Why Many Fail to Receive Healing

Brother_Don · Dec 4, 2012

sometimes we can't see the healing in a persons spirit, we shouldn't tell any one why they wasn't healed. so why take the healing from them we don't see, by telling them why they wasn't healed. God always answers prayer, yes, no, not yet. Its not a good idea telling someone why they wasn't healed, when we don't even know if the healing has began. Always in Jesus name amen.

Brother_Don · Dec 4, 2012

healing starts on the inside

psychomom · Dec 4, 2012

I get a little sad when I see condemnation like this.

I once saw a young woman almost broken from being accused of having 'too little faith'
when her dad got cancer, and died of it.

That said...God heals!
One of our daughters (now 28) was to have died at age 1, according to the docs.
Our son should be paralyzed on his left side, according to the docs.
Our fifth child should have died being born, according to the docs.

I am thankful beyond what I can say for these things.
But what do we say, then, when a very small child becomes ill?
Is this child sinning?
Is this two year old's faith too small?

I don't think it's as simple as what's said here.

Abiding · Dec 4, 2012

psychomom said:

I get a little sad when I see condemnation like this.

I once saw a young woman almost broken from being accused of having 'too little faith'
when her dad got cancer, and died of it.

That said...God heals!
One of our daughters (now 28) was to have died at age 1, according to the docs.
Our son should be paralyzed on his left side, according to the docs.
Our fifth child should have died being born, according to the docs.

I am thankful beyond what I can say for these things.
But what do we say, then, when a very small child becomes ill?
Is this child sinning?
Is this two year old's faith too small?

I don't think it's as simple as what's said here.

Amen or a child dies. Parents told their faith wasnt strong.
I backed off after a testimony, not that i didnt have something
to say.

Jon4TheCross · Dec 4, 2012

psychomom said:

I agree that there are many different reasons for people being the way they are, and I personally do not blame anybody for being sick. The reason why they are still sick is another issue with many other reasons as well. I will only say this: Anybody who is confessing to this world that they are an ambassador for Jesus Christ our Lord, should definitely be asking God the exact reason why they are sick. God will answer in one way or another. If after talking to the Lord you find yourself not sick anymore, then most likely God was just missing that time with you, and gave you a bit of encouragement. If cancer causes a person to be able to spend more time with God alone, then that would be a blessing in my mind, and I would let the cancer kill my flesh (I'd just go home), or I would be healed with nothing but maybe some paid meds (I still don't know my pain endurance level). I would probably take pain meds, but no therapy's or medicines to try to heal the cancer. If I ever get cancer, God knows already how I will respond, and so do I. So If I get cancer, it's either time to go home, or God is going to heal me without any help (of course prayer is always good though, but that's the work of God anyways, so to God be the glory)

I would never say that someone is for sure sick because of their own sin, but I would always recommend a person who is sick to first look at how much time they spend with God, only focused on Him alone, and second to take a good hard look at your next step, and if you're avoiding it. Sickness in my past has encouraged me to spend more time with God, and so I'm thankful for even that.

I bet it would be very hard to find a sick person that spends more than 8 hours reading and praying (fasting) every day; I have not ever found or known of person being sick that is also spending more than 8 hours in completely undistracted focus on God.

If a person is sick, there's hope, and most likely it's not their fault, but sometimes it can be because that person needs some nudging or something. Sometimes it's simply because evil gets to have their reward, which is partly to watch us suffer.

lesjude · Dec 4, 2012

hopesprings said:

You are charging the God and creator of this universe who holds your next breath in his hand with falsehood and lying. The conditions are easily met by grace through faith. The first one is Hebrews 11:6. Who/what do MOST go to first, the pills, the medical system, or ONLY Jesus? Most do not believe His absolute word and His character to trust Him alone for healing but go to the 3rd leading cause of death in the US for it and/or take drugs ALL of which are poison and harm the body in any amount. Do you think God just might be offended?

This is changing God's absolute word to fit experience. It is best to put your hand over your mouth then charge God with folly which you are doing.

Moses and Aaron did not die sick and Christians do not have to either, just a peaceful transition to be with the Lord. Job is the one that said that, he was healed and restored. There are few Christians who will go to deaths door trusting Jesus ALONE for healing. That is what Job did and Jesus expects His bride to do the same.

You need to read the rest of that verse and then Romans 8:29-30 that follow. He is talking about the believer being conformed to the image of Christ not chronic sickness.

Paul's thorn was NOT a sickness:http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/53627-pauls-thorn-not-sickness.html#post847915
Click on the link please.

Please read James 5:14-15, Psalm 103:1-5. Then repent for calling God a liar and changing His word to fit others' carnal experiences. Healing not sickness and death bring glory to Jesus and the Bible teaches NOTHING else.

