDave]

i accidentally removed my subscription from this thread, only writing this to get it back.

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[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If I have added I up right, six say sin is the transgression of the law, one says sin is violating the law and the rest say sin is lawlessness. You know you may despair at me, but this isn't my kind of christianity, going through twenty or more different translations of the bible. In this instance I could then spend ages contemplating lawlessness and transgression of the law and which one i should pick. I would just end up with a headache!
For me they all in reality mean the same thing. I do not believe the definition of sin changed from old to new covenant. Sin is lawlessness and transgression of the law and violation of the law, in my view.

I accept what you say about using the term the ten commandments for the law on our hearts. I believe nine of them must be on our hearts along with much other things ( forgiving others for one). But they are not there in a legalistic sense. While we are following after the holy spirit we never think of any of them do we. The conscience comes when we do not follow after the holy spirit but the flesh, then we are convicted by the law within us

I don't use formal translations at all except to post here. I use interlinears so that I can actually see what was written.

No, I don't pay much attention to the 10 commandments. Dividing between soul and spirit is a full time job, and the 10 commandments just aren't cut out for that kind of work. They help at times, but that's all.

For the word of God [is] living and active and sharper than any double-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, both joints and marrow, and able to judge the reflections and thoughts of the heart. And no creature is hidden in the sight of him, but all [things are] naked and laid bare to the eyes of him to whom we must give our account. Hebrews 4:12-13​

 

[james57]

I don't use formal translations at all except to post here. I use interlinears so that I can actually see what was written.

No, I don't pay much attention to the 10 commandments. Dividing between soul and spirit is a full time job, and the 10 commandments just aren't cut out for that kind of work. They help at times, but that's all.

For the word of God [is] living and active and sharper than any double-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, both joints and marrow, and able to judge the reflections and thoughts of the heart. And no creature is hidden in the sight of him, but all [things are] naked and laid bare to the eyes of him to whom we must give our account. Hebrews 4:12-13​

The translation I learnt of grace from was the living bible, hardly for purists. But my main concentration wasn't on the particular translation I was reading, but trusting the holy spirit to lead me into truth when I was reading the bible.

As I said , we don't think of the commandments when we are following after the holy spirit do we, the conviction comes when we dont

 

[kohelet]

I don't use formal translations at all except to post here. I use interlinears so that I can actually see what was written.

Is this enough though, HeRose? Wouldn't you need to have a good knowledge, not only of the vocabulary and grammar, but also of the syntax and what not?

 

[Grandpa]

I have immense respect for what you write Grandpa, but I am not sure why you have written/quoted what you have in the above in response to my comment.
Go time has previously stated on this website he believes the christian can attain to sinless perfection and he is not aware of any sin in his life
Due to his beliefs that he keeps stating he is stating he is unaware as to breaking any of Gods laws in his life.

But yes, I do believe sin is defined as transgression of the law for john wrote that whilst living under the new covenant. I also know Jesus died for all our sins at Calvary, past, present and future

I was showing that sin is not only transgression of the law but also whatever is not of faith is also sin.

Then in Galatians it says that the law is not of faith. So then those who work at the law, and think they are sinless, are in fact not.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Is this enough though, HeRose? Wouldn't you need to have a good knowledge, not only of the vocabulary and grammar, but also of the syntax and what not?

Sometimes there are difficult passages, but 95% of the time an interlinear with strong's numbers and lexicon(s) is sufficient. More than sufficient. My understanding is light-years beyond what it used to be when I just used a King James. It's really not that hard to use once you get used to it.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The translation I learnt of grace from was the living bible, hardly for purists. But my main concentration wasn't on the particular translation I was reading, but trusting the holy spirit to lead me into truth when I was reading the bible.

As I said , we don't think of the commandments when we are following after the holy spirit do we, the conviction comes when we dont

Sometimes the holy spirit leading you into all truth is a brother saying, "That's not what it really says in the Greek/Hebrew".

 

[kohelet]

Sometimes there are difficult passages, but 95% of the time an interlinear with strong's numbers and lexicon(s) is sufficient. More than sufficient. My understanding is light-years beyond what it used to be when I just used a King James. It's really not that hard to use once you get used to it.

Yes, and if it's necessary to look more closely at the construction, we can consult a more advanced grammar.

 

[james57]

Sometimes the holy spirit leading you into all truth is a brother saying, "That's not what it really says in the Greek/Hebrew".

Then the holy spirit cannot fully work through English translations, Hs is limited in that regard to the Greek translation? We will have to agree to disagree-again.
As I haven't been convinced lawlessness does not mean transgression of the law in respect of 1john 3:4 I guess one of us is being led into truth in that regard and one is not. One day we will fully know, now we only know in part

 

[james57]

BTW, as a point of interest. Can anyone tell me why the translators of the KJV chose to translate from the peshitta and not the Greek?

 

[weakness]

So here is why I keep the Sabbath, and guess what it is not because the 4th commandment says so. Don't get me wrong the 4th commandment did play a role in why I keep the Sabbath but it is not the reason I keep the Sabbath.

