sometimes people get sick and even die, not because they did anything wrong, but because it was their time and that was gods plan. No one is promised a set amount of time, or forever good health, I cant believe this thread is blaming those who are sick, on that theory of sickness is caused by sin, then someone named Mother Teresa must have been a terrible person, she died!! lets see, she lived closer to how Jesus lived then probably any other person in recent history, yet she still died, see the hole in your theory?
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The reason that Lazurus died was why?
He was raised from being dead but why did Jesus say Lazarus died?
Keep in mind this Lazarus served God, he was a hardworking man, in belief and faith of Jesus. He was doing great things yet God took Him.
Lesjude, when God is going to take us , it is OUR time, there's no amount of healing that will save that man. God's will be done, right.
Now, why did Lazarus die?
Note: Your exhubetance of faith is nor a bad thing , just is judging, I believe, maybe not misplaced, misguided words as displaced, uh, hmm, how does one say this gently, Lord? Dear Lord...amen. you're not quite understanding of where the power of healing lies, which is, in Him, NOT in you meeting a condition that is going to be an absolute to save you, yet one should be resolute in their faith of Him to be saved, and, the Lord leads.
Awesome faith, spiritualplague, the power of God is 'great.'
Praying for your wife now too, Wednesday, that NOTHING will he there, but, too, I always pray, that 'your will be done, Lord.' Our God reigns.
He was raised from being dead but why did Jesus say Lazarus died?
Keep in mind this Lazarus served God, he was a hardworking man, in belief and faith of Jesus. He was doing great things yet God took Him.
Lesjude, when God is going to take us , it is OUR time, there's no amount of healing that will save that man. God's will be done, right.
Now, why did Lazarus die?
Note: Your exhubetance of faith is nor a bad thing , just is judging, I believe, maybe not misplaced, misguided words as displaced, uh, hmm, how does one say this gently, Lord? Dear Lord...amen. you're not quite understanding of where the power of healing lies, which is, in Him, NOT in you meeting a condition that is going to be an absolute to save you, yet one should be resolute in their faith of Him to be saved, and, the Lord leads.
Awesome faith, spiritualplague, the power of God is 'great.'
Praying for your wife now too, Wednesday, that NOTHING will he there, but, too, I always pray, that 'your will be done, Lord.' Our God reigns.
Greenie---God bless you!
Is God sovereign? Yes!!
The power comes from Him (not us, or what we do). I have seen it!
My children who have been made well/alive did nothing to receive what they did, nor did their dad or I. Not sure how to explain that.......
Perhaps this topic is a bit too close to home, as my beautiful 9 yo nephew died, and I have had 3 miscarriages..yet I have this testimony in my children, too. (thank You so much, Lord)
The idea that we must meet certain conditions to receive God's blessings is troublesome, so I will seek the Lord about it and ask if I am wrong. So, thanks for that, everyone.
He is sovereign, and He does all sorts of things...all to His own glory!
(which is, I think, the important thing.)
I do pray for any who believe this, that if/when the day comes your doctrine fails you, your faith will not falter. ♥
I say that in all love, and sincerity.
-ellie
I agree but the 'may or may not' conveys this expression of uncertainty. If we ask Him for bread does He give us a stone? You have not because you ask not or you ask amiss that you might consume it upon the lusts of the flesh. There is also the local church and if any be sick they are to ask and come before the elders and be anointed with oil and the prayer of faith shall save the sick and also any sins they have committed will be forgiven. What does it mean to save the sick who are weak and feeble and afflicted? If Christ has promised rest to all that come to Him shall he not also heal the sick that come to Him by faith? If He can save our soul by faith can He not also heal the sick through faith, not because of the atonement but through the mercy and compassion that He has? Was there not certain times in His ministry that He healed all those that came or were brought to Him in (Mt 4:24, 8:16, 12:15). Are we to believe He is any different in His compassion that He demonstrated upon the multitudes?
This term, 'He may or may not heal' could be unbelief in the heart and how can He respond to unbelief? What if we said the same about forgiveness of sin when we come to Him by faith, 'He may or may not forgive, after all He is sovereign'. That would be unbelief. How many times was the Lord inhibited from doing mighty works because of unbelief, but how many times were the sick and those possessed with and hindered by devils did He turn aside and not heal when they came to Him by faith? NONE, He even healed by proxy and what are we to think of that? Do we stop bringing the sick to the Lord knowing that what is impossible with men it is possible with God, ONLY BELIEVE (that does not only apply to salvation).
