Why pastors and preachers should not be receiving salaries
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Disagreeing with your arguments does not make us hypocrites. Telling you that your reasoning is flawed does not make us hypocrites. Resisting your hypersensitive silliness does not make us hypocrites.
Attributing greed to those who disagree with you is pathetic and is yet another logical fallacy. You began this thread by throwing around serious accusations and haven't taken an ounce of caution from the pushback you've received. Now you're calling names and slandering people directly.
With an attitude like that, you won't last long around here. You'll soon violate the site rules seriously enough to be banned.
Attributing greed to those who disagree with you is pathetic and is yet another logical fallacy. You began this thread by throwing around serious accusations and haven't taken an ounce of caution from the pushback you've received. Now you're calling names and slandering people directly.
With an attitude like that, you won't last long around here. You'll soon violate the site rules seriously enough to be banned.
No I’m not opposed to supporting the ministry. I’m opposed to those however who use what you’ve mentioned as a disguise to then use the money to fill their own pockets. Such things definitely happen that is why the mega church my ex classmate attended was exposed for financial scandal by a secular government. No one thought anything was wrong.
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Usually a lot.
I read an article one time that was very interesting. I wish I could find it.
Basically it said that the American Church alone gives more to help people in destitute situations then the entire world's governments combined.
They didn't even take into account all of the world's churches. And I am sure that the world's churches give on par with American churches.
I read an article one time that was very interesting. I wish I could find it.
Basically it said that the American Church alone gives more to help people in destitute situations then the entire world's governments combined.
They didn't even take into account all of the world's churches. And I am sure that the world's churches give on par with American churches.
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And why is it not? If I’m a pastor and I get extra money beyond what I need without sharing it with the poor would you think I’m not greedy?
Paul told Timothy, a teacher of the Gospel to be content with food and clothing and to flee from the desire for riches. Are we somehow different from Paul or Timothy that we have more needs than them?
Paul told Timothy, a teacher of the Gospel to be content with food and clothing and to flee from the desire for riches. Are we somehow different from Paul or Timothy that we have more needs than them?
In our church the salary paid to leaders is set by the trustee's.
Our leaders have no input.
Any increases are purely based on inflation.
Any expenses claimed are disclosed in the accounts along with their salaries.
My wife works for the church leading youth work.
In her secular job she would be on £50k
She is paid £10k.
We can only do that because my salary covers the bills.
Yet if I died then she would have to stop working for the church and take a secular job.
Our leaders have no input.
Any increases are purely based on inflation.
Any expenses claimed are disclosed in the accounts along with their salaries.
My wife works for the church leading youth work.
In her secular job she would be on £50k
She is paid £10k.
We can only do that because my salary covers the bills.
Yet if I died then she would have to stop working for the church and take a secular job.
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In the same chapter where Paul says he wont take anything for himself? And that the worker is worthy of his pay, and they have the right, but Paul's example himself took nothing.
9 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord? 2 If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am to you, for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 This is my defense to those who would examine me. 4 Do we not have the right to eat and drink? 5 Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife,[a] as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas? 6 Or is it only Barnabas and I who have no right to refrain from working for a living? 7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard without eating any of its fruit? Or who tends a flock without getting some of the milk?
8 Do I say these things on human authority? Does not the Law say the same? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? 10 Does he not certainly speak for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. 11 If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? 12 If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more?
Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. 13 Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? 14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.
15 But I have made no use of any of these rights, nor am I writing these things to secure any such provision. For I would rather die than have anyone deprive me of my ground for boasting. 16 For if I preach the gospel, that gives me no ground for boasting. For necessity is laid upon me. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! 17 For if I do this of my own will, I have a reward, but if not of my own will, I am still entrusted with a stewardship. 18 What then is my reward? That in my preaching I may present the gospel free of charge, so as not to make full use of my right in the gospel.
While yes the preacher is worthy of pay, but what people are referring to more in this thread are the preachers that dance on an alter covered in money chanting "money, money, money", If you can't see the difference and total wickedness what they are doing, man I don't even know what to say to that.
9 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord? 2 If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am to you, for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 This is my defense to those who would examine me. 4 Do we not have the right to eat and drink? 5 Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife,[a] as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas? 6 Or is it only Barnabas and I who have no right to refrain from working for a living? 7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard without eating any of its fruit? Or who tends a flock without getting some of the milk?
8 Do I say these things on human authority? Does not the Law say the same? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? 10 Does he not certainly speak for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. 11 If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? 12 If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more?
Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. 13 Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? 14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.
15 But I have made no use of any of these rights, nor am I writing these things to secure any such provision. For I would rather die than have anyone deprive me of my ground for boasting. 16 For if I preach the gospel, that gives me no ground for boasting. For necessity is laid upon me. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! 17 For if I do this of my own will, I have a reward, but if not of my own will, I am still entrusted with a stewardship. 18 What then is my reward? That in my preaching I may present the gospel free of charge, so as not to make full use of my right in the gospel.
While yes the preacher is worthy of pay, but what people are referring to more in this thread are the preachers that dance on an alter covered in money chanting "money, money, money", If you can't see the difference and total wickedness what they are doing, man I don't even know what to say to that.
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Yes, so what? Your going to accuse me of using things beyond my basic needs? Then let me tell you I never preached with a salary before and I’m using these things from my own labor outside of church. I’m not guilty of the same things I speak out against so boo.
Besides I use the internet to defend the truth, not to make more money. Don’t even attempt to accuse me of things I’m not guilty of.
Besides I use the internet to defend the truth, not to make more money. Don’t even attempt to accuse me of things I’m not guilty of.
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I don't count those as pastors, I count them as wolves.
When I say a pastor, I mean a diligent man of God doing the work of the ministry, delivering the truth of the Gospel, visiting widows, and orphans, and hospital bed sides, attending funerals, and weddings, and is there for God's flock daily, and many times even in the night.
When I say a pastor, I mean a diligent man of God doing the work of the ministry, delivering the truth of the Gospel, visiting widows, and orphans, and hospital bed sides, attending funerals, and weddings, and is there for God's flock daily, and many times even in the night.
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