Why is dispensationalism seen as a heresy?

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Bladerunner

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Not being formally edumacated, I didn't know what all the titles and labels surrounding Scripture were til I joined here. Calvinism, Arminianism, TULIP, and many others

But your post is pretty close to what I believe.

I don't understand how reformed take the Bible literally around issues like eternal security, but not when it comes to prophecy.

Is there a hybrid label. Lol. That's what I am.
What you have out there is the Reformed Church and the Reformed Theology....they are different.
 

Bladerunner

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So the question arises for those anti=dispensationists:

How did people receive eternal salvation throughout these different time periods? What did they have to do in order to be "saved"? How was the blood of Jesus applied throughout these different time periods? By believing in the death, burial and resurrection? By believing and doing what God gave them at that time?

By the Grace of GOD!
 

Nehemiah6

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I had a post ahhhh....jez heck with it, AND this tradition of man dispensationalism. It sucks! Just "oraganized apostasy", so workers of iniquity, could get themselves established in church hierarchy. Go "sell' your snake oil to someone else! Cuz, I ain't buyin' it!
Tradition of man???
Organized apostasy????
Snake oil?????
I ain't buyin' it??????

Did you incorrectly post this in this thread, when it belongs to the one regarding the Catholic Church?
 

Nehemiah6

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I believe that all prophesy has been or will be literally fulfilled. I am NOT a dispensationalist. Therefore I can't accept your premise that only Dispensationalism which sees the literal fulfillment of those prophecies.
Marc,
Perhaps you are the exception, but those who try to interpret prophecies as allegorical, symbolical, or the book of Revelation as already fulfilled just cause more and more confusion. There is no question that Dispensationalists bring clarity to the issue (and we are not talking about the lunatic fringe). As eternally-grateful says, there will always be wackos, but they should not be taken as representative. All these date-setters, blood-moon gazers, etc. are probably not even Dispensationalists.
 

EarnestQ

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What I see as heretical is the most fundamental distintion of Dispensationalism - that the church and Israel are seperate. This is claimed by both Walvoord and Ryrie, two definers of mordern Dispensationalism. John Darby knew this distinction had to exist in order to justify the pre-trib rapture. .... P .... (I have to do this for paragraphs because this computer or CC is not allowing me to use actual paragraph seperations.) .... P .... The pre-trib rapture existed in late 1820s England. John Darby got wind of it at the Powerscourt Prophesy Conferences in the early 1830s and developed Dispensationalism to justify it. .... P .... Dispensationalism says there are two peoples of God. This is because a plain reading of Mt 24 contradicts the pre-trib rapture. If there are two peoples of God then Mt 24 can apply to Israel and not the church. .... P .... But this leads them to propose that the Jews are saved under the Old Covenant Law - which is heresy according to Paul in Galations. .... P .... The Jews (Israel) are saved the same way the church is - through faith in God. True Dispensationalism says they are saved by following the Old Covenant Laws. This is heresy.
 
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Originally Posted by John146

So the question arises for those anti=dispensationists:

How did people receive eternal salvation throughout these different time periods? What did they have to do in order to be "saved"? How was the blood of Jesus applied throughout these different time periods? By believing in the death, burial and resurrection? By believing and doing what God gave them at that time?
Exactly, By believing and doing what God gave them at that time as he worked in them..Therefore making it possible for them to exercise or work out their new faith .....not coming after the imgination of thier own natural unconverted hearts (dead faith)

God is no repecter of person and He saves a Jew in the same way he says a Gentile by working in them puryifing the hearts of all men in all nations through a work of faith that comes from hearing his voice, the word of God

What they did in order to get saved is to belive God as the faith of God worked in them to both will and do His good pleasure.

Sperating the Jews from the gentiles or time periods as if he worked diffiferntly from one day to the next I would think creates another gospel other than the one that is circumvented in its entirety as it is written
 

John146

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Exactly, By believing and doing what God gave them at that time as he worked in them..Therefore making it possible for them to exercise or work out their new faith .....not coming after the imgination of thier own natural unconverted hearts (dead faith)

God is no repecter of person and He saves a Jew in the same way he says a Gentile by working in them puryifing the hearts of all men in all nations through a work of faith that comes from hearing his voice, the word of God

What they did in order to get saved is to belive God as the faith of God worked in them to both will and do His good pleasure.

Sperating the Jews from the gentiles or time periods as if he worked diffiferntly from one day to the next I would think creates another gospel other than the one that is circumvented in its entirety as it is written
The only way unto salvation is through the blood of Jesus Christ, but how Christ's blood was and is applied may vary. Those before the cross did not receive Christ's blood by believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Those before the cross were to trust God and obey His word in whatever He gave them in their time. After the work of the cross, we are to believe on the death, burial and resurrection for sins to receive salvation.
 

NayborBear

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Tradition of man???
Organized apostasy????
Snake oil?????
I ain't buyin' it??????

Did you incorrectly post this in this thread, when it belongs to the one regarding the Catholic Church?
You be thinking the catholic church is the only religious organization "guilty" of such a "tradition of man?"

And, no. I posted this right where it was intended.
 
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everyone is dispensational they just dont know it.
if u werent ud be building an ark right now. everybody puts bible truths in the proper timeline to some extent.

if u dont rightly divide the word of truth u will always make a mess of the bible.
 

Nehemiah6

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You be thinking the catholic church is the only religious organization "guilty" of such a "tradition of man?"

And, no. I posted this right where it was intended.
Since Dispensationalism is NOT a religious organization but a method of interpreting Scripture, not only are you dead wrong but you are making a FALSE ACCUSATION against genuine Christians. That is called bearing false witness.
 

valiant

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Dispensationalism is not a heresy. it is merely a wrong interpretation of Scripture. Man has always been saved in the same way, by faith in and through the blood of Christ. In the Old Testament this was applied by the shedding of blood which pointed forward to Christ's redemption (Rom 3.24-25). But it was Christ's redemption that saved them. There is no other way of salvation. It is solely through faith, They 'believed God and it was counted to them as righteousness' from Adam, through Abraham and to the present day..
 

NayborBear

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Since Dispensationalism is NOT a religious organization but a method of interpreting Scripture, not only are you dead wrong but you are making a FALSE ACCUSATION against genuine Christians. That is called bearing false witness.
Well?...Since you put it "that" way? Does not using the term "method of translating Scripture" raise any flags betweenst yer ears? Does this not reek of tradition? To you? It should!


But? That's OK, brother! You keep on preaching from the ditch! And carry as many of your "genuine" Christians with you, as you see fit! Goodly intenetions, does not an Holy Priesthood make!
 

Bladerunner

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Dispensationalism is not a heresy. it is merely a wrong interpretation of Scripture. Man has always been saved in the same way, by faith in and through the blood of Christ. In the Old Testament this was applied by the shedding of blood which pointed forward to Christ's redemption (Rom 3.24-25). But it was Christ's redemption that saved them. There is no other way of salvation. It is solely through faith, They 'believed God and it was counted to them as righteousness' from Adam, through Abraham and to the present day..
But do you know the hows and whys