I am the God of ALL FLESH, is their anything to hard for me? That is a pretty good promise from God that gives us faith in Him to do the impossible, but do we believe that and trust Him for that promise and the application of it that comes by faith? We boast in having faith because of the word and that is good and true, but do we boast in the Lord and His promises which are ALL YEA AND AMEN? There may be those that believe there is healing in the atonement, but I don't think we should ever be guilty of discouraging them from going to Christ and ask for healing. I have been guilty of doing that very thing in the past with others because of my doctrine and I was wrong because I discouraged faith instead of building faith.
We teach the right doctrine and hope they will turn from that understanding and trust the person of Christ for healing. The soul that is sick with sin is cleansed and healed by the blood but people get sick and become afflicted in their body other ways. I don't believe in making faith the object because Christ is the one who does the healing and all He wants from us is to come to Him and believe that He can do it. It's not will power or in any expression that God will heal you, but it is the simple child-like faith that trusts in and comes to Dad who can take care of the boo-boo and make is all better.
This term, 'He may or may not heal' could be unbelief in the heart and how can He respond to unbelief? What if we said the same about forgiveness of sin when we come to Him by faith, 'He may or may not forgive, after all He is sovereign'. That would be unbelief. How many times was the Lord inhibited from doing mighty works because of unbelief, but how many times were the sick and those possessed with and hindered by devils did He turn aside and not heal when they came to Him by faith? NONE, He even healed by proxy and what are we to think of that? Do we stop bringing the sick to the Lord knowing that what is impossible with men it is possible with God, ONLY BELIEVE (that does not only apply to salvation).
I am the God of ALL FLESH, is their anything to hard for me? That is a pretty good promise from God that gives us faith in Him to do the impossible, but do we believe that and trust Him for that promise and the application of it that comes by faith? We boast in having faith because of the word and that is good and true, but do we boast in the Lord and His promises which are ALL YEA AND AMEN? There may be those that believe there is healing in the atonement, but I don't think we should ever be guilty of discouraging them from going to Christ and ask for healing. I have been guilty of doing that very thing in the past with others because of my doctrine and I was wrong because I discouraged faith instead of building faith.
We teach the right doctrine and hope they will turn from that understanding and trust the person of Christ for healing. The soul that is sick with sin is cleansed and healed by the blood but people get sick and become afflicted in their body other ways. I don't believe in making faith the object because Christ is the one who does the healing and all He wants from us is to come to Him and believe that He can do it. It's not will power or in any expression that God will heal you, but it is the simple child-like faith that trusts in and comes to Dad who can take care of the boo-boo and make is all better.
L
The Bible does not promise Christians will not die, although some will not, but healing. They do not have to die sick, but just a gentle transition to be with the Lord. Moses and Aaron did not die of sickness.
Psalm 90:10
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 The days of our lives are seventy years;
And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,
Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow;
For it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
Psalm 91:14-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 “Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore I will deliver him;
I will set him on high, because he has known My name.
15 He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble;
I will deliver him and honor him.
16 With long life I will satisfy him,
And show him My salvation.”
John 10:10
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
James 5:14-15
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer of faith will save (Greek sozo heal)the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
Mother Theresa? A person does not earn their way to heaven as the RCC teaches so unless she received Christ by grace through faith she was not even saved no matter how much she cared for the sick. She was a member in good standing of the RCC and "sainted" so it is likely she believed salvation was by works. Very sad.
Then you are saying that God is to blame for sickness. Please give chapter and verse for that belief. What you are saying is that God is a liar. That is not prudent. What part of Psalm 103:1-5, James 5:14-15, Exodus 15:26 (note the condition), Exodus 23:20-26, Isaiah 53:4-5 with Matthew 8:16-17, 1 Peter 2:24 to list but a few.
Psalm 90:10
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 The days of our lives are seventy years;
And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,
Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow;
For it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
Psalm 91:14-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 “Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore I will deliver him;
I will set him on high, because he has known My name.
15 He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble;
I will deliver him and honor him.
16 With long life I will satisfy him,
And show him My salvation.”
John 10:10
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
James 5:14-15
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer of faith will save (Greek sozo heal)the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
Mother Theresa? A person does not earn their way to heaven as the RCC teaches so unless she received Christ by grace through faith she was not even saved no matter how much she cared for the sick. She was a member in good standing of the RCC and "sainted" so it is likely she believed salvation was by works. Very sad.