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Which of your children would you afflict without telling them clearly the reason and do it randomly as you accuse God of, then leave them in that condition indefinitely? God is a MUCH better father than any of us and few if any would do those things.

It is ALWAYS a last resort to bring correction when all else fails, and He shows the person the issue and gives the grace to change then heals. Note what the Bible says about stubbornness:
1 Samuel 15:23

New King James Version (NKJV)

23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the Lord,
He also has rejected you from being king.”

lesjude · Dec 4, 2012

Jon4TheCross said:

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True and heal them.

. Really! Chapter and verse please. Which of your kids would you give cancer to have them spend more time with you?

I suggest changing your confession in light of Proverbs 18:21. The devil will only be to happy to oblige with cancer. What part of Psalm 103:1-5 and James 5:14-15 is not clear to you?

This is one thing the Holy Spirit gift of the word of knowledge is for. You are saying you would rather let them die then do this?

Please read the OP again. If you can give any other scriptural reasons for sickness I am interested. Please give scripture for God letting His saints suffer with sickness.

lesjude · Dec 4, 2012

psychomom said:

James 5:14-15 is very clear, as well as Psalm 103:1-5. Our daughter was born dead and Jesus raised her. This was a home birth trusting Jesus alone. In fact I delivered her and my wife did not even know about her being stillborn. When Jesus is your physician there is no need of anything else.

lesjude · Dec 4, 2012

Brother_Don said:

The prayer of faith based on the revealed will of God ALWAYS receives a "YES". 2 Corinthians 2:20, 1 John 5:14-15, James 5:14-15. Healing is as much promised as sin forgiven is: Matthew 9:1-8
Please click on this link and read it: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/40857-prayer-faith-vs-if-your-will.html

Jon4TheCross · Dec 4, 2012

lesjude said:

You do completely misunderstand what I am saying.
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Which would you prefer? Being in a condition, or a worse condition?

There are many reasons for a person being sick, and I am ready to die, are you not? Cancer can't stop what God has for me. I pray for experience in spiritual warfare as well, and I get it. It's not wrong to pray for God to make you sick if you're needing a wake up call. God knows that I'm greatful for even the times that He allows me to become sick, because I always learn something from being sick.

Katy-follower · Dec 4, 2012

God does still heal today but He doesn't promise it to everyone. If it's in His will.

He said no to Paul...

2 Cor 12:9: And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong"

schoolofyoungprophet · Dec 4, 2012

when i was in nepal i saw lots of healings,genuine healings not all were healed but i have seen a lot,our emphasis was not healing but the gospel,however wen i moved to australia there were much teaching n preaching about healing with no fruit.
Can God heal? Sure he can but where is our focous, Isnt Christ enough.
Christ alone is our strong refuge guys ,u may get healed n yet go to hell,trust in Christ.
He alone is worthy

lesjude · Dec 4, 2012

Jon4TheCross said:

The man was not saved and did not even know who Jesus was when He healed him. When he did find out the man ratted Jesus out to those who wanted to kill Him. I would say that this indicated that he continued to sin. This account really has nothing to do with a Christian in Christ.
Trust me you will have enough trials without asking for them. You are in fatalism not faith and unless you change your thinking it will mean trouble, even premature death.

TheMachine · Dec 4, 2012

LesJudes

I was wondering if you could explain to me where Timothy's faith was at. Was he in a state of rebellion against God? Was he not conforming to Gods will? Why then, did Paul advise him to add wine to his water to cure is ailment? Why didn't Paul just tell Timothy to get right with the Lord, slap a hand on Timothy's head and yell Praise Jesus in a southern drawl?
You are preaching the gospel according to Oprah or perhaps Joel Olstiens prosperity preaching. God wants what’s best for you so just listen really good and conform and you will have nary a problem......
garbage! I believe that scripture tells us that marriage leads to trouble.....why doesn't it say that marriage is great if you have super faith and lead a sin free life? Doesn't Christ even say that it is required to take up your cross daily??? That sounds like a lot of work and hard times....where's my illness free life?
What about Paul's ailment? Nowhere else in scripture is the term "Thorn in my Flesh" used....at all...anywhere so how do you know that this meant something other than an ailment he had?
You should repent for shaping scripture into legalist psychobabble used to strike fear into the hearts of the ill and for throwing dirt on the gift of God’s Grace!

The Machine
"what we have here is a failure to communicate"......Boss

know1 · Dec 4, 2012

TheMachine said:

[You should repent for shaping scripture into legalist psychobabble used to strike fear into the hearts of the ill and for throwing dirt on the gift of God’s Grace

No repentance needed by anyone daring to believe and act on the promises of the Word of God.
Nowhere in scripture do you see God answering pray to them which are in Christ Jesus with a, no, denied, can't have it, not granted, better luck next time, or sorry kid, sucks to be you.

