Why the 25th of December who made the date up

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There is some crazy history in this thread. As a history major it makes me wince.
 

maxwel

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There is some crazy history in this thread. As a history major it makes me wince.
I have it on good authority that Christmas was put on December 25th because all the other good days were taken.
 
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Hi new to forum, quick question, Just can't find December 25th nowhere in the bible who made this date up?
Dec. 25 is the birthday of the Roman sun god, Sol Invictus. The pagans also celebrated the Saturnalia and the church basically usurp the holiday as more and more pagans began to convert. As pagans converted the church should have insisted that they stop their celebrations rather than co opt them.
 

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Dec. 25 is the birthday of the Roman sun god, Sol Invictus. The pagans also celebrated the Saturnalia and the church basically usurp the holiday as more and more pagans began to convert. As pagans converted the church should have insisted that they stop their celebrations rather than co opt them.
This has to be one of the most repeated, and unsupportable myths on the planet.

(1) 25 Dec was not the date for Sol Invictus.

(2) Saturnalia is not Sol Invictus, nor is Saturnalia on 25 Dec.

(3) There is no evidence that Christmas originated from either Sol Invictus or Saturnalia.
 
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Dean

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It's based on astronamy, the sun moves one degree every day then on 22nd 23rd 24th the sun don't move a degree at all but on the 25th of December it moves one degree again so gods sun came back to life on 25th December, it's sun worship based on astronamy in my eyes but please people don't get mad at me its only my point of view every one is intitled to there own view aren't they
 
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This has to be one of the most repeated, and unsupportable myths on the planet.

(1) 25 Dec was not the date for Sol Invictus.

(2) Saturnalia is not Sol Invictus, nor is Saturnalia on 25 Dec.

(3) There is no evidence that Christmas originated from either Sol Invictus or Saturnalia.
I didn't say the Saturnalia had anything to do with Sol Invictus, nor did I say the Saturnalia was on Dec. 25. Regarding Sol Invictus and the 25th, you're welcome to proved some evidence to the contrary.
 
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It's based on astronamy, the sun moves one degree every day then on 22nd 23rd 24th the sun don't move a degree at all but on the 25th of December it moves one degree again so gods sun came back to life on 25th December, it's sun worship based on astronamy in my eyes but please people don't get mad at me its only my point of view every one is intitled to there own view aren't they
Many people get bent out of shape when Christmas is questioned. Whatever anyone wants to say it's still a tradition of men, not God. What's sad is that many Christians will celebrate this man made holiday, but don't celebrate God's feast days.
 
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Dean

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This has to be one of the most repeated, and unsupportable myths on the planet.

(1) 25 Dec was not the date for Sol Invictus.

(2) Saturnalia is not Sol Invictus, nor is Saturnalia on 25 Dec.

(3) There is no evidence that Christmas originated from either Sol Invictus or Saturnalia.
THERE NO EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING IS THERE
 
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No, the original New Year is in the spring...

Exo 12:2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.

has always been and still is.
That was after the fall of Adam and Eve; but the second new year was established with Noah.
 
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Kerry

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I made the date and I set it up, therefore it must be. Who cares and what difference does it make? Tradition say's that Christ was born in December or November. The important fact is that His crucifixion was on such and such date. The fact is that he was born of virgin which fulfills prophecy and died on the cross and said I thirst and all of His bone were out of joint and not broken which fulfills prophecy. Why put a date, why trust in a day. We celebrate the birth of Christ on December the 25th was He born on this day probably not as they were in hiding, what difference does it make should we celebrate his birth on July 5th or everyday?
 
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I made the date and I set it up, therefore it must be. Who cares and what difference does it make? T
radition say's that Christ was born in December or November. The important fact is that His crucifixion was on such and such date. The fact is that he was born of virgin which fulfills prophecy and died on the cross and said I thirst and all of His bone were out of joint and not broken which fulfills prophecy. Why put a date, why trust in a day. We celebrate the birth of Christ on December the 25th was He born on this day probably not as they were in hiding, what difference does it make should we celebrate his birth on July 5th or everyday?

Only thing that we will have to do is change the lyrics to the songs, like for an instance, Frosty the snowman will have to be change to Sandy the sandman.

 
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Kerry

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Only thing that we will have to do is change the lyrics to the songs, like for an instance, Frosty the snowman will have to be change to Sandy the sandman.

Which has nothing to do with biblical reference.
 
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Kerry

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Have you ever been to Chile in December well it's 85 degrees and summer time.
 

prove-all

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That was after the fall of Adam and Eve; but the second new year was established with Noah.
11In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in (the second month), the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

3And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of
the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

4And the ark rested in (the seventh month), on the seventeenth day of the month,
upon the mountains of Ararat


second new year ?

the same year before and after flood nothing new
 
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No, the original New Year is in the spring...

Exo 12:2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.

has always been and still is.
Umm...guys it depends on who we are talking about...Jews celebrate New Year's around the end of summer, the Celts celebrated New Year's around the end of Autumn, the ancient Norse celebrated New Year's in the spring...So...whose New Year's are we talking about?
 

Hizikyah

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Umm...guys it depends on who we are talking about...Jews celebrate New Year's around the end of summer, the Celts celebrated New Year's around the end of Autumn, the ancient Norse celebrated New Year's in the spring...So...whose New Year's are we talking about?
John832 is going off the Creators calendar, the new year is Around April 1st,

haters of righteousness thus came up with "April fools day"

when Yahshua returns all will be set right,
 
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11In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in (the second month), the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

3And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of
the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

4And the ark rested in (the seventh month), on the seventeenth day of the month,
upon the mountains of Ararat


second new year ?

the same year before and after flood nothing new
The New beginning, New year for the people.

13 By the first day of the first month of Noah’s six hundred and first year (Noah had turn 601 years old or you can say, how long he was on the earth, not what the first month of our year, but since Noah was born), the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry. 14 By the twenty-seventh day of the second month (Of Noah's Life-time) the earth was completely dry.


18 The sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem, Ham and Japheth. (Ham was the father of Canaan.) 19 These were the three sons of Noah, and from them came the people who were scattered over the whole earth.20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard
(Seedtime).

“As long as the earth endures,
seedtime and harvest,
cold and heat,
summer and winter,
day and night
will never cease.”

Plant vines in the dormant season from late autumn until early spring, to the same depth that they were in the pot, providing the ground is not waterlogged or frozen. In areas with cold winters, March planting is preferable. The vine stems should be greater than pencil thickness, so they are not damaged by frost. Tease out the roots and spread them evenly around the planting hole before backfilling with soil. https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=288