Why the king james?

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John146

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When you got saved, did you put your trust in Jesus or the Scripture that told you about Jesus? You're trusting that Scripture is correct about the Savior. The Lord Jesus Christ cannot separated Himself from Scripture.

so, God is book??? alrighty then......................
 

John146

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Totally agree. But, what does the Lord think about versions of His word that contain untruths? Do you think He sees that as a good practice? Reading so called Scripture that cannot be trusted 100%? Why would He put so much emphasis on trusting Scripture and not preserve it for us? How can we be sanctified by truth, if we don't have it?

correct. one can know Jesus without the 1611 version, because Jesus is Lord, not a book.
 

fredoheaven

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actually, you just keep your very own word and consider all who do not obey YOU as lost

same goes for chuck and the rest

it is just silly the way you all carry on and support each other in your misplaced trust in a version of the Bible that is not at all inspired
A false accusation. We are not discussing Salvation here. This is not a lost and found idea you are inferring...
 

fredoheaven

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yes...but you guys are doodling around in the 1611 verson and then disavowing certain things in that version

I guess you all are still perfecting the version

the point is, it was not the first translation

you have an exclusionary view...everyone outside of what YOU believe is wrong

that's wrong
yea, still you have no idea of the KJV issue. Elementary...it 's actually the New Versions that are still perfecting since they all contradict each other. You are wrong again
 

John146

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The KJV debate is not an issue until someone claims they have a Holy Bible other than the KJV.
 
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Originally Posted by gb9


so, God is book??? alrighty then......................

Why would you think a spirit can't dwell in a book?
I just realized this concept is hard for folks who don't believe every word in the bible is true so bare with me as I try to explain. This is undeniable proof that the Word of God and the word of God and the word of the Lord are all the same.

John 6:63 KJV
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

From Johm 6:63 we know 1) the spirit brings life and 2) the spirit that brings life is the words that Jesus spoke. The words that Jesus spoke are written in a book. The spirit that quickens resides in the book that contains the words of Jesus.
 

Agricola

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Every word in my NIV Bible is true. You still have not come up with any undeniable evidence and proof that the King James Bible is the only Bible to have. All I see is manipulation and deception and some amazing leaps and jumps through countless hoops.
 

Dino246

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Is there something wrong with worshipping the Word of God?
Here you has committed the fallacy of equivocation. The person you quoted was clearly talking about the Bible. You shifted the meaning to allow yourself an escape hatch. That is misleading argumentation and is unethical as well as illogical.
 
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Why do Christians argue about Bible versions? I don't understand why they do that. Maybe I just don't get into things enough to have an opinion about what version is best, but I don't understand why Christians argue about scripture either. It's either in the Bible or it's not.

I've got a KJV Bible, but that's what was gifted to me. It's what I read when I got saved. It's good enough for me. Aren't a lot of the other versions copyrighted or something which is why they are so different? AFAIK to copyright a derivative work you have to change a minimum of 10% of the original to not infringe on the original.
 

John146

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Then you believe the NIV is the pure words of God without error for the English language?

Every word in my NIV Bible is true. You still have not come up with any undeniable evidence and proof that the King James Bible is the only Bible to have. All I see is manipulation and deception and some amazing leaps and jumps through countless hoops.
 

Dino246

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When you got saved, did you put your trust in Jesus or the Scripture that told you about Jesus? You're trusting that Scripture is correct about the Savior. The Lord Jesus Christ cannot separated Himself from Scripture.
You are also committing the fallacy of equivocation. You use the term, "Scripture" but you do not mean what others mean. You mean 'The King James Bible'. This behaviour is unethical. Say exactly what you mean and stop using cultic tactics.
 

Agricola

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Context is relative to the reader. You see the context as Nebuchadnezzar was a pagan therefor he said a son of the gods, you don't consider it even possible that God could have put any words in Nebuchanezzars mouth that he wanted. The point is, no one but God knows what came out of Nebuchadnezzar's mouth. Only God can translate Elahh from the original language to English because only God knows.
IF that is the case, then the NIV quote is just as valid as the KJV as no one knows what came out of Nebuchadnezzar's mouth.

It is more likely he said Son of the gods, as he was a Pagan, or are you saying he was really a closet Jew? Point is he recognised that another figure inside the furnace was a spiritual being with divine powers, which could easily just be an angel.

Are you implying that if someone reads the NIV verse they will end up thinking "Oh Jesus was son of the gods" ? I think if anyone came to that conclusion they must have lowest IQ on the planet, especailly if they have read the New Testament first.
 

Dino246

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Here you has committed the fallacy of equivocation. The person you quoted was clearly talking about the Bible. You shifted the meaning to allow yourself an escape hatch. That is misleading argumentation and is unethical as well as illogical.
*have* committed...
 

Agricola

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Then you believe the NIV is the pure words of God without error for the English language?
Yes it is the WOrd of God, no bible translation is perfect, only the original writings how the original authors in the original language is perfect. It is the message that counts.

As I keep on asking, where is the proof that the King James is this so called unicorn of a perfect Bible.
 

John146

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If it ain't perfect, then it ain't the word of God. God's word is perfect and without error. Are you saying that what you have in the NIV is not perfect, but it's the word of God?

Yes it is the WOrd of God, no bible translation is perfect, only the original writings how the original authors in the original language is perfect. It is the message that counts.

As I keep on asking, where is the proof that the King James is this so called unicorn of a perfect Bible.
 

Agricola

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If it ain't perfect, then it ain't the word of God. God's word is perfect and without error. Are you saying that what you have in the NIV is not perfect, but it's the word of God?
Prove to me the King James is perfect. I have been waiting years and years for proof of this. Where is this thought process that every word has to be perfect? Only the original wirtten by the author is perfect. Any other translation is just that, a translation.
 

John146

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What we DO know from Scripture is that God has promised to preserve His words. He says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but His words shall not pass away. He also says The Scripture cannot be broken. The Bible also tells us that God is a God of truth and He cannot lie. If I find lies in a "bible" version, then I know this is not the true words of God. This would be things like teaching that the children of Israel DECEIVED God as the NASB, NET versions have it in Psalm 78:36. Or that Jesus Christ had "origins" as the NIV, RSV, ESV 2001 edition have it in Micah 5:2. Or that teach that Jesus lied in John 7:8-10 as the NASB, ESV and NIV 2011 teach.

Yet God tells us to search out and read "the book of the LORD" (Isaiah 34:16), so such a book must exist somewhere. It is NOT in the varied Hebrew texts; that is only part of a bible. It certainly is not in the thousands of variant readings in piles of manuscript scraps in Greek that few can read and that do not make up a Bible either.

Either God has acted in history to bring us "the book of the LORD" or He lied and is not to be trusted.


Prove to me the King James is perfect. I have been waiting years and years for proof of this. Where is this thought process that every word has to be perfect? Only the original wirtten by the author is perfect. Any other translation is just that, a translation.
 

Agricola

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The other alternative is you are deluded and manipulating verses to promote your cults worship of the King James Bible. That does not tell me the King James is perfect.

You tried to convince me the error in NIV with son of gods, but all I see is contradictions of what you say in each post, seems you can not even stick to same story. When the surface is scratched away with your claims, the real flaws come out.