Then you are saying that God is to blame for sickness. Please give chapter and verse for that belief. What you are saying is that God is a liar. That is not prudent. What part of Psalm 103:1-5, James 5:14-15, Exodus 15:26 (note the condition), Exodus 23:20-26, Isaiah 53:4-5 with Matthew 8:16-17, 1 Peter 2:24 to list but a few.
L
Greenie---God bless you!
Is God sovereign? Yes!!
The power comes from Him (not us, or what we do). I have seen it!
My children who have been made well/alive did nothing to receive what they did, nor did their dad or I. Not sure how to explain that.......
Perhaps this topic is a bit too close to home, as my beautiful 9 yo nephew died, and I have had 3 miscarriages..yet I have this testimony in my children, too. (thank You so much, Lord)
The idea that we must meet certain conditions to receive God's blessings is troublesome, so I will seek the Lord about it and ask if I am wrong. So, thanks for that, everyone.
He is sovereign, and He does all sorts of things...all to His own glory!
(which is, I think, the important thing.)
I do pray for any who believe this, that if/when the day comes your doctrine fails you, your faith will not falter. ♥
I say that in all love, and sincerity.
-ellie
Is God sovereign? Yes!!
The power comes from Him (not us, or what we do). I have seen it!
My children who have been made well/alive did nothing to receive what they did, nor did their dad or I. Not sure how to explain that.......
Perhaps this topic is a bit too close to home, as my beautiful 9 yo nephew died, and I have had 3 miscarriages..yet I have this testimony in my children, too. (thank You so much, Lord)
The idea that we must meet certain conditions to receive God's blessings is troublesome, so I will seek the Lord about it and ask if I am wrong. So, thanks for that, everyone.
He is sovereign, and He does all sorts of things...all to His own glory!
(which is, I think, the important thing.)
I do pray for any who believe this, that if/when the day comes your doctrine fails you, your faith will not falter. ♥
I say that in all love, and sincerity.
-ellie
New King James Version (NKJV)
11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
This Holy Spirit power comes from God and is in those who receive the Acts 2:4 experience.
Acts 1:8
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me[a] in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
What was the first evidence they had received the power of the Holy Spirit?
Acts 2:4
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Exodus 23:26
New King James Version (NKJV)
26 No one shall suffer miscarriage or be barren in your land; I will fulfill the number of your days.
1 Timothy 2:15
New King James Version (NKJV)
15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.
If you can find a single promise from God without a "condition" state it. Salvation requires repentance (a change in thinking) by coming to God, believing in the heart, and confessing with the mouth. From God's side He draws His elect and they WILL receive Jesus. It is called effectual or effective grace; it is sovereign, and only the elect predestined from the beginning of time get it. Matthew 7:13-14 means exactly what it says. See also John 6:44-45 and 65.
L
If someone you pray for does not get healed you need to take the responsibility to find out where you missed it because God did not. Mark 11:17-18 is true. What did Jesus do to demonstrate the Gospel over and over? Healing and deliverance was and is an integral part of the good news. The more doubt you have that it is not means that doubt will be in your heart when you pray for people.
W
Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, 2 to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men. 3 For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another. 4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared,
5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
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Mercy is defined by Webster's Dictionary as: 1) compassion or forbearance shown to an offender or subject; clemency or kindness extended to someone instead of strictness or severity; 2) a blessing regarded as an act of divine favor or compassion; 3) relief of distress; compassion shown to victims of misfortune.
Grace is defined by Webster's Dictionary as: 1) benificence or generosity shown by God to man; especially divine favor unmerited by man: the mercy of God as distinguished from his justice; 2) a short prayer either asking a blessing before or giving thanks after a meal; 3) disposition to kindness, favor, clemency or compassion: benign goodwill; the display of kindly treatment usually on the part of a superior.
Sorry for how harsh this sounds. It came out worse than was intended, I'm not trying to bash anyone, just the doubt in it.
That's not what I read in scripture, that's what I see in the natural. That's what I have experienced many times but that is not what I believe. I believe what is written in the bible and, 'may or may not', is not written in the scriptures.