Let me explain,

See I know the Law shows us sin as it is written:


Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

So the law does not save or justify but gives us or shows us what sin is.

So why then is the 4th commandment there? here is what it says:
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

So sin is not remembering to keep the Sabbath Holy, but why? what is so important about this 7th day Sabbath that makes it sin not to keep it? The answer I find is in the commandment itself as it is written:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

So the reason is because God created and on this day he rested/stopped and blessed this day and sanctified it or set it apart for Holy use.

This sparked my interest, out of all the 10 commandments 9 of them make sense as sin, don't kill, steal, put God first etc. They all make sense, but the one commandment that makes the least sense is the 4th why keep the 7th day Holy? This is why in verse 11 God gives us a reason.

God wants us to know why it is sin not to keep the 7th day Sabbath, he wants us to understand that the reason He wants us to keep it Holy is because that was the day He made Holy, that He blessed after making the heavens and the earth and us.

So I went back to see this and just as the commandment says so I found as it is written:
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

So suddenly I realized that this day did not become holy when God gave the commandment, but was already holy right back at the beginning before sin even came to this world. And it was Holy because God made it so. This day was special because it was made by God to be Holy to be set apart. Its not different because of a law, its different because God made it so.

What then is the purpose of the law on this point? It serves as a reminder, a call to remember that the day is holy because God made it so as it is written:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

So the law did exactly what it was meant to do, it pointed out what was sin by showing what was good.

The 7th day Sabbath needs no law to apply because all the commandment does is remind us of the fact that the 7th day was made holy from the beginning. It calls us to remember that it is set apart from other days by God because He rested on that day and made it special.

So you may be wondering, why many who keep the Sabbath use the 4th commandment so much when talking to those who do not keep it. The answer is simple, It is the commandment that points out sin by what is good. To those who break it the law serves to remind and point them to the unchangeable fact that the 7th day has been Holy right back from the foundation of the world.

The law only serves to remind us and point us to why we should be keeping the Sabbath.

I think that God set every thing in order to operate and could rest. But Jesus also said when confronted by the religious for healing on the sabbath, not to say take up your bed and walk, Jesus said ,hither to my father works and so do I. It says the sabbath was made for us ,not us for the sabbath. What really is the sabbath? It is resting in God's finished works.That's what the Exodus thing was about,they couldn't rest in what God was doing for them.He clothed them fed them gave meat ,manna,good water,ect.But they just had to do their own thing. Jesus did the same for the apostles, sent them out with one coat ,no purse ,no sword,stayed where they landed,Took care of all their needs and both have bearing on each other,He sent them out again and told them to take those things. I am on hospice now and stuck in bed. The hardest thing for me to do is stay in bed and do nothing. I read and stuff but I want to do something that I can't. I can't just trust God and let him minister to me. Same way when serving God, the flesh wants to go,go,go, even though it can't do the work of God.We are seated in heavenly places with him, but can we rest in him?and with him?Till our enimies be made our foot stool.

 

[james57]

. My understanding is light-years beyond what it used to be when I just used a King James. .

It is a strange thing, but most of the ministers in the pulpits have at least read the Greek NT and I am sure referenced interlinears with strings numbers, and yet I have never personally heard preached by any of these people the christian faith stands on two core points- not one. The problem then is, people tend to ignore much of what Paul wrote in regard to having a righteousness apart from the law because no one explained to them how the licence to sin was removed under the new covenant.
What could be more important in the christian faith than understanding why sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under grace( rom6:14) yet I have never heard any minister explain that verse who has read the greek text.
Nor have i heard any of these ministers explain why sinful passions are aroused in us by the law I we live under it(rom7:5&rom7:7:8. So I am not sure exactly how people are advancing where it matters most by relying on reading the Greek. Half empty churches would appear to endorse that view.

 

[Brother_Don]

KJ21
Thou art near, O Lord, and all Thy commandments are truth.

ASV
Thou art nigh, O Jehovah; And all thy commandments are truth.

AMP
You are near, O Lord, And all Your commandments are truth.

AMPC
You are near, O Lord [nearer to me than my foes], and all Your commandments are truth.

BRG
Thou art near, O Lord; and all thy commandments are truth.

CEB
But you, Lord, are nearby too, and all your commandments are true.

CJB
You are close by, Adonai; and all your mitzvot are truth.

CEV
but you are with me, and all of your commands can be trusted.

DARBY
Thou, Jehovah, art near, and all thy commandments are truth.

ERV
But you are near me, Lord, and all your commands can be trusted.

ESV
But you are near, O Lord, and all your commandments are true.

ESVUK
But you are near, O Lord, and all your commandments are true.

EXB
But, Lord, you are also near, and all your commands are ·true [faithful].

GNV
Thou art near, O Lord: for all thy commandments are true.

GW
You are near, O Lord, and all your commandments are reliable.

GNT
But you are near to me, Lord, and all your commands are permanent.

HCSB
You are near, Lord, and all Your commands are true.

ICB
But, Lord, you are also near. And all your commands are true.

