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Some people do like to run things over and over again!
If you look at all of those peoples posts, you'll find their fruit!
They think it is good, but if you look, you find the truth!
The posts are always ending up in a fights and causing division or confusion about the word of God.
They do not bring peace or love into a persons heart, nor lead them to the truth!
They become a clanging symbol, a noise without meaning!
Maybe this is it, they know the word, but lack love!
More like judges and lawyers if you ask me!
This is not directed to everyone on this post, just a few!
I do not need to even say any names, we all know who they are!
S
I, too, have been taught that one must read these verses in context. The verses in Corinthians is addressing the problem of women yelling across the room to their husbands whenever they had a question. That particular church had a lot of issues. Paul had to write a large chunk of his letter to them regarding all the practices they had let get out of hand. Women of that time were not allowed to be educated, so many times during a teaching they would have questions and shout to their husbands for clarification. That is why Paul says the women should keep quiet (not shouting and disrupting) and save their questions for when they get home. I have asked several pastors of many denominations about this and they all point to the fact that Jesus came that we might have life and have it abundantly. People may think there are many ways to interpret scripture, but if Christ came to set the captive free and give us life, don't choose the interpretation that puts someone back into bondage.
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Joyce Meyer lives a pretty extravagant lifestyle. She owns many different homes, a private jet, her husband drives a $100,000+ Mercedes, lives in a $2,000,000 home, bought all her 4 children $2,000,000+ homes, owns a $11,000 French CLOCK (yes, the time telling thing), a $105,000 boat at her vacation home, and refuses to apologize for her spending habits because she considers it "being blessed".
She compares herself to the world and claims she's being held to a double-standard (shouldn't all pastors be?), saying "You can be a businessman here in St. Louis, and people think the more you have, the more wonderful it is...but if you’re a preacher, then all of a sudden it becomes a problem."
Now I have to say, she has done wonderful things with and for her church, but her lifestyle is something I can't approve of as being "blessed"; just excessive, very very excessive.
Joyce Meyer obviously has an eye for worldly things, and that's not the kind of role model I think the church needs.
Colossians 3:2 - Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.
Read further of Joyce's lavish life at http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...C5099399D2FCC5FA86256DDF00661C5F?OpenDocument
She compares herself to the world and claims she's being held to a double-standard (shouldn't all pastors be?), saying "You can be a businessman here in St. Louis, and people think the more you have, the more wonderful it is...but if you’re a preacher, then all of a sudden it becomes a problem."
Now I have to say, she has done wonderful things with and for her church, but her lifestyle is something I can't approve of as being "blessed"; just excessive, very very excessive.
Joyce Meyer obviously has an eye for worldly things, and that's not the kind of role model I think the church needs.
Colossians 3:2 - Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.
Read further of Joyce's lavish life at http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...C5099399D2FCC5FA86256DDF00661C5F?OpenDocument
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"The captive" he was speaking of was us in bondage of sin, not slaves or prisoners or allowing women to speak in church. There is nothing that I've seen that would say the context of that scripture means what you said it does. What applies to the church then applies now, simple as that. If we don't agree with it... wait, let me make sure you get this clearly... *clears throat*
WHAT I MEAN IS, IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, AND IF WE DO WHAT IT SAYS NOT TO DO, ARE WE NOT SINNING?
We can't pick and choose, and please don't give me that "slavery" thing. The slaves Jesus spoke of were those who owed a debt and were working it off by being servants for those they owed. I personally applaud that type of slavery, and would love to be able to work off my debt in that way.
WHAT I MEAN IS, IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, AND IF WE DO WHAT IT SAYS NOT TO DO, ARE WE NOT SINNING?
We can't pick and choose, and please don't give me that "slavery" thing. The slaves Jesus spoke of were those who owed a debt and were working it off by being servants for those they owed. I personally applaud that type of slavery, and would love to be able to work off my debt in that way.
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Ugh, this topic is so confusing to me. For a long time, I considered going through the discernment proccess, going to seminary, getting my masters in Divinity, and being ordained as an Episcopal priest. I've put that on hold to do more reasearch, and to pray, and to see if it's something I'm being led by the Holy Spirit to persue, or if it's Satan trying to decieve me into doing something against God's will that seems like it would be a good thing. So far, from all I've read here, and all I've read in the Bible, I'm still at a complete limbo of what I believe. The Bible says women are to be silent in church, but does that mean we are not allowed to sing, and praise? Also, was it God who commanded women to be silent, or was that the law at the time? And if it was because women were unlearned and unschooled, is it changed now that women have the oppurtunity to learn? I'm also not sure that being a priest gives you authority over men. If anything, I was pretty sure it was a priest's role to serve the community, to serve their congregation by helping people meet their spiritual needs, by praying.
I'm going to keep on praying, and praying, and praying. Honestly, if this is not what God wants me to do, I don't think He'll open the doors for me to do it. I'm sure somewhere he'll offer me some clarity on the situation.
I'm going to keep on praying, and praying, and praying. Honestly, if this is not what God wants me to do, I don't think He'll open the doors for me to do it. I'm sure somewhere he'll offer me some clarity on the situation.
J
Why is there a need to pray when scripture speaks directly to this subject. Pray for courage to admit you were wrong in the past. It took me 5 years to admit even the possibility that there was some possible truth that Reformed theology could even possibly be seen as slightly biblical. Now I am planning to go to a Reformed Semianry.
J
All that is mere speculation. There is no historical proof of that. And that is the second most abused verse in the Bible John 10:10. Noone ever reads the entire verse in context. It is a clear reference to not the life here and now and an emotional or financial life of abundance rather it refers to the perfect redemptive work of Christ on the Cross in defeating Satan and his work on behalf of his people.
J
Well all semetic and ancient religions divided the men from the women in some sense though there is no evidence the Early NT Church or the 2nd Temple Jewish synagogue (which was the format without any historical doubt that the NT Church was based on this) had any form of gender separation. But when persons try to rationalize the ''historical contexte'' argument with this verse they are so many problems here: 1. There is no external evidence that this was a situation for the Church it is just a claim that is made by those influenced by those affected by feminist theology. Most evangelical and liberal-critical commentaries make it clear that there is no evidence whatsoever for it. If you can give me any historical evidence I would gladly look at it. 2. This argument denies in principal that The Holy Spirit inspired a Bible that ought to be applied to us today. How far does this argument go? The argument for permitting women to lead in the church over men is HERMEUNTICALLY the exact same argument as for defending homosexuality and fornication (marriages because of commitment or strong feelings between two 15 year olds = a legtimate reason to have sex). 3. We ought not to let our culture and our own prejudices inform our reading of the text as much as possible. I used to be a commited egaltarian who supported gay marriage, women's ordination, church sponsered sex-change opperations, etc... when God first brought me to a liberal Church just 2 years before my conversion. When God saved me and I started to read the Scriptures I could no longer justify many of the things in the liberal church and so I became an mainstream purpose-driven evangelical and then the more I read the Scriptures the more I became convinced of the Reformed Faith as revealed in the Westminster Standards and the 3 forms of Unity to be the most accurate statements of theology written ever by sinful man.
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