Why the king james?

PeacefulWarrior · Mar 30, 2016

What does justified mean?

adjective: justified

1. having, done for, or marked by a good or legitimate reason.
"the doctors were justified in treating her"
2.
THEOLOGY
declared or made righteous in the sight of God.
3.
PRINTING
having been adjusted so that the print fills a space evenly or forms a straight line at one or both margins.
"the text is left-justified"

Definition #1 & 2 are best for our context here (since we're not talking about print margins).

What does righteous mean?

adjective: righteous

1.
(of a person or conduct) morally right or justifiable; virtuous.
"he is a good, righteous man, I am sure"
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Righteousness and justification are practically synonyms in this context.

No offense intended... but your problem is not with doctrine but with understanding definitions of words in the English language. I suggest a dictionary to go along with whatever Bible version you are reading.

KJV1611 · Mar 30, 2016

I hate to leave but I to go fix my tractor and cut the grass.

John146 · Mar 30, 2016

Amen! I never would consider to call a brother in Christ an enemy. I'm just passionate about what I believe. Here are some good questions to ask:

#1 How many people am I leading to Hell because I believe the KJV is the true word of God?

#2 How many young Christians will grow up with a stunted knowledge of the Bible, if I teach them to read it with the believe it is infallible and the very words of God?

#3 What is wrong with holding up the KJV and telling Bible-believing Christians, "You can trust every word"?

#4 How much of my reward will I lose for trusting God to keep his "WORDS" to every generation?

#5 If I am not allowed to believe the AV1611 is infallible, then which version should hold that distinction?

PeacefulWarrior said:

PeacefulWarrior · Mar 30, 2016

KJV1611 said:

It'll just grow back.

PeacefulWarrior · Mar 30, 2016

KJV1611 said:

Let me google that for you

John146 · Mar 30, 2016

Who killed Goliath? 2 Samuel 21:19 Is there a difference in the versions?

KJV "And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam."

ESV "And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam."

NASB "There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam."

I thought David killed Goliath...

eternally-gratefull · Mar 30, 2016

John146 said:

You can't send anyone to hell. Bt the division people like you on this topic call cause many to not want a thing to do with God. So in context. Maybe many will end up in hell, and use your division causing tactics as the reason they rejected God.

A christian can grow up with a stunted knowledge no matter what bible they use. Many younger christians can not speak old english, so would be lost trying to read a KJV.

A christian can also grow mature in the word and in God no matter what version they use. So this point is basically useless.

Actually, no I can't. Because the english language is flawed. thus any word for word version would be flawed right with it.

But I can know I have a place to go if I have questions, or people to turn to. Thats why God gave us leaders by the way..

You will lose alot if you keep causing division and hate based on this topic. which is nonsensical.

You will get no reward for worshiping the king jimmy

You would be best not to trust any 100%, But to trust that all of them can lead you to christ, and lead you to maturity.

John146 · Mar 30, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

We have a winner...If there's not a Bible I can trust, then let's not call it the word of God. The word of God, I can trust 100%.

No final authority to appeal to = man is the final authority, see the RCC.

Btw, multiple Bibles cause divisions. There would be no version issue if we only had one Bible to trust.

Grace777x70 · Mar 30, 2016

Both versions used the same Hebrew texts .as outlined by Adam Clarke..the text itself was transcribed from 1 Chronicles 20:5

Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim—slew—Goliath the Gittite—Here is a most manifest corruption of the text, or gross mistake of the transcriber; David, not Elhanan, slew Goliath.

In 1 Chronicles 20:5, the parallel place, it stands thus: "Elhanan, the son of Jair, slew Lahmi, the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear-staff was like a weaver's beam."

This is plain; and our translators have borrowed some words from Chronicles to make both texts agree. The corruption may be easily accounted for by considering that [FONT="Ezra Sil" !important]‏ארגים‎[/FONT] [FONT="Gentium" !important]oregim[/FONT], which signifies weavers, has slipped out of one line into the other; and that [FONT="Ezra Sil" !important]‏בית הלחמי‎[/FONT] [FONT="Gentium" !important]beith hallachmi[/FONT], the Beth-lehemite, is corrupted from [FONT="Ezra Sil" !important]‏את לחמי‎[/FONT] [FONT="Gentium" !important]eth Lachmi[/FONT]; then the reading will be the same as in Chronicles. Dr. Kennicott has made this appear very plain in his First Dissertation on the Hebrew Text, p. 78, etc.