ISV
You are near, Lord, and all of your commands are true.

JUB
Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.

KJV
Thou art near, O Lord; and all thy commandments are truth.

AKJV
Thou art near, O Lord; and all thy commandments are truth.

LEB
You are near, O Yahweh, and all your commands are truth.

TLB
but you are near, O Lord; all your commandments are based on truth.

MSG
I call out at the top of my lungs, “God! Answer! I’ll do whatever you say.” I called to you, “Save me so I can carry out all your instructions.” I was up before sunrise, crying for help, hoping for a word from you. I stayed awake all night, prayerfully pondering your promise. In your love, listen to me; in your justice, God, keep me alive. As those out to get me come closer and closer, they go farther and farther from the truth you reveal; But you’re the closest of all to me, God, and all your judgments true. I’ve known all along from the evidence of your words that you meant them to last forever. Psalm 119:151

 

[Brother_Don]

MEV
But You are near, O Lord, and all Your commandments are true.

NOG
You are near, O Yahweh, and all your commandments are reliable.

NABRE
You are near, O Lord; reliable are all your commandments.

NASB
You are near, O Lord, And all Your commandments are truth.

NCV
But, Lord, you are also near, and all your commands are true.

NET
You are near, O Lord, and all your commands are reliable.

NIRV
But Lord, you are near. All your commands are true.

NIV
Yet you are near, Lord, and all your commands are true.

NIVUK
Yet you are near, Lord, and all your commands are true.

NKJV
You are near, O Lord, And all Your commandments are truth.

NLV
You are near, O Lord. And all of Your Word is truth.

NLT
But you are near, O Lord, and all your commands are true.

NRSV
Yet you are near, O Lord, and all your commandments are true.

NRSVA
Yet you are near, O Lord, and all your commandments are true.

NRSVACE
Yet you are near, O Lord, and all your commandments are true.

NRSVCE
Yet you are near, O Lord, and all your commandments are true.

OJB
Thou art karov (near), Hashem; and all Thy mitzvot are emes.

RSV
But thou art near, O Lord, and all thy commandments are true.

RSVCE
But thou art near, O Lord, and all thy commandments are true.

VOICE
But You are near me, O Eternal One, and all You have commanded is true.

WEB
You are near, Yahweh. All your commandments are truth.

WYC
Lord, thou art nigh; and all thy ways be truth. (Lord, thou art near; and all thy commandments be true.)

YLT
Near [art] Thou, O Jehovah, And all Thy commands [are] truth.

 

[james57]

And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for they say, ‘The old is better Luke 5:39 NIV

And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for they say, “The old is better NIV(UK)

And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately[SUP][f][/SUP] desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better NKJV

[SUP] [/SUP]No one wants new wine after drinking old wine. He says, ‘The old wine is better NLV

[SUP]39 [/SUP]But no one who drinks the old wine seems to want the new wine. ‘The old is just fine,’ they say NLT

And no one after drinking old wine desires new wine, but says, ‘The old is good.’ NRSV

And no one having drunk the old desires the chadash (new), for he says, The alter (old) is besere (better OJB

And no man drinking the old, will at once the new; for he saith, The old is the better WYC

And no man having drunk old wine desireth new; for he saith, The old is good. ASV

And no one after drinking old wine immediately desires new wine, for he says, The old is good or [SUP][p][/SUP]better AMPC

And you don't want new wine after drinking old wine. ‘The old is better,’ you say GNT

Of course, nobody who has been drinking old wine will want the new at once. He is sure to say, ‘The old is a good sound wine PHILLIPS

No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better KJV

 

[Brother_Don]

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[Brother_Don]

For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

 

[james57]

We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. [SUP]9 [/SUP]We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, [SUP]10 [/SUP]for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine [SUP]11 [/SUP]that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
1TIM1:8-11

 

[Brother_Don]

…being justified freely by His grace… —Romans 3:24


The gospel of the grace of God awakens an intense longing in human souls and an equally intense resentment, because the truth that it reveals is not palatable or easy to swallow. There is a certain pride in people that causes them to give and give, but to come and accept a gift is another thing. I will give my life to martyrdom; I will dedicate my life to service— I will do anything. But do not humiliate me to the level of the most hell-deserving sinner and tell me that all I have to do is accept the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.
We have to realize that we cannot earn or win anything from God through our own efforts. We must either receive it as a gift or do without it. The greatest spiritual blessing we receive is when we come to the knowledge that we are destitute. Until we get there, our Lord is powerless. He can do nothing for us as long as we think we are sufficient in and of ourselves. We must enter into His kingdom through the door of destitution. As long as we are “rich,” particularly in the area of pride or independence, God can do nothing for us. It is only when we get hungry spiritually that we receive the Holy Spirit. The gift of the essential nature of God is placed and made effective in us by the Holy Spirit. He imparts to us the quickening life of Jesus, making us truly alive. He takes that which was “beyond” us and places it “within” us. And immediately, once “the beyond” has come “within,” it rises up to “the above,” and we are lifted into the kingdom where Jesus lives and reigns (see John 3:5).