Why would God the Father send Jesus to suffer and die for us only to turn around after and negate the work of Jesus’ sufferings and death on the cross? What good are the promises of God if God is partial? Again, God is not a hypocrite. He doesn’t say one thing and do another. Stop going by past experiences, your understanding of how things work in the natural, stories you’ve heard from others, and/or teachings from pastors and the like that explain away why God didn‘t heal you and/or your friend/relative. You are unwittingly rejecting the wisdom and knowledge of God, and in so doing rejecting God. For He and His Word/promises are one. This is who God is! He tells us to give to everyone that asks of us but He will do contrary?
2Co_1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
This is so simple and clear, why can‘t many of you see this? It is because of the hardness of your hearts.
If words or the Word of God has meaning, then the following should hold true.
Hos_4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Mat 9:28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
Mat 9:30 And their eyes were opened;
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Joh_15:16 that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. The word, 'may', is inferred.
Joh_16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
I don't see any doubt in these or any other scripture as to what God WILL do.
That's not what I read in scripture, that's what I see in the natural. That's what I have experienced many times but that is not what I believe. I believe what is written in the bible and, 'may or may not', is not written in the scriptures.
Why would God the Father send Jesus to suffer and die for us only to turn around after and negate the work of Jesus’ sufferings and death on the cross? What good are the promises of God if God is partial? Again, God is not a hypocrite. He doesn’t say one thing and do another. Stop going by past experiences, your understanding of how things work in the natural, stories you’ve heard from others, and/or teachings from pastors and the like that explain away why God didn‘t heal you and/or your friend/relative. You are unwittingly rejecting the wisdom and knowledge of God, and in so doing rejecting God. For He and His Word/promises are one. This is who God is! He tells us to give to everyone that asks of us but He will do contrary?
2Co_1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
This is so simple and clear, why can‘t many of you see this? It is because of the hardness of your hearts.
If words or the Word of God has meaning, then the following should hold true.
Hos_4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Mat 9:28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
Mat 9:30 And their eyes were opened;
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Joh_15:16 that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. The word, 'may', is inferred.
Joh_16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
I don't see any doubt in these or any other scripture as to what God WILL do.
L
God's grace is there for all He promises to do in the meaning of the word to save which includes healing. It is by grace through FAITH that salvation is received. Look up the word to save in Vines Bible Dictionary and see how it is used in scripture and what is included in its meaning.
Every reason I have given for people not receiving healing is in scripture. Please take the time to study it out before you start making foolish accusations and calling God a liar.
I have found when people cannot give valid scripture for what religion teaches then they get rude.
Every reason I have given for people not receiving healing is in scripture. Please take the time to study it out before you start making foolish accusations and calling God a liar.
I have found when people cannot give valid scripture for what religion teaches then they get rude.
I believe sir that there is a denominational barrier. Generally, the charismatics believe in healing and the non-charismatic believe that God will heal if it is His will and He won't if it isn't. In other words, they don't know what His will is. This is not intended to insult anyone or any denomination, it's just what I have observed or how I see it.
L
The Bible calls denominations carnal Christianity. My point is what Mark 16:17-18 and Matthew 10:7-8 says is true no matter what the carnal denomination or "non-denominations" believe. If you do not have that settled then faith to pray for others for healing will be hit and miss and then the clear word is changed to fit the results of carnal unbelief.
P
Thank you for this and many of your previous posst.!!! So Gentle .....
Revelation will not come by debating -- we (I am referring to you and I; I hope!) have an understanding of the character of God, therefore an understanding of our Identity in Christ -- this comes by revelation alone -- by preaching Grace, gracefullly. Well done.Bless you Brother!!!
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I pray when im sick and always will. Yes of coarse i let Him have the say so according to His will.
You call it doubt but i call you presumptious.
Heres the danger, draw back, and Ugly false teaching that believes in faith healing.
As it was pointed out in an earlier post that faith has to be applied to our attonement to
beilieve our sins are forgiven and that healing is the same(without going into battling faithhealing, now)
This makes the person who has physically bleed their heart out in faithful prayer that ends up
without healing, figure their forgiveness is also not effectual. The teaching destroys people.
You call it doubt but i call you presumptious.
Heres the danger, draw back, and Ugly false teaching that believes in faith healing.
As it was pointed out in an earlier post that faith has to be applied to our attonement to
beilieve our sins are forgiven and that healing is the same(without going into battling faithhealing, now)
This makes the person who has physically bleed their heart out in faithful prayer that ends up
without healing, figure their forgiveness is also not effectual. The teaching destroys people.
