Why the king james?

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Grace777x70

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Nothing wrong with that translation....it just 'conflicts" with your whole religious tradition...we all know it was our Lord...but to the Babylonians....that's the way they looked at that 4th man in with the 3 Hebrews..

Not everything in the bible is a statement of truth...but everything in scriptures is truly stated...even God said that He didn't believe what was written about Him in some scriptures.....

In Dan. 3:12, the enemies of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego brought this charge against them: "They do not serve your (Nebuchadnezzar's) gods or worship the gold image which you have set up." The exiled Jews were unwavering in their devotion to the true and living God.

In Dan. 3:25, the Babylonian king exclaimed, "the appearance of the fourth [in the furnace] is like a son of the gods." In 5:4, it says that the nobles of Belshazzar "drank wine, and praised the gods of gold and silver, bronze and iron, wood and stone." In v. 25, Daniel declared, "the gods of silver and gold, bronze and iron, wood and stone do not see or hear or know."

Complete Biblical Library Hebrew-English Dictionary - The Complete Biblical Library Hebrew-English Dictionary – Aleph-Beth.


KJV1611 said:
There's nothing wrong with that English transalation but there is something wrong with the one below. God doesn't mix truth with error.. if he did no one could ever know what the truth is.

Daniel 3:25New American Standard Bible (NASB)

25 He said, “Look! I see four men loosed and walking about in the midst of the fire [a]without harm, and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods!”
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eternally-gratefull said:
Just because you explained what you believe does not make it to be true. Your not God. I do not agree with your interpretation or explanation, because it is flawed.



Simple? it is simple. No one in acts 4 would have read Easter. or even the resurrection. What was discussed was the jewish holiday of Passover.. The church was not even old enough, or big enough to establish its own national holidays which would have been known to all. Imagine the people it was first wrote to seeing easter instead of Passover,, Yeah right, whatever

Believe what you want, but your wrong on this issue.
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Ok back your statement up then... what did I say that was wrong. Is the passover lamb a shadow of Christ? Is the feast of passover a shadow of the death burial and resurrection of Christ. Do we as Christians celebrate the death angel passing over or do we celebrate the death burial and resurrection?

What was being discussed in Acts was the feast of passover which since it has been fulfilled is now called easter. The KJV translators either knew it or were inspired by God to treat it that way. They are both the same celebrations, one is a shodow and one is the real. Try to wrap your head around that... you know it's true yet you will still deny it. I don't think God will let doubters of his word see those types of things.
 
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Grace777x70 said:

Nothing wrong with that translation....it just 'conflicts" with your whole religious tradition...we all know it was our Lord...but to the Babylonians....that's the way they looked at that 4th man in with the 3 Hebrews..

Not everything in the bible is a statement of truth...but everything in scriptures is truly stated...even God said that He didn't believe what was written about Him in some scriptures.....

In Dan. 3:12, the enemies of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego brought this charge against them: "They do not serve your (Nebuchadnezzar's) gods or worship the gold image which you have set up." The exiled Jews were unwavering in their devotion to the true and living God.

In Dan. 3:25, the Babylonian king exclaimed, "the appearance of the fourth [in the furnace] is like a son of the gods." In 5:4, it says that the nobles of Belshazzar "drank wine, and praised the gods of gold and silver, bronze and iron, wood and stone." In v. 25, Daniel declared, "the gods of silver and gold, bronze and iron, wood and stone do not see or hear or know."

Complete Biblical Library Hebrew-English Dictionary - The Complete Biblical Library Hebrew-English Dictionary – Aleph-Beth.




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that's the problem with being blinded by your belief system.

The word translated God in Hebrew is the plural form. Elohim.. So God or Gods would be a proper translation..
 
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But it "conflicts" with what people are taught from a kid on up...we all have heard about the 4th man in the fire sermons...tradition blinds us.....we all know it was our Lord in there but to the Babylonians...it was like one of the gods...big deal...:)


eternally-gratefull said:
that's the problem with being blinded by your belief system.

The word translated God in Hebrew is the plural form. Elohim.. So God or Gods would be a proper translation..
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KJV1611 said:
Prove it... where are all the errors in the KJV? I've already explained Easter and you people can't grasp it... it's beyond your comprehension even though it's as simple as simple can be.
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New American Standard Bible
Then the LORD said to me, "Go again, love a woman who is loved by her husband, yet an adulteress, even as the LORD loves the sons of Israel, though they turn to other gods and love raisin cakes(ashishah)."

King James Bible
Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of herfriend, yet an adulteress, according to the love of the LORD toward the children of Israel, who look to other gods, and love flagons(ashishah) of wine.

ashishah: a raisin cake​
Original Word: אֲשִׁישֵׁי
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: ashishah
Phonetic Spelling: (ash-ee-shaw')
Short Definition: cakes
 
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KJV1611 said:
Ok back your statement up then... what did I say that was wrong. Is the passover lamb a shadow of Christ? Is the feast of passover a shadow of the death burial and resurrection of Christ. Do we as Christians celebrate the death angel passing over or do we celebrate the death burial and resurrection?

What was being discussed in Acts was the feast of passover which since it has been fulfilled is now called easter. The KJV translators either knew it or were inspired by God to treat it that way. They are both the same celebrations, one is a shodow and one is the real. Try to wrap your head around that... you know it's true yet you will still deny it. I don't think God will let doubters of his word see those types of things.
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We are discussing how in acts 4, and the people who wrote it and origionaly read it. Would read it.