Adam Clarke's Commentary.

PeacefulWarrior · Mar 30, 2016

John146 said:

You seem to not realize that the Word of God is Jesus Christ.

PeacefulWarrior · Mar 30, 2016

John146 said:

2 Samuel 21:19 Is there a difference in the versions?

KJV "And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam."

ESV "And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam."

NASB "There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam."

I thought David killed Goliath...

Did President Obama kill Osama Bin Laden?

eternally-gratefull · Mar 30, 2016

John146 said:

Yep.

Keep causing division. You think God is going to bless you for this.

It has been proven to you the english language word for word bible is not completely accurate, It can;t be.

But you go on believing what you want, and ignore all the FACTS..

trofimus · Mar 30, 2016

KJV1611 said:

I think you missed my point.
My point was, that Jesus was quoting Scripture (not paraphrasing it), so His version of Hosea 6:6 differs from your KJV version.
There is no need to elaborate some possible explanations, how both version could be true. He quoted Old Testament and it differs from what you have in your "perfect and inspired" Old Testament.

The same with other verses.

Difference between "created" and "made" is that created is something from nothing, made is something from something (for example man from dust).
But it again is not my point, my point is the difference between what Jesus quotes as a Scripture and what you have in your Bible.

And to your question what is biblical Greek good for - exactly for this. For the control if your translation is good or bad.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 30, 2016

I am still waiting to be shown how an aorist or perfect tense verb can be properly translated in a word for word bible in english, Since English does not have equivalent words or grammar laws to translate them with.

Grace777x70 · Mar 30, 2016

PeacefulWarrior said:

Amen..to say that one version is the "only" word of God as like all the others it is a translation from the Greek and Hebrew texts is spiritual ignorance gone completely to seed..IMO

One even says that all other people born-again from reading a verse from other versions do not have the same Christ as "they" do that were born-again from reading a verse from KJV...guys this stuff is so messed up and completely foolish and in fact not true and grossly deceptive and divisive.

We should be listening to Prodigal in post #1180 and be avoiding these people..

Quote:

Romans 16:17-18King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

King James Version (KJV)

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trofimus · Mar 30, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

Even more simple examples - Greek has 6 words for love. English one? Or maybe two, if we will count "like" too. So whenever somebody translates the Greek term that is not in English for love, he must choose some "wrong" one, because he does not have the equivalent.

The same with "hell", Greek has at least 4 words for it, with absolutely different meanings. For example "tartaros" is quite impossible to translate correctly, without some additional explanation.

PeacefulWarrior · Mar 30, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Amen..to say that one version is the "only" word of God as like all the others it is a translation from the Greek and Hebrew texts is spiritual ignorance gone completely to seed..IMO

One even says that all other people born-again from reading a verse from other versions do not have the same Christ as "they" do that were born-again from reading a verse from KJV...guys this stuff is so messed up and completely foolish and in fact not true and grossly deceptive and divisive.

We should be listening to Prodigal in post #1180 and be avoiding these people..

Quote:

Romans 16:17-18King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

King James Version (KJV)

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I agree. They're sneaky though -- sometimes act as if they're sincerely searching and other times seem completely bent on holding on to their mistaken belief.

PeacefulWarrior · Mar 30, 2016

trofimus said:

Yeah! This is why people say stuff like, "I AGAPE you." (not 'mouth wide-open, but Christian love)

Grace777x70 · Mar 30, 2016

PeacefulWarrior said:

In these kinds of cases - it would not make any difference what the truth is..they will not believe anything different ..the King James "version" to them is the only word of God despite all what was shown to them that shows the contrary...

This is a complete waste of time.

All translations have some errors and bias..and the Greek is so easily available now for the serious student of the word of God. The Lord has made so many Greek helps available to anyone that can read today on the internet....

The Holy Spirit is the only one that can interpret the scriptures anyway - not any men.

John146 · Mar 30, 2016

My point exactly. The different versions promote different doctrines. That's been proven on here time and time again. So what do you do? Which versions do you avoid because they teach a different doctrine?

Grace777x70 said:

Why the king james?

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