Why is there pleasure in sin?

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It not what I insist, it what scripture teaches, there wont be a future pre-trib rapture, the truth In Love.
Yes, I know you cannot see beyond your own interpretation. Anyway, its irrelevant to this topic.
 
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I agree with all but the highlighted. We are both sinners by choice and because of the fact that we were born with a sin nature. Regardless of our nature, we have a choice. We are not forced to sin; we choose to sin. In some cases, we sin out of ignorance, but in others we choose to sin. That is on us.
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
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10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
IF we know something is is sin and we do it anyway, then we are in A LOST position, till YESUAH BRINGS us to repent OF that SIN, AND get us back on the straight PATH, And IF we don't REPENT OF that SIN, AND GET IT under the BLOOD we will BE LOST, with the rest of the world, SO YES WE DO HAVE A CHOSE NOT TO SIN, OF ALL THE SINS THAT WE KNOW OF, BUT GOD WILL NOT JUDGE US OF THOSE SINS THAT GOD HAS NOT SHOWED US THAT IS SIN. FOR HE will judge US BY what we KNOW and DO
 

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Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
HEBREWS
10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
IF we know something is is sin and we do it anyway, then we are in A LOST position, till YESUAH BRINGS us to repent OF that SIN, AND get us back on the straight PATH, And IF we don't REPENT OF that SIN, AND GET IT under the BLOOD we will BE LOST, with the rest of the world, SO YES WE DO HAVE A CHOSE NOT TO SIN, OF ALL THE SINS THAT WE KNOW OF, BUT GOD WILL NOT JUDGE US OF THOSE SINS THAT GOD HAS NOT SHOWED US THAT IS SIN. FOR HE will judge US BY what we KNOW and DO
These verse tell me that you can choose God. But Whats it got to do with choosing to be sinful? We are born sinful.
 

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The world of true pleasure, of deep joy, peace, contentment, abundance, love and the joy that brings to us, lies in following the laws of the Lord.

The path of following the thrills of the fresh, the lusts of the body is the path to addiction and bondage. It is even a choice between living in paradise eternally with the Lord and having our life cut off with only living a life in the flesh.

Temporary thrills and eternal paradise. Joy verse thrills. It is an easy choice.
 

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These verse tell me that you can choose God. But Whats it got to do with choosing to be sinful? We are born sinful.
People get how the Lord sees sin so mixed up! Some say if God won't save me if I try not to sin, why try? Or if you obey the Lord you aren't trusting God for salvation, so go ahead and sin. The Lord tells us that if you love me (and trust) you will obey me. How could choosing not to repent of sin be part of loving and following the Lord?
 
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These verse tell me that you can choose God. But Whats it got to do with choosing to be sinful? We are born sinful.
We are NOT born sinners, THAT would BE blaming GOD for your sins, WE have the dependency to sin, when we are Born, WE do not even know what sin is when we are Born, Sin is disobeying GOD'S commandment's. The commandment's SHOW US our sins, THEN WE haft to MAKE THE CHOICE TO SIN, OR NOT TO SIN. GOD gives US A choice, to obey , or not to obey
 

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People get how the Lord sees sin so mixed up! Some say if God won't save me if I try not to sin, why try? Or if you obey the Lord you aren't trusting God for salvation, so go ahead and sin. The Lord tells us that if you love me (and trust) you will obey me. How could choosing not to repent of sin be part of loving and following the Lord?
We have imputed Righteousness does does not mean we will not sin. Sin will not be eradicated in any believer until the kingdom has come.
 

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We are NOT born sinners, THAT would BE blaming GOD for your sins, WE have the dependency to sin, when we are Born, WE do not even know what sin is when we are Born, Sin is disobeying GOD'S commandment's. The commandment's SHOW US our sins, THEN WE haft to MAKE THE CHOICE TO SIN, OR NOT TO SIN. GOD gives US A choice, to obey , or not to obey
Every person is born in sin. The only way to have imputed righteousness is to accept Jesus. Excepting Jesus does not make you with out sin. The flesh will always be weak until the kingdom comes.
 
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I agree with all but the highlighted. We are both sinners by choice and because of the fact that we were born with a sin nature. Regardless of our nature, we have a choice. We are not forced to sin; we choose to sin. In some cases, we sin out of ignorance, but in others we choose to sin. That is on us.
Paul said even on our best day our works are as filthy rags.
Ever try not to sin? Now that goes for thought word and deed. Jesus said to be perfect as the father is perfect.
Even the entertainment of sin is a trespass. Jesus expressed that in the sermon on the mount.
Even in the book of bob 34:12 road rage is included....lol
We are not forced for sure...it comes naturally.
 