I hate to say it but I haven't been to a church in over 15 years, mainly because of where I live. I believe what I do because I have a hunger for the truth and I put my so called doctrines on trial while seeking God. At the same time, I try to watch what I say and how I say it, that I might not offend another Child of God and possibly cause that person to fall. I would rather be wrong in the eyes of everyone than to be right and destroy someone.In other words, I will let it go or ignore insult directed at me, that I might not hurt another child of God. I still desire to walk in faith and love as the truth can hurt at times, and because love is greater than truth.
No offense sir, but what does this have to do with what the bible says? Ignorance is not bliss, what you don't know can and does hurt you, and the blind will fall into the ditch sooner or later. It is not this teach that destroys people but ignorance and deceit or lies and the hardness of their hearts.
I don't believe in faith healing either because Christ is the one that heals, but I do believe that healing that comes from Christ comes through faith because He is compassionate and it pleases Him when we ask Him and come to Him for healing, trusting in His nature and ability to heal us as our loving Creator and Saviour.
Actually sir, it's the lack of understanding of how faith and the Word of God works. Healing is only part of it. Without faith you not only displease God but you won't receive anything from Him.
Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
These are not my words but that of Jesus as you very well know.
Mat_15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Mar_8:17 And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened? Notice how hardness of heart is the cause of not being able to perceive or understand?
My wife prays a lot and there is only three things that she has not gotten that she has asked for or demanded. My record isn't so hot. But she receives partly because she believes she will and partly because she won't quite till she gets it. Through faith and patience we inherit the promises of God. Most times, I don't ask to be healed, I demand it. I don't fight God in this but the devil. It is our right as children of God to walk in good health. If I miss it, then I always look at my self as the cause of the failure. Not God or His Word that I'm standing on.
Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
These are not my words but that of Jesus as you very well know.
Mat_15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Mar_8:17 And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened? Notice how hardness of heart is the cause of not being able to perceive or understand?
My wife prays a lot and there is only three things that she has not gotten that she has asked for or demanded. My record isn't so hot. But she receives partly because she believes she will and partly because she won't quite till she gets it. Through faith and patience we inherit the promises of God. Most times, I don't ask to be healed, I demand it. I don't fight God in this but the devil. It is our right as children of God to walk in good health. If I miss it, then I always look at my self as the cause of the failure. Not God or His Word that I'm standing on.
H
I am not charging God with falsehood and lying just because I disagree with your blanket statement.
Don’t you think that God might be offended by your downplay of the avenues that HE chooses to use to heal someone?
You’re right. Job was healed and restored. But do you think that when Job said that, that he thought that God would definitely heal him? Or was he putting himself wholly in God’s hands and trusting him regardless of circumstance? With your belief, that faith heals all physical wounds, Job's statement about trusting God regardless has no meaning. Btw…weren’t Job’s ‘friends’ the ones who were blaming him for his own illness, saying it was because he sinned and such, and weren’t they wrong in their assumption?
I have read the rest of the passage…it is actually one of my favorites…it is filled with a great promise, wouldn’t you say? ALL things work together for good for those who love God and are called according to HIS purpose – as we are being conformed to the image of his Son. Does ALL not mean ALL to you?
Commentators are split on whether it was a physical ailment or not.
These verses do not promise physical healing in every circumstance. It can even be argued that physical ailments were not even being spoken of in either of these places. You said that sickness and death do not bring glory to Jesus and your statement is entirely false, not only based what you downplay as ‘others carnal experiences’ but based on the deaths of many Christians who have brought glory to God through their horrible deaths. Do you not remember Steven being stoned to death and still bringing glory to God? You should not make blanket statements like that and then claim that the bible upholds your belief.
Did Jesus not tell a parable in which a man named Lazarus died in sickness, than went to Abraham’s bosom? What is the difference if the affliction comes from without or within? Does God not promise to keep us safe from all of our enemies? Does He not say that He is our refuge and strength that He will help in times of trouble? Does that always mean that He will physically rescue us?