Not what some translators in the 1600s. or you and I would think it should say.

So yes, you are wrong. period. No one in the time of the writing of acts would have meant it to say easter.

In fact it was still probably called Passover then, Because of the c ross. God passes over our sin.. Easter was a pagan holiday or did you not know that??

 
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[video=youtube;oXlYLaZUlhg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXlYLaZUlhg[/video]
 
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But you can't point to where it's at. If you don't have something certain to point to, you become the final authority.
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I do. the words written in the original autographs are my final authority..

I have interpretations of those autographs, and greek and Hebrew helps to help me if I am confused as to what something means, it does not take away from the word. because I might be confused about a faulty interpretation.
 
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so is anyone going to discuss the English word love in John 12. or is that to hard for you?
 
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Grace777x70 said:

Nothing wrong with that translation....it just 'conflicts" with your whole religious tradition...we all know it was our Lord...but to the Babylonians....that's the way they looked at that 4th man in with the 3 Hebrews..

Not everything in the bible is a statement of truth...but everything in scriptures is truly stated...even God said that He didn't believe what was written about Him in some scriptures.....

In Dan. 3:12, the enemies of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego brought this charge against them: "They do not serve your (Nebuchadnezzar's) gods or worship the gold image which you have set up." The exiled Jews were unwavering in their devotion to the true and living God.

In Dan. 3:25, the Babylonian king exclaimed, "the appearance of the fourth [in the furnace] is like a son of the gods." In 5:4, it says that the nobles of Belshazzar "drank wine, and praised the gods of gold and silver, bronze and iron, wood and stone." In v. 25, Daniel declared, "the gods of silver and gold, bronze and iron, wood and stone do not see or hear or know."

Complete Biblical Library Hebrew-English Dictionary - The Complete Biblical Library Hebrew-English Dictionary – Aleph-Beth.




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The KJV says it was the Son of God, the newer versions say a son of the gods. One gives an accurate acccount and one lies. The two bibles don't agree, one is the word of God and the other a lie... it's that simple. I don't like new age bibles, I'm not a new ager and my saviour is not a son of the gods. You really should do some research on this subject because in prompoting that bible, you are promoting a false christ.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
so is anyone going to discuss the English word love in John 12. or is that to hard for you?
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I'm not interested in that agape, phileo, eros garbage because it has nothing to do with why Jesus asked him three times.
 
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my goodness.....come on....read what happened...an accurate account in your "confirmed KJV only word of God"..that is foolishness....sorry but I just can't buy that stuff.....bibliolatry.....

KJV1611 said:
The KJV says it was the Son of God, the newer versions say a son of the gods. One gives an accurate acccount and one lies. The two bibles don't agree, one is the word of God and the other a lie... it's that simple. I don't like new age bibles, I'm not a new ager and my saviour is not a son of the gods. You really should do some research on this subject because in prompoting that bible, you are promoting a false christ.
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Grace777x70 said:
I'd "love" to but I would hate to do it now.....:cool:
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which type of love would that be?

Agape,

Eros

Phileo

Storge

,, It makes a huge difference, I want to interpret it right so I do not misunderstand what your trying to say.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I'm not interested in that agape, phileo, eros garbage because it has nothing to do with why Jesus asked him three times.
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Actually yes it does. Unless you think Jesus wasted his breath.

Talk about arrogant.. You think Jesus just said things, and did not have meaning behind it?

Your arrogance, and the arrogance of those like you in areas such as this is what gives your form of Christianity a bad name, and why it It should be defeated.
 
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Ok..I'm off...you guys all play nice now..and watch out for those translations of the "anti-Christ".....:rolleyes:


 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Actually yes it does. Unless you think Jesus wasted his breath.

Talk about arrogant.. You think Jesus just said things, and did not have meaning behind it?

Your arrogance, and the arrogance of those like you in areas such as this is what gives your form of Christianity a bad name, and why it It should be defeated.
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Nothing is more freeing than to hear God say, I know and understand you do not love me like you should right now. But I want you to go out and do my work anyway,

Peter could not come to say he agape'd Jesus at this time because he had just sinned a great sin, If we are all honest. non of us could come to God and say, Yes God I love you with the deepenst most intimate of loves possible, (if we wr true to ourselves)

But God showed peter, it did not matter.. Even if you can only phileo me, I stil want you to feed my sheep.

I could not find that in any English text. It was not until I did a greak study that this truth stood out. and so how I have been encouraged with these words of Jesus..

he did exactly what peter needed And what we all need when we are down.

Peter, do you agape me?

Yeah Lord, how many times do I have to tell you I phileo you.

That's ok peter Feed my sheep anyway.

Oh what a powerful message!
 
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Grace777x70 said:
But it "conflicts" with what people are taught from a kid on up...we all have heard about the 4th man in the fire sermons...tradition blinds us.....we all know it was our Lord in there but to the Babylonians...it was like one of the gods...big deal...:)
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Do the actual words written on the pages of the bible ever come into play? Remember the actually words written down on paper say a woman is not to teach a man or usurp his authority. Is this one of those "we all know Paul didn't really mean that" type of thing or do we beileve the actual words for what they say?

There's no way this type of exegesis can ever lead one to the truth, it just props up the lies we want to believe is the truth.
 
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