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We are NOT born sinners, THAT would BE blaming GOD for your sins, WE have the dependency to sin, when we are Born, WE do not even know what sin is when we are Born, Sin is disobeying GOD'S commandment's. The commandment's SHOW US our sins, THEN WE haft to MAKE THE CHOICE TO SIN, OR NOT TO SIN. GOD gives US A choice, to obey , or not to obey
Being born with sin is not blaming God. It’s excepting reality that Adam and Eve sinned and it’s been passed down through the generations. An evil thought can be considered as sin therefore you cannot control every thought that comes into your mind so it’s not a choice. Only when that thought has been dwelt upon does it bring fourth death.
 
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Being born with sin is not blaming God. It’s excepting reality that Adam and Eve sinned and it’s been passed down through the generations. An evil thought can be considered as sin therefore you cannot control every thought that comes into your mind so it’s not a choice. Only when that thought has been dwelt upon does it bring fourth death.
SORRY THAT YOU FILL THAT GOD MADE YOU A SINNER, THOUGH SOMEONES ELSES SINS, ADAM'S sins don't have NOTHING TO DO with US CHOSING TO BE SINNERS, YOU HAVE A CHOICE, SAME AS ADAM DID
 
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Every person is born in sin. The only way to have imputed righteousness is to accept Jesus. Excepting Jesus does not make you with out sin. The flesh will always be weak until the kingdom comes.
THE BIBLE dose not say that we ARE BORNED IN SIN. NOR TEACH IT ETHER.
 
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Many people sin because they want to be their own gods. I think it has more to do with power (not wanting to submit) than pleasure.
I agree SOME
We have imputed Righteousness does does not mean we will not sin. Sin will not be eradicated in any believer until the kingdom has come.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
THIS MEANS IF A CHRISTIAN KNOWS THAT SOMETHING IS SIN, HE WILL NOT DO IT, FOR HE KNOWS THAT IT WILL PUT HIM guilty OF SIN AND IN A LOST POSITION, UNLESS HE REPENTS OF THAT SIN AND GETS IT OUT OF HIS LIFE, AND UNDER THE BLOOD OF JESUS = YESUAH
COMITTING SIN IS WHEN YOU KNOW IT'S SIN AND DO IT ANYWAY, It is a sin that you know is sin
 

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I agree SOME

3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
THIS MEANS IF A CHRISTIAN KNOWS THAT SOMETHING IS SIN, HE WILL NOT DO IT, FOR HE KNOWS THAT IT WILL PUT HIM guilty OF SIN AND IN A LOST POSITION, UNLESS HE REPENTS OF THAT SIN AND GETS IT OUT OF HIS LIFE, AND UNDER THE BLOOD OF JESUS = YESUAH
COMITTING SIN IS WHEN YOU KNOW IT'S SIN AND DO IT ANYWAY, It is a sin
Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

The Holy Bible: King James Version. (1995). (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version., Jas 4:5-6). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
 

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SORRY THAT YOU FILL THAT GOD MADE YOU A SINNER, THOUGH SOMEONES ELSES SINS, ADAM'S sins don't have NOTHING TO DO with US CHOSING TO BE SINNERS, YOU HAVE A CHOICE, SAME AS ADAM DID
Don't be sorry, As long as you believe Jesus lived and died for you, you'll be fine. Sanctification takes longer than a day. Its daily. No one can just choose to stop sinning own their own. A soon as sin is made known then it can be taken care of but it was always there just blinded by self.sin came through one man
 

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THE BIBLE dose not say that we ARE BORNED IN SIN. NOR TEACH IT ETHER.
The Holy Bible: King James Version. (1995). (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version., Ro 5:12). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
 

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Pretty straightforward question. Yet why do we enjoy it so much, when we do something that is completely contrary to God's will?
And how do we deal with this temptation?
BECAUSE a lot of sin is FUN....something that feed the flesh to makes us feel good.
IF it wasn't fun or made us feel bad........who would participate??
Satan is evil, not stupid.
 

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We have imputed Righteousness does does not mean we will not sin. Sin will not be eradicated in any believer until the kingdom has come.
What does repenting of sin have in common with the fact that we are human and sin in spite of our repentance, our will directed at not sinning?
 

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What does repenting of sin have in common with the fact that we are human and sin in spite of our repentance, our will directed at not sinning?
Our will is directed to not sinning correct, but I our will is not perfect. Sanctification happens over time not in just one day. no matter how hard we want something to happen we still do the things we don’t want to do. Rom 7:15