Why the king james?

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PeacefulWarrior

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In these kinds of cases - it would not make any difference what the truth is..they will not believe anything different ..the King James "version" to them is the only word of God despite all what was shown to them that shows the contrary...

This is a complete waste of time.

All translations have some errors and bias..and the Greek is so easily available now for the serious student of the word of God. The Lord has made so many Greek helps available to anyone that can read today on the internet....

The Holy Spirit is the only one that can interpret the scriptures anyway - not any men.
I'd like to highlight some key words here:

...serious student of the word of God
 
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My point exactly. The different versions promote different doctrines. That's been proven on here time and time again. So what do you do? Which versions do you avoid because they teach a different doctrine?

One can take one version that they like and the KJV works for this too like the ESV and NASB...etc..but then you go to the original Greek to help get a fuller understanding and verify what is said. The Holy Spirit will guide us when to go check out the word or the Greek structure too. It is a blessing from our Lord to have at our finger tips access to the nuances of Greek and Hebrew. A study of the perfect tense meaning will revolutionize the scriptures for us.

BUT to insist that the KJV is the "only" word of God is just plain spiritual ignorance gone completely to seed and is divisive.
 
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John146

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You do realize this makes man the final authority. You can claim "Holy Spirit" but ultimately man decides which definition of the Greek word to go with. Besides, which Greek manuscripts? The Alexandrian or the Testus Receptus? Either way, they are not the originals. You are still trusting in God's promise to preserve His pure words for all generations.


One can take one version that they like and the KJV works for this too like the ESV and NASB...etc..but then you go to the original Greek to help get a fuller understanding and verify what is said. The Holy Spirit will guide us when to go check out the word or the Greek structure too. It is a blessing from our Lord to have at our finger tips access to the nuances of Greek and Hebrew. A study of the perfect tense meaning will revolutionize the scriptures for us.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Are there any seminaries or bible schools who/which teach "KJV-only" ?
 
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You do realize this makes man the final authority. You can claim "Holy Spirit" but ultimately man decides which definition of the Greek word to go with.
The Holy Spirit is the final authority and not man....that's the great part in all this......to rest completely on the translators of the KJV is to make "them - men" the final authority and not the scriptures from where the translation came from originally.

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will teach you all things....I believe Him. I trust Him!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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My point exactly. The different versions promote different doctrines. That's been proven on here time and time again. So what do you do? Which versions do you avoid because they teach a different doctrine?

No, You have not proven any such thing..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You do realize this makes man the final authority. You can claim "Holy Spirit" but ultimately man decides which definition of the Greek word to go with. Besides, which Greek manuscripts? The Alexandrian or the Testus Receptus? Either way, they are not the originals. You are still trusting in God's promise to preserve His pure words for all generations.

Nope again you are wrong.

God will hold us accountable for what we believe, Including having to search a flawed english text to make sure we get what God really wanted to say inspite of the flawed english language.
 

Dino246

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Btw, multiple Bibles cause divisions. There would be no version issue if we only had one Bible to trust.
So we'd better go with the Geneva Bible, because your vaunted KJV came later and caused divisions.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So we'd better go with the Geneva Bible, because your vaunted KJV came later and caused divisions.
I know people who use the KJV bible who are divided on topics and doctrines using the same bible.

Guess that throws that theory (that different versions cause divisions) out the door.
 

trofimus

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Amen! I never would consider to call a brother in Christ an enemy. I'm just passionate about what I believe. Here are some good questions to ask:

#1 How many people am I leading to Hell because I believe the KJV is the true word of God?

#2 How many young Christians will grow up with a stunted knowledge of the Bible, if I teach them to read it with the believe it is infallible and the very words of God?

#3 What is wrong with holding up the KJV and telling Bible-believing Christians, "You can trust every word"?

#4 How much of my reward will I lose for trusting God to keep his "WORDS" to every generation?

#5 If I am not allowed to believe the AV1611 is infallible, then which version should hold that distinction?
#1 I hope none.
#2 Well, you are not telling the truth to them. KJV is not infallible.
#3 The fact, that they cant trust every word, you are lying to them.
#4 I hope none, you only misunderstood the point.
#5 No version, because it is, as you said correctly, only a version.
 
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John146

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Probably not these days. Most students coming out of seminary do not believe we have access to the pure words of God. They are Greek geeks. Most seminaries are a joke today.

Are there any seminaries or bible schools who/which teach "KJV-only" ?
 

John146

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The Holy Spirit needs to right words in order to teach you doctrine from them.

The Holy Spirit is the final authority and not man....that's the great part in all this......to rest completely on the translators of the KJV is to make "them - men" the final authority and not the scriptures from where the translation came from originally.

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will teach you all things....I believe Him. I trust Him!
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Probably not these days. Most students coming out of seminary do not believe we have access to the pure words of God. They are Greek geeks. Most seminaries are a joke today.
Well, Sir, This is the point in time where you and I part ways. You don't know what you are talking about and speak as if you do.

Are you reaching the lost, or fortifying your position?

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Good day Sir. May you find Peace.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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He's had how many DECADES to learn, what's three minutes going to do?
Good point, Willie.

I just don't understand his point.

Why defend a position, if you're not willing to research the facts?

I suppose people who thought the Earth was flat refused to let go of that idea even after it was proven to be wrong.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The Holy Spirit needs to right words in order to teach you doctrine from them.
What the HS does not know greek or hebrew?

This makes no sense.. Now your saying God is limited..
 
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What the HS does not know greek or hebrew?

This makes no sense.. Now your saying God is limited..
Yes..now the Holy Spirit needs the King James "version" before He can teach anybody anything.....what did He do without the KJV for 1600 years?...what did He do with all the other non-English speaking people throughout history without the KJV to use?.

...this just gets weirder and weirder...I have to get out of this crazy house...LOL
 
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Sure it does Willie, the KJV will lead a person to God's absolute truth every time if we read it and believe it. Abraham's faith was justified as being legitimate saving faith and not head knowledge when he offered up Isaac.
Sadly, you are so mistaken. All sorts of people in those days did just what Abe did, they offered up their children as sacrifices to a variety of gods. It was a common practice, and surely something quite familiar and well-known to Abe. That kind of an act on his part proved nothing. Everyone else was doing the same thing all across the land. (Why do you think we have no record of him saying, "You want me to do WHAT !?!?!?")

What we are told was Abe's distinction, and what proved to be "righteousness" for him is that "he believed this particular God."

It wasn't the performance of a common and accepted "action" (ritual), it was his relational understanding of who this particular God was that made all the difference.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Sadly, you are so mistaken. All sorts of people in those days did just what Abe did, they offered up their children as sacrifices to a variety of gods. It was a common practice, and surely something quite familiar and well-known to Abe. That kind of an act on his part proved nothing. Everyone else was doing the same thing all across the land. (Why do you think we have no record of him saying, "You want me to do WHAT !?!?!?")

What we are told was Abe's distinction, and what proved to be "righteousness" for him is that "he believed this particular God."

It wasn't the performance of a common and accepted "action" (ritual), it was his relational understanding of who this particular God was that made all the difference.
Amen.

This is Abraham's thoughts during the whole thing.


[SUP]17 [/SUP]By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, [SUP]18 [/SUP]of whom it was said, “In Isaac your seed shall be called,”[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]19 [/SUP]concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense.

Thats true faith, vs belief,,