Why is this not being taught in Church?

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rhern

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One True Way and Truth

Ephesians 4
4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
Jesus" Commandments were Just as powerful and the 10 Commandments.

There is NO excuse.

Why did Jesus Command His disciples not to go to the Gentiles

Matthew 10:5-6 King James Version (KJV)

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the

Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 

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There is NO excuse.
No excuse for not shaving?:unsure:

Why did Jesus Command His disciples not to go to the Gentiles
Jesus was afraid that seeing foreskins might upset them?

Frankly, I don't feel the need to question every little move God makes, but this one is as easy as falling off a log, so I will tell you;

Jesus chose to start with the Jews because they were the descendants of Abraham and Jacob.
 
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This is what you say every time I challenge the idea that there are multiple Gospels. So I have, and am left with, the distinct impression that it is an indefensible belief which is not justified by scripture at all.
No, I realized you refuse to understand what my point is, despite all my patient explaining in the past.

I am fine with you disagreeing with me but when you just refuse to see where I am coming from, I realized there is no point continuing with you.
 
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I been a dispensational believer and studying it in all forms for decades

Never heard of mid acts nor do I care too. Because it is not Mainstream if it was I would have heard of it
That is a classic illustration of burying your head in the sand.
 
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The gospel of salvation is context of the discussion
not all gospels concern salvation
I can agree with you in that. The issue of salvation was murky in the OT when the good news was revealed. Even Abraham received several good news but none of them pertained to salvation.

Genesis 12: Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This is conditional, Abram must move out of his present location first, and move to a place God showed him, THEN all these good news will happen to him.

Genesis 15
After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

2 And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?

3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.

4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

This is unconditional but it has nothing to do with salvation. God is promising him numerous descendants

Genesis 17
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.

10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

24 And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

25 And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

26 In the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised, and Ishmael his son.

27 And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him.

This was conditional too, Abraham must circumcise himself and everyone else (ouch to do that at his age v24), if he does that then the good news is contained in vs 6-8 will be for him and his descendants.

So yes, there are various good news in the OT, but as you can see from the Genesis account, none of them involve salvation as we know of now.
 
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That is a classic illustration of burying your head in the sand.
This is a classic example of thinking;g your better than someone else,

why do you think I do not converse with you.much?
 
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I can agree with you in that. The issue of salvation was murky in the OT when the good news was revealed. Even Abraham received several good news but none of them pertained to salvation.

Genesis 12: Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This is conditional, Abram must move out of his present location first, and move to a place God showed him, THEN all these good news will happen to him.

Genesis 15
After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

2 And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?

3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.

4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

This is unconditional but it has nothing to do with salvation. God is promising him numerous descendants

Genesis 17
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.

10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

24 And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

25 And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

26 In the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised, and Ishmael his son.

27 And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him.

This was conditional too, Abraham must circumcise himself and everyone else (ouch to do that at his age v24), if he does that then the good news is contained in vs 6-8 will be for him and his descendants.

So yes, there are various good news in the OT, but as you can see from the Genesis account, none of them involve salvation as we know of now.
You need to stop listening to whoever is teaching you
or do you make this stuff up?
 
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I am merely reading scripture, not even interpreting them.
I have not seen any scripture, just you telling me Prety. much how stupid I am
 
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eternally-gratefull

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No, you stated



How do you think a normal reader would perceived that point?
They would question if you were correct, since a person who has studied dispensationalism for over 30 years never heard of it

Who should they Listen to? The person who actually believes it,or the person attacking it,
 
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They would question if you were correct, since a person who has studied dispensationalism for over 30 years never heard of it

Who should they Listen to? The person who actually believes it,or the person attacking it,
So because YOU never heard of it and you decline to find out more about it yourself, normal readers, those that don't know you, must also agree with you that it cannot be more than just a "very small group of people" who believed in it?

Okay then, you made your point.
 
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I have not seen any scripture, just you telling me Prety. much how stupid I am
Hmm, you quoted from that post of mine when I used Genesis 12, 15 and 17, and you can actually state you have "not seen any scripture"?

I am genuinely puzzled about how you can form conclusions like these.
 
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So because YOU never heard of it and you decline to find out more about it yourself, normal readers, those that don't know you, must also agree with you that it cannot be more than just a "very small group of people" who believed in it?

Okay then, you made your point.
Why would I want to look it up?

it has no bearing on my belief system


maybe if I met one, I may look it up to see if I can find out what they are saying

otherwise it’s useless,


are you afraid to actually ask people what they believe, or do you think you should just ask a few questions and you think you know them very well?
 
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Why would I want to look it up?

it has no bearing on my belief system

maybe if I met one, I may look it up to see if I can find out what they are saying

otherwise it’s useless,


are you afraid to actually ask people what they believe, or do you think you should just ask a few questions and you think you know them very well?
You are certainly free to decide what you want to do with your time.

