Why the king james?
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...sounds like circular reasoning (...defines itself).
How did the KJV come to exist?
What languages were translated into KJV?
Since KJV is in English, what about all the folks who do not understand English--are they damned until they learn a new language?
A group of men got together and created the KJV. What did they have available to them (tools, scriptures)? I understand the original texts were in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. I understand it's very difficult to translate Hebrew into English with 100% accuracy. This is why lexicons and dictionaries are beneficial.
How did the KJV come to exist?
What languages were translated into KJV?
Since KJV is in English, what about all the folks who do not understand English--are they damned until they learn a new language?
A group of men got together and created the KJV. What did they have available to them (tools, scriptures)? I understand the original texts were in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. I understand it's very difficult to translate Hebrew into English with 100% accuracy. This is why lexicons and dictionaries are beneficial.
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Same with greek.
The greek has word tenses, and other language which can not be properly interpreted in a "word for word' interpretation.
ie, English has past (were) present (is) and future (will be)
Greek has aorist, perfect and other tenses, which can only be translated ito English using one of the three English tense words. Which would be a faulty translation and not fully true.
The greek has word tenses, and other language which can not be properly interpreted in a "word for word' interpretation.
ie, English has past (were) present (is) and future (will be)
Greek has aorist, perfect and other tenses, which can only be translated ito English using one of the three English tense words. Which would be a faulty translation and not fully true.
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you know, at this point I want to call you a dingbat...so let's just ignore me
no one should trust a Bible 100%...the very fact that even you King Jamesies can't all agree is living proof of that
the Bible in any translation tells us that it is GOD who keeps us and in Whom we should place ALL our trust
even YOUR Bible says that
see, you are trusting a book..because that is all the Bible is without the Holy Spirit and apparently, He has not let you in on the secret, that the Word became flesh or this:
27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10 KJV
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Ok let me help you try to figure it out, here are a few points.
The KJV is just one translation, there has been many before it and many after and
God willing if we don't all blow ourselves to smitherenes or Jesus returns, there will
be many more to follow.
I wonder if when the KJV came out, people also had
the same debate saying the KJV was in error and a previous version was better etc.
The language is archiac, old, out dated, yes some can follow it - im one of them I was
brought up with the KJV. I even still remember various verse better in the KJV than
other version. But I would never insist that people must read the bible in old
language only.
Here is one reason why as an example. My elderly aunt is a Christian she is 80, she
easily gets confused, she finds it hard to follow complicated story lines on TV, or follow
news or other reading material, including the bible if they are not straight forward and
easy to take in. For her now the KJV is too complicated, she cannot get past all the
thees and thys to understand the passages. So I bought her an easy to read
translation in modern language which flows better. It is possible she may have early
stage vascular dementia. For someone in that position would you still recommend the
KJV?
Another example, I know a lady in our women's group who has learning difficulties. So
much so that she got breast cancer 18 months ago but did not tell anyone about the lump
or know how to deal with it. She did not tell anyone until it was very advanced. Praise God
though he has brought her though all that now. But this learning difficulty also makes it
hard for her to understand things unless they can be broken down in simple truths.
Would you tell her that she should only read the KJV.
Other instances where other versions are better. I have not done it for a while now but
on a few occasions I have set about the task of reading through the bible very quickly.
To refresh myself about the settings, the truths, the characters of the bible etc. It is not
intended to be an in depth bible study. But a quick read of the bible with the aim to read it
through within maybe 9-10 months or shorter if possible. When I have done this I have
used an easy to read version. Along the way I note down passages to go back and study
in depth later. Then during what I think of as a proper bible study, I use a few different
versions to better understand the passage.
In other words the bible is a tool, a resource, it isn't a golden calf. Just as a carpenter
uses different types of saws, screws, nails for different jobs. Different versions of the
bible assist different circumstances. If you still cannot figure this out I honestly don't
know any other way to explain it to you.
I do understand what you mean about disliking certain versions, there are ones I
chose not to use. But if a person is having a wonderful time of discovering God via
a particular version and they find it is helpful to them. Then I am not going to put
them off by saying "oh but that doesn't mean anything as its not the KJV" etc.