Like Abiding said…your teaching is faith shattering for someone whom God chooses NOT to heal. You can ignore that like it doesn’t matter, or like it is the person’s own fault, but that attitude is entirely unloving and you condemn the heart without knowing it. You have completely removed God’s choice in this. Who are you to say that He cannot glorify himself through someone’s sickness and/or death? Does James not say “And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us”? You say that God’s will is to ALWAYS heal our physical afflictions, yet the verses you quoted do not say that, and in saying such a thing you presume to know the mind of God and what his specific plans are for every person.
hopesprings
Don’t you think that God might be offended by your downplay of the avenues that HE chooses to use to heal someone?
You’re right. Job was healed and restored. But do you think that when Job said that, that he thought that God would definitely heal him? Or was he putting himself wholly in God’s hands and trusting him regardless of circumstance? With your belief, that faith heals all physical wounds, Job's statement about trusting God regardless has no meaning. Btw…weren’t Job’s ‘friends’ the ones who were blaming him for his own illness, saying it was because he sinned and such, and weren’t they wrong in their assumption?
I have read the rest of the passage…it is actually one of my favorites…it is filled with a great promise, wouldn’t you say? ALL things work together for good for those who love God and are called according to HIS purpose – as we are being conformed to the image of his Son. Does ALL not mean ALL to you?
Commentators are split on whether it was a physical ailment or not.
These verses do not promise physical healing in every circumstance. It can even be argued that physical ailments were not even being spoken of in either of these places. You said that sickness and death do not bring glory to Jesus and your statement is entirely false, not only based what you downplay as ‘others carnal experiences’ but based on the deaths of many Christians who have brought glory to God through their horrible deaths. Do you not remember Steven being stoned to death and still bringing glory to God? You should not make blanket statements like that and then claim that the bible upholds your belief.
Did Jesus not tell a parable in which a man named Lazarus died in sickness, than went to Abraham’s bosom? What is the difference if the affliction comes from without or within? Does God not promise to keep us safe from all of our enemies? Does He not say that He is our refuge and strength that He will help in times of trouble? Does that always mean that He will physically rescue us?
Like Abiding said…your teaching is faith shattering for someone whom God chooses NOT to heal. You can ignore that like it doesn’t matter, or like it is the person’s own fault, but that attitude is entirely unloving and you condemn the heart without knowing it. You have completely removed God’s choice in this. Who are you to say that He cannot glorify himself through someone’s sickness and/or death? Does James not say “And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us”? You say that God’s will is to ALWAYS heal our physical afflictions, yet the verses you quoted do not say that, and in saying such a thing you presume to know the mind of God and what his specific plans are for every person.
hopesprings
H
The reason that Lazurus died was why?
He was raised from being dead but why did Jesus say Lazarus died?
Keep in mind this Lazarus served God, he was a hardworking man, in belief and faith of Jesus. He was doing great things yet God took Him.
Lesjude, when God is going to take us , it is OUR time, there's no amount of healing that will save that man. God's will be done, right.
Now, why did Lazarus die?
Note: Your exhubetance of faith is nor a bad thing , just is judging, I believe, maybe not misplaced, misguided words as displaced, uh, hmm, how does one say this gently, Lord? Dear Lord...amen. you're not quite understanding of where the power of healing lies, which is, in Him, NOT in you meeting a condition that is going to be an absolute to save you, yet one should be resolute in their faith of Him to be saved, and, the Lord leads.
Awesome faith, spiritualplague, the power of God is 'great.' Praying for your wife now too, Wednesday, that NOTHING will he there, but, too, I always pray, that 'your will be done, Lord.' Our God reigns.
He was raised from being dead but why did Jesus say Lazarus died?
Keep in mind this Lazarus served God, he was a hardworking man, in belief and faith of Jesus. He was doing great things yet God took Him.
Lesjude, when God is going to take us , it is OUR time, there's no amount of healing that will save that man. God's will be done, right.
Now, why did Lazarus die?
Note: Your exhubetance of faith is nor a bad thing , just is judging, I believe, maybe not misplaced, misguided words as displaced, uh, hmm, how does one say this gently, Lord? Dear Lord...amen. you're not quite understanding of where the power of healing lies, which is, in Him, NOT in you meeting a condition that is going to be an absolute to save you, yet one should be resolute in their faith of Him to be saved, and, the Lord leads.
Awesome faith, spiritualplague, the power of God is 'great.'
Praying for your wife now too, Wednesday, that NOTHING will he there, but, too, I always pray, that 'your will be done, Lord.' Our God reigns.
humble honesty without downplaying God's sovereign right to rule His creation. You warmed my heart...thanks