Why Were the Jewish Feasts, Gods Feasts, Removed from Christianity.

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Clearly, there is something I am missing in those first two posts.
However, you have stated your position pretty unambiguously in these last two posts.

We are definitely on the same page as per your last two posts addressed to me.
As I promised I offer my unreserved apology for misunderstanding!
Thank you for your response, but likely I had not expressed myself clearly that lead to misunderstanding. It is hard to explain a spiritual concept without having a physical Basis to work from and people can easily mistake these as still relevant when in fact they now take a 'backseat.
In the OT the physical was 'out front - NOW it is