People usually learn and grow at their own pace and come to decide on their
own about which version they prefer. If it inspires them and draws then closer to
God, then it is doing what it was intended for.
The KJV is just one translation, there has been many before it and many after and
God willing if we don't all blow ourselves to smitherenes or Jesus returns, there will
be many more to follow.
I wonder if when the KJV came out, people also had the same debate saying the KJV was in error and a previous version was better etc.
The language is archiac, old, out dated, yes some can follow it - im one of them I was
brought up with the KJV. I even still remember various verse better in the KJV than
other version. But I would never insist that people must read the bible in old
language only.
Here is one reason why as an example. My elderly aunt is a Christian she is 80, she
easily gets confused, she finds it hard to follow complicated story lines on TV, or follow
news or other reading material, including the bible if they are not straight forward and
easy to take in. For her now the KJV is too complicated, she cannot get past all the
thees and thys to understand the passages. So I bought her an easy to read
translation in modern language which flows better. It is possible she may have early
stage vascular dementia. For someone in that position would you still recommend the
KJV?
Another example, I know a lady in our women's group who has learning difficulties. So
much so that she got breast cancer 18 months ago but did not tell anyone about the lump
or know how to deal with it. She did not tell anyone until it was very advanced. Praise God
though he has brought her though all that now. But this learning difficulty also makes it
hard for her to understand things unless they can be broken down in simple truths.
Would you tell her that she should only read the KJV.
Other instances where other versions are better. I have not done it for a while now but
on a few occasions I have set about the task of reading through the bible very quickly.
To refresh myself about the settings, the truths, the characters of the bible etc. It is not
intended to be an in depth bible study. But a quick read of the bible with the aim to read it
through within maybe 9-10 months or shorter if possible. When I have done this I have
used an easy to read version. Along the way I note down passages to go back and study
in depth later. Then during what I think of as a proper bible study, I use a few different
versions to better understand the passage.
In other words the bible is a tool, a resource, it isn't a golden calf. Just as a carpenter
uses different types of saws, screws, nails for different jobs. Different versions of the
bible assist different circumstances. If you still cannot figure this out I honestly don't
know any other way to explain it to you.
I do understand what you mean about disliking certain versions, there are ones I
chose not to use. But if a person is having a wonderful time of discovering God via
a particular version and they find it is helpful to them. Then I am not going to put
them off by saying "oh but that doesn't mean anything as its not the KJV" etc.
People usually learn and grow at their own pace and come to decide on their
own about which version they prefer. If it inspires them and draws then closer to
God, then it is doing what it was intended for.
Context is relative to the reader. You see the context as Nebuchadnezzar was a pagan therefor he said a son of the gods, you don't consider it even possible that God could have put any words in Nebuchanezzars mouth that he wanted. The point is, no one but God knows what came out of Nebuchadnezzar's mouth. Only God can translate Elahh from the original language to English because only God knows.
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The Holy Spirit has shown me only God is perfect
Everything on earth is going to burn one day including all the Bibles
Only God is eternal
Fear God...not a Bible...nor a human being
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Rev. 14:7
Then why doesn't every bible say he's the only begotten? And yes you're right Israel did not die for the sins of the world and I never said they did. Israel is the firstborn... the firstborn that should have inheritted the world but lost the inheritance because of sin. That's why Christ the second born is now the rightful heir. Now those of us firstborn who have been born again (second born) can be joint heirs with Christ the second born son of God.
Daniel 3:25King James Version (KJV)
25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Daniel 3:25New International Version (NIV)
25 He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”
25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Daniel 3:25New International Version (NIV)
25 He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”
No I'm saying that just like in English, Hebrew and Greek words have multiple meanings i.e. ʼĕlâhh, el-aw'; (Aramaic) corresponding to H433; God:—God, god. The word can mean God or god. Strong doesn't know what Nebuchadnezzar said neither does anyone else know, only God knows. It's not up to us to determine if it should be God or god because we don't know.