WHY THE KING JAMES VERSION?
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Right, it doesn't affect our salvation. That's why I said I don't have an issue with people who like the KJV, or pretty much any version for that matter. An error is still an error (and as far as I know, it's not an error in the original manuscripts). Of course, for intellectual purposes (like many of the discussion on here) some translations are better than others, and some translations should be avoided.
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Have you read my other post about missing verses in the NIV?
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/48203-why-king-james-version-3.html#post779127
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The real problem is not the version we have but the source from which they were translated.
King James Bible 1611
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"So, doesn't it seem of vital importance that we should make sure that this book, upon which we are basing our eternal destiny, and which we read each day (in quiet time and to our children) and the book that we are studying each Sunday at church, is based on the original, unaltered Greek manuscripts and is truly the Word of God?"
Taken from the website. And there's the thing. Like I said, whenever you translate between two different languages, and it doesn't matter what 2, it could be english and greek, english and french, french and spanish, etc., you're going to run into issues. For instace, there are some greek words that have no direct english translation, or there's some words that could have multiple different english meanings. KJV doesn't fix that.
Once again, I don't advocate against the KJV, and I'm not "only for" one translation. I would encourage looking up passages in multiple different translations and studying some of the greek roots (it just depends on how intellectually deep the person wants to go).
Taken from the website. And there's the thing. Like I said, whenever you translate between two different languages, and it doesn't matter what 2, it could be english and greek, english and french, french and spanish, etc., you're going to run into issues. For instace, there are some greek words that have no direct english translation, or there's some words that could have multiple different english meanings. KJV doesn't fix that.
Once again, I don't advocate against the KJV, and I'm not "only for" one translation. I would encourage looking up passages in multiple different translations and studying some of the greek roots (it just depends on how intellectually deep the person wants to go).
Me personally, i know the KJV is the right version, because God Himself has protected it and preserved it for over 400 years, even though satan has tried to get rid of it many times. Also i believe it is the right version because many Christian servants of the lord were killed in order to bring the Bible to the general public, or killed to protect it, or killed because they believed it, or even had a KJV Bible on them. Also i believe it is the right version because many of our brothers and sisters in the Lord came to believe in our Lord Jesus Christ because of it. Me personally i choose to believe in a version that i KNOW God has approved, then to believe translations that the last days generation has come up with, because people in the last days generation, felt that the KJV (the Word of God) needed to be fixed, or repaired, because it was outdated, or too difficult to understand, and was wrong, and needed to be redone. Sorry, for me i will stick with what God has protected and preserved. The versions this generation believe and read now, will not be the same version our children will read and believe, there is another version being written every day.
Think about it, if satan can't get rid of the KJV, because he has tried, what is the next best thing, or strategy for him to do? Well wouldn't he come up with hundreds of over versions which are diluted, water-downed, and ear pleasing. Which would indeed cause much confusion, debate, strife, and even cause people to fall away from the Faith. Yeah that is exactly what he would do, and has done.
Please don't get me wrong. Any book that can bring a person to the Lord Jesus Christ is not a bad book. Any version that can bring a person to the Lord is a good book. i am only saying if you are going to do some serious study of the Word, and want to put that word in your heart, if i were you, i would not trust any other version, except what i know God has been in. and the KJV is the version that God brought about to the English speaking people of this world. To me, and i have the Spirit of God in me, the KJV is the Word of God, other versions of the Bible are merely interpretations of man. Tell me, How many times is God going to be present to make sure His Word is interpreted as He wants it to be interpreted? ONCE not thousands of different times based on the whims of man. When God saw to it that the KJV came about, He made sure it was as He wanted it. and He has protected it, preserved it, and many of our brothers and sisters in the Lord were martyrs because of it.
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Think about it, if satan can't get rid of the KJV, because he has tried, what is the next best thing, or strategy for him to do? Well wouldn't he come up with hundreds of over versions which are diluted, water-downed, and ear pleasing. Which would indeed cause much confusion, debate, strife, and even cause people to fall away from the Faith. Yeah that is exactly what he would do, and has done.