2Co_1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Healing is the grace of God in action sir.

Rom_10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Generally, if one is taught that God doesn't heal then that person will not experience any great healing even as Jesus couldn't do much of unbelief, Mar 6:5 AndG2532 he couldG1410 thereG1563 doG4160 noG3756 mighty work,G1411 save thatG1508 he laid his hands uponG2007 G5495 a fewG3641 sick folk,G732 and healedG2323 them.
Mar 6:6 AndG2532 he marvelledG2296 becauseG1223 of theirG846 unbelief.G570
Mat_9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

Missfoxieloxie · Dec 4, 2012

I believe God heals in different ways. It may not always be the "get up off the bed and walk again" healing. Each one of our days are numbered and it is not meant that everyone live to be 100 y/o. There are times when it seems many do suffer unfairly in comparison with others, etc. You never know who else is being affected by that one life. As sad as it is there are many times it actually takes the death of a loved one to turn someone around.

know1 · Dec 4, 2012

TheMachine said:

[You should repent for shaping scripture into legalist psychobabble used to strike fear into the hearts of the ill and for throwing dirt on the gift of God’s Grace

Just fixed some oopses
No repentance needed by anyone daring to believe and act on the promises of the Word of God.
Nowhere in scripture do you see God answering pray to them which are in Christ Jesus with a, no, denied, can't have it, not granted, better luck next time, or sorry kid, sucks to be you.

2Co_1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Healing is the grace of God in action sir.

Rom_10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Generally, if one is taught that God doesn't heal then that person will not experience any great healing even as Jesus couldn't do much with unbelief.

Mar 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
Mar 6:6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about
Mat_9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

TheMachine · Dec 5, 2012

Know1

No one in my post said that God doesn't heal. And God does Heal us by forgiving us and that is His Grace in action.....
But I tell you this and you can preach this God heals all crap all day long...it is a lie! It is the words of a heretic!

If sin leads to illness to be corrected then why aren't murderers and thieves walking around afflicted??? Why are men and woman of God pursecuted and tormented with diseases?

You quoted 2nd Corinthians try 1st Corinthians 1:21 "For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believed."

This to me is what is meant by according to your faith.....you believed in Christ be healed. These signs and wonders were to bring notice to Christ as sent by God and today these things still happen to bring glory to God...
But for you to say people are no longer with us or are in the midst of serious health issues because their faith wasn't or isn't strong enough or they just didn't or don't have enough spirituality is rubbish!!!

That is Oprahs theology in the Secret....send out happy thoughts and they will return to you..... believe strong enough and all your ailments will cease.....No One could miss the foolishness being preached here....right?

You know, I sometimes think that people have so much faith that God takes them home so that they will no longer suffer here.....better is one day!

The Machine

"you either like bacon or you're wrong!"........

GreenNnice · Dec 5, 2012

psychomom said:

The reason that Lazurus died was why?
He was raised from being dead but why did Jesus say Lazarus died?
Keep in mind this Lazarus served God, he was a hardworking man, in belief and faith of Jesus. He was doing great things yet God took Him.

Lesjude, when God is going to take us , it is OUR time, there's no amount of healing that will save that man. God's will be done, right.

Now, why did Lazarus die?

Note: Your exhubetance of faith is nor a bad thing , just is judging, I believe, maybe not misplaced, misguided words as displaced, uh, hmm, how does one say this gently, Lord? Dear Lord...amen. you're not quite understanding of where the power of healing lies, which is, in Him, NOT in you meeting a condition that is going to be an absolute to save you, yet one should be resolute in their faith of Him to be saved, and, the Lord leads.

Awesome faith, spiritualplague, the power of God is 'great.'

Praying for your wife now too, Wednesday, that NOTHING will he there, but, too, I always pray, that 'your will be done, Lord.' Our God reigns.

know1 · Dec 5, 2012

TheMachine said:

What about Paul's ailment? Nowhere else in scripture is the term "Thorn in my Flesh" used....at all...anywhere so how do you know that this meant something other than an ailment he had?

You need to read the rest of the scripture sir with some understanding.

2Co_12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

God was giving Paul the answer to his request, and it wasn't, 'no'. How is the power of God accomplished in your life if you do things in your own strengths? When we are weak, then He is made strong, for we are what the spirit is in us. Our righteousness is not our own, and neither is our strength. The healing power of God is part of the grace and strength of God in Christ Jesus.

2Co_12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong/powerful/capable.

So how did this weakness or sickness in Paul's flesh turn to strength or power? How is one delivered? How is one healed? How is one saved? It is Christ in you, He is your power and strength.

Remember, God is no hypocrite. If He says He will do something one time, He will not turn to say and do contrary to that later.

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