Why War in Heaven?

[JesusLives]

Unlike us. Angels were created as Servants. They all have job to do. Lucifer didnt want to be a servant but a King a God. God knew that. Lucifer had a choice-- talk to God about it or rebel. So he chose to rebel.

Your comment is interesting to me in that it made me think of Jesus who even though deserves our worship and praise came to earth to be a servant and to serve unlike Lucifer who wanted to raise himself to God's position and higher....What a contrast between Creator and created being.....Make a Blond think and ponder and I like that.

 

[Flamingspirit]

I believe to first answer that question, we must ask and identify what "heaven" is in this vision.

 

[JesusLives]

Satan isn't in hell. Hell is a place of punishment. Satan is not in charge of hell. Satan does not punish people in hell. 'The devil roams around (the earth) like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour'. The whole idea of satan being in hell tormenting people is a secular take based off misunderstanding. Common in old cartoons. Along with him being all red and carrying a pitchfork.
The devil is able to approach God, but this doesn't mean he resides in heaven.

I agree that hell is on earth because the devil is here tempting and trying plus using us humans everyday as his play toys. All you have to do is read the paper or watch the news to see the latest torture going on among us humans as to what the devil is doing to and through us toward each other....Sad state of affairs.....This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the earth and then the end shall come. We need to do our jobs to get out of this hell on earth.....so Jesus can come and put an end to all this mess.

 

[JesusLives]

My Comments:

The Lord is only going to intervene once .... to do many things

The first will be the calling of His true Ecclesia .... time of which no one can know the dating

Then He will proceed with His hour [time] of trial upon an unbelieving world which will last for an exact 2550 days

..... and then He will appear upon the earth for all to see Him

And all will know the exact dating from the beginning of the tribulation [Revelation 6:12-17] there will be 2550 days to count by the earth dwellers of the period

His "harpazo" action to immortalize His true Ecclesia is a time that no one can predict .... suddenly and with no warning

The earth dwellers of the tribulation will be able to anticipate and know the date of His appearing

Contradiction here?

There are no contradictions in scripture

The answer: two separate events separated by 2550 days

Neither the same

Where is this found in the Bible? I don't remember ever reading it....?
Revelation 6
[SUP]12[/SUP] And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
[SUP]13[/SUP] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
[SUP]14[/SUP] And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
[SUP]15[/SUP] And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
[SUP]16[/SUP] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
[SUP]17[/SUP] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

How does this have anything to do with what you have written?

 

[kennethcadwell]

There is truth that there are two "fallen angel" events. The first being pre-Flood in Genesis 6 which had to have happened after the Garden of Eden due to the fact it is written this happened when daughters were born unto men. The second being the prophesied event in Revelation which this topic is about.

As for Satan falling the first time, this is not in the Bible. Genesis 3 is the first time that Satan is mentioned, and very bluntly is stated he is a subtil beast of the field which the Lord God created, which means he is an animal.

As for the reference to King of Tyre, this is not a reference to Satan. The prophecy is very clear that it is about an ancient king of Tyre whom was at one time a good man until iniquity was found in him. Therefore the Lord destroyed him and his famous ancient city. Behold, this prophecy all ready came to pass and the city of Tyre is a ruin and waste unto this day. One will also note Ezekiel does not use the term lucifer in this prophecy.

Additional support for the fact the dragon is not the same as any of the people referred to as lucifer is found in Revelation 12. When describing the War in Heaven the dragon's titles are all on full display and those titles are Satan, Devil, and deceiver of the whole world. Clearly the Bible never uses the title Lucifer to refer to the dragon. Lucifer mean light-bringer, dawn-bringer, morning star, etc. and we know there is no light in the dragon that is called the Enemy and the Liar.

I said that about the king of Tyre, but what most main stream biblical scholars have said for years is that the fall of Tyre is compared to the fall of lucifer. It says he was a guardian cherub in the garden, lucifer could not have been the king of Tyre for he was a man not an angel. This prophecy compares the fall of the king to another great fall, and that was lucifer fall from heaven do to his pride.

You say satan falling the first time is not in the bible. Well Jesus refers to that event, he says when I saw satan fall. He was talking about an event that already took place. Now there is a second cast away, and this is shown by the scriptures saying satan rose to make war with Michael and he drew a third of the angels with him. Satan would not have to rise to make war if he was still there. Every since he was cast out the first time, he made a vow to rise and take over heaven. Which we know he will not.

Another word used for Lucifer was pride. Lucifer which means morning star or light bearer is do to his state before his fall. After he fell from heaven the light was taken from him. Just like the falling angels who left heaven do to lust, or following satan were known as giants and/or demons. No light was left in them either.

However remember this scripture;

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

 

[Bride]

The only war in heaven the Bible talks about is the war for each and every one of our souls.

It is just a matter of Arming yourself with the Armor of Light and His Spirit will conquer all the battles of temptation to sin, which is the ONLY enemy.

I'm not really into the superstitious stuff and the doctrines of devils. Only the Spiritual Holiness reigning in my body of Christ Jesus my Husband

Praise Jesus forever!

 

[Tintin]

There are three enemies in a Christian's life - our own flesh, the world and satan and his kind. Believing that we're at war with the spiritual powers of darkness isn't superstition, it's a biblical reality. Fix your eyes on Christ, yes, but also know thy Enemy.