I never claim to know you well, I am just telling you how people, who don't know you, will conclude about you, from your typed words alone.
 

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You need to stop listening to whoever is teaching you
or do you make this stuff up?
The man it right. take time to read and be reasonable

the Bible does not lie. It is Confused preacher who don't understand the message.

when the message wrong and repeated over end other then you you finally get the true message it's heard to understand.

read the bible verses carefully.
 

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No, I realized you refuse to understand what my point is, despite all my patient explaining in the past.

I am fine with you disagreeing with me but when you just refuse to see where I am coming from, I realized there is no point continuing with you.
you weren't able to defend your view in the past - the one time you tried to engage me about it - and now you refuse to even try.
this is how it is from my perspective.
whenever i challenge your doctrine, you say, you tried once and have gained enlightenment that it isn't worth trying. in this way you brush aside every scripture i post concerning this topic. you say, '
oh post won't believe me so i won't bother' -- what i would like is if you were able to actually give a reason for what you believe. if you were able to actually defend it from criticism. from my point of view, you cannot -- because you never do. you state is as fiat, and when i challenge it, you say, well we've had this conversation before and you couldn't provide convincing reason so you cease from trying.


my friend, if i believe something, and i can prove it, i will not refuse to. sometimes i am too busy with other things in this life and i don't see replies to me, or i don't have time to write essays in reply -- but you are reading my replies, and responding. you're just not justifying what you say. so it isn't the case that you don't have time; it is the case that you refuse to.

you must understand, for me, seeing this, i have no other recourse but to believe that what you say about multiple gospels is false, because it sure looks like it can't be defended. no adequate defense of it has ever been shown to me, and the one person i know who preaches it, can't be bothered to justify his beliefs.
 
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you weren't able to defend your view in the past - the one time you tried to engage me about it - and now you refuse to even try.
this is how it is from my perspective.
whenever i challenge your doctrine, you say, you tried once and have gained enlightenment that it isn't worth trying. in this way you brush aside every scripture i post concerning this topic. you say, '
oh post won't believe me so i won't bother' -- what i would like is if you were able to actually give a reason for what you believe. if you were able to actually defend it from criticism. from my point of view, you cannot -- because you never do. you state is as fiat, and when i challenge it, you say, well we've had this conversation before and you couldn't provide convincing reason so you cease from trying.


my friend, if i believe something, and i can prove it, i will not refuse to. sometimes i am too busy with other things in this life and i don't see replies to me, or i don't have time to write essays in reply -- but you are reading my replies, and responding. you're just not justifying what you say. so it isn't the case that you don't have time; it is the case that you refuse to.

you must understand, for me, seeing this, i have no other recourse but to believe that what you say about multiple gospels is false, because it sure looks like it can't be defended. no adequate defense of it has ever been shown to me, and the one person i know who preaches it, can't be bothered to justify his beliefs.
Personally, I hold the view that "I can explain something to others, but I cannot make them understand it".

If you want to believe that my view is false, I am fine with that. I disagree with your view too, but I can understand where you are coming from. The objective of any debate, to me, is not to change the other person's mind, but rather is to understand the other party anyway.

I respect that other people may choose to disagree with me, but if they refuse to even understand where I am coming from, then there is really no point debating anymore with them.
 

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the object of the Bible isn't to debate about it.

it's to understand the truth. the truth isn't debatable, but it must be sought out.

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter,
but the glory of kings is to search out a matter.
(Proverbs 25:2)
incidentally this passage shows again that just because a thing is concealed - not fully revealed - doesn't make it a different thing. it makes it hidden.
so it is with the gospel; just because it was concealed doesn't make it a different gospel.
you are fine with your view being impossible to be convincingly defended. you are fine with your view not being worth defending. i consider this also evidence that it is not a correct view.


i do not consider Bible discussion to be like fantasy football where you can pit imaginary things against each other and chuckle over how they imaginiarily stack up against each other in our imaginations. as though when they cease to amuse you it is nothing to stop entertaining the thoughts.
it is real. there is only one truth. i discuss it because i seek it; truth is life, because truth is knowledge of God.
 

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if they refuse to even understand where I am coming from

from what i understand about where you are coming from, there are great flaws with where you are coming from.
you apparently have no answer for any of them. that's all i can think, because you refuse to answer any of them.
all i can surmise is that you are either quite content to continue thinking fatally flawed thoughts, or you have answers but because of some vanity refuse to confess them.


don't you see that by your unwillingness to give answers for what you believe, you give me no other choice?
if you at least said, '
i don't know how to answer these things' you would have an out, and therby give me one. but you don't; you just say, it is not worthwhile for you to discuss your beliefs.


i am unsure whether to be insulted or to pity you. so i pity you. because the scripture says the righteous are quick to overlook offense.
do you see how i do not have any other choice?
the evidence suggests that you believe & preach indefensible doctrine, and that i should pity you.


help me. defend the truth, if you have it