Please don't get me wrong. Any book that can bring a person to the Lord Jesus Christ is not a bad book. Any version that can bring a person to the Lord is a good book. i am only saying if you are going to do some serious study of the Word, and want to put that word in your heart, if i were you, i would not trust any other version, except what i know God has been in. and the KJV is the version that God brought about to the English speaking people of this world. To me, and i have the Spirit of God in me, the KJV is the Word of God, other versions of the Bible are merely interpretations of man. Tell me, How many times is God going to be present to make sure His Word is interpreted as He wants it to be interpreted? ONCE not thousands of different times based on the whims of man. When God saw to it that the KJV came about, He made sure it was as He wanted it. and He has protected it, preserved it, and many of our brothers and sisters in the Lord were martyrs because of it.
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it is sinful to take away from God's Word but when the KJV was done in 1611 they knew it was not the first english bible the Bishops bible and Geneva bible as well other came before it the Dious Rheims came soon after it but they always knew it would not be the only bible in fact America was founded on the Geneva bible which is why is also known by the name Pligrim bible the KJV was not used in this till much later in this countrys history
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I am curious--those of you who attest to the perfection of the KJV, what say you about the New King James?
Also, if you truly want examples of error in the KJV, look here------->King James Version
(don't worry--the author also has things to say about other English versions
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You can check the Greek at biblos.com for yourselves.
There are things about the KJV that are fairly incomprehensible to modern day English speakers. For instance, 2 Thes. 2:7 in the King James says:
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
Today, we understand the word "let" to mean "allow". But here the Greek means "to restrain", and so it is translated in more modern versions.
I love my KJV Bible. I am blessed to have many different translations in our house. I just don't think our favoritism should blind us.
Hope I don't offend anyone, with my whole heart.
~ellie
Also, if you truly want examples of error in the KJV, look here------->King James Version
(don't worry--the author also has things to say about other English versions
) You can check the Greek at biblos.com for yourselves.
There are things about the KJV that are fairly incomprehensible to modern day English speakers. For instance, 2 Thes. 2:7 in the King James says:
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
Today, we understand the word "let" to mean "allow". But here the Greek means "to restrain", and so it is translated in more modern versions.
I love my KJV Bible. I am blessed to have many different translations in our house. I just don't think our favoritism should blind us.
Hope I don't offend anyone, with my whole heart.
~ellie
Any bible that has used any but the recieved texts has been sabotaged, I would take accidental poor wording any day over false scripture, it is the difference of 100% food and rat poison 99.9% good food 00.1% death. Any great lie is draped in truth. I have a niv, its in the rest room (it sees much use) but for any real descertion it must be with my kjv, I also hope I havent offended.
(it sees much use) but for any real descertion it must be with my kjv, I also hope I havent offended.
Doesn't the New King James merely change thee's to the, and thou's to you? If so then it is fine.
The King James version was written EXACTLY as God wanted it written, man has dissected the above verse, broke it down, took it to the original Hebrew and Greek, cross examined it, and then came up with a conclusion that it is in error. ALL this done without the Holy Spirit of God. Let me say that again. ALL of that was done WITHOUT the Holy Spirit of God. Man through man's own wisdom came to the conclusion that the Word of God (KJV) is WRONG, incorrect, and needs to be discarded and a new one to replace it, man and only man has come to this conclusion.
In Truth the Holy Spirit will reveal to a person what the Holy Spirit wants to reveal, and when He wants to reveal it. When a person reaches a spiritual level, in which the Holy Spirit feels the person can receive it, will then give that person the understanding of any verse that is in Question. Man and their interpretations only confuse the work of the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Ghost that reveals knowledge to us concerning things spiritual, even the Word of God. man should not, nor ever interpret the Word of God based on his/her own intellegence and or knowledge. The Holy Ghost teaches a person the Truths of God, the Holy Ghost reveals the understanding of His Word.
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I would never read the KJV or trust it.
I believe the many scholars who worked at the translation truly did the best they could to be accurate, I am sure they had God’s assistance, but I do not think they were so perfect or listened to God so well they didn’t reflect the beliefs at the time they were writing in. For instance, I think they would have liked to take the Jewishness out of scripture, even though that was difficult because God used the Jews for showing Himself to the world, and Jesus was a Jew.
History at that time was interesting. The inquisition in Spain, the printing press just invented, America just beginning, Luther changing the world. I don’t think it was possible for the translators to not be affected by the times they lived in
I believe the many scholars who worked at the translation truly did the best they could to be accurate, I am sure they had God’s assistance, but I do not think they were so perfect or listened to God so well they didn’t reflect the beliefs at the time they were writing in. For instance, I think they would have liked to take the Jewishness out of scripture, even though that was difficult because God used the Jews for showing Himself to the world, and Jesus was a Jew.
History at that time was interesting. The inquisition in Spain, the printing press just invented, America just beginning, Luther changing the world. I don’t think it was possible for the translators to not be affected by the times they lived in
Are you saying then that thousands of people who did read it and trust it, were wrong to do so?
Do you believe we are in the last days?
Does the generation that live in the last days going to produce BETTER and more accurate Bible Translations? or is it more likely that the generation of the last day people are going to interpret it in such a way that will be beneficial to those living in the last days?
Doesn't Jesus describe the people in the last days? And this generation we are going to trust with NEW interpretations of the Bible.
Which is more likely to be the one you pick.
1) a translation that was not interpreted by the last days generation or
2) a translation that came out of the last days generation?
So my question is , if you do not trust the KJV which has been around for over 400 years, but instead would trust versions that come out of this last days generation. Are you then saying that all those who did read the KJV and trusted in it for their Salvation, and Truly believed it was the Word of God, were wrong to read it and trust it?
which brings me to another question: If those prior to 1970, who did indeed read and trust the KJV Bible, were wrong to do so, were they truly Saved or not?
my point is, if they (those prior to 1970 who did trust the KJV) were Saved because of the KJV, what has changed? Could i not read and Trust the KJV just as they did prior to 1970 and still go to Heaven just as all those who read and trusted the KJV will also go to Heaven.
If then they, who trusted the KJV, were Truly Saved because they read it and trusted it, can't you also read it and trust it and be Saved even as they were, or do you believe they were not Truly Saved because they trusted the KJV which was not to be trusted?
Prior to 1970 the KJV was and without doubt considered the Word of God, but somehow people changed it, the KJV somehow was demoted, was no longer considered the Word of God as it was before. Might this be because the last days generation stepped in, and decided the KJV was in need of improvement, based solely on what man believed to be the Truth, based on man's interpretation of the Word of God.
To me it is ironic. Scriptures over and over again put down those who are learned, yet these are the very people that we (the last days generation) listen to fullheartedly. It is the learned who came up with the new translations, the LEARNED, who we (according to Scriptures) are to be weary of. To me that is ironic indeed.
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Do you believe we are in the last days?
Does the generation that live in the last days going to produce BETTER and more accurate Bible Translations? or is it more likely that the generation of the last day people are going to interpret it in such a way that will be beneficial to those living in the last days?
Doesn't Jesus describe the people in the last days? And this generation we are going to trust with NEW interpretations of the Bible.
Which is more likely to be the one you pick.
1) a translation that was not interpreted by the last days generation or
2) a translation that came out of the last days generation?
So my question is , if you do not trust the KJV which has been around for over 400 years, but instead would trust versions that come out of this last days generation. Are you then saying that all those who did read the KJV and trusted in it for their Salvation, and Truly believed it was the Word of God, were wrong to read it and trust it?
which brings me to another question: If those prior to 1970, who did indeed read and trust the KJV Bible, were wrong to do so, were they truly Saved or not?
my point is, if they (those prior to 1970 who did trust the KJV) were Saved because of the KJV, what has changed? Could i not read and Trust the KJV just as they did prior to 1970 and still go to Heaven just as all those who read and trusted the KJV will also go to Heaven.
If then they, who trusted the KJV, were Truly Saved because they read it and trusted it, can't you also read it and trust it and be Saved even as they were, or do you believe they were not Truly Saved because they trusted the KJV which was not to be trusted?
Prior to 1970 the KJV was and without doubt considered the Word of God, but somehow people changed it, the KJV somehow was demoted, was no longer considered the Word of God as it was before. Might this be because the last days generation stepped in, and decided the KJV was in need of improvement, based solely on what man believed to be the Truth, based on man's interpretation of the Word of God.
To me it is ironic. Scriptures over and over again put down those who are learned, yet these are the very people that we (the last days generation) listen to fullheartedly. It is the learned who came up with the new translations, the LEARNED, who we (according to Scriptures) are to be weary of. To me that is ironic indeed.
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