Why is this not being taught in Church?

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from what i understand about where you are coming from, there are great flaws with where you are coming from.
you apparently have no answer for any of them. that's all i can think, because you refuse to answer any of them.
all i can surmise is that you are either quite content to continue thinking fatally flawed thoughts, or you have answers but because of some vanity refuse to confess them.


don't you see that by your unwillingness to give answers for what you believe, you give me no other choice?
if you at least said, '
i don't know how to answer these things' you would have an out, and therby give me one. but you don't; you just say, it is not worthwhile for you to discuss your beliefs.


i am unsure whether to be insulted or to pity you. so i pity you. because the scripture says the righteous are quick to overlook offense.
do you see how i do not have any other choice?
the evidence suggests that you believe & preach indefensible doctrine, and that i should pity you.


help me. defend the truth, if you have it
Okay, if you can list one point where you regard as a "great flaw" as an example, and I will take you through how I understand it.
 
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the object of the Bible isn't to debate about it.

it's to understand the truth. the truth isn't debatable, but it must be sought out.

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter,
but the glory of kings is to search out a matter.
(Proverbs 25:2)
incidentally this passage shows again that just because a thing is concealed - not fully revealed - doesn't make it a different thing. it makes it hidden.
so it is with the gospel; just because it was concealed doesn't make it a different gospel.
you are fine with your view being impossible to be convincingly defended. you are fine with your view not being worth defending. i consider this also evidence that it is not a correct view.


i do not consider Bible discussion to be like fantasy football where you can pit imaginary things against each other and chuckle over how they imaginiarily stack up against each other in our imaginations. as though when they cease to amuse you it is nothing to stop entertaining the thoughts.
it is real. there is only one truth. i discuss it because i seek it; truth is life, because truth is knowledge of God.
I personally think that many of the truths we hold, depends on our point of view. Explain if you can your point of view with patience and grace, but if they still cannot see it, its fine, agree to disagree.

Of course, from our point of view, the truths we hold are "self evident". But it takes a more matured person to always understand that other people come to this world with very different background, and if they don't see your truth, don't be hard on them.

The clearest illustration I have seen about this thinking is from the Fifth Agreement by Don Miguel Ruiz, Don Jose Ruiz, Janet Mills. The cinema analogy they used in that book was just brilliant.
 

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The man it right. take time to read and be reasonable

the Bible does not lie. It is Confused preacher who don't understand the message.

when the message wrong and repeated over end other then you you finally get the true message it's heard to understand.

read the bible verses carefully.
He is not right, I agree the Bible does not lie

his interpretation of what the Bible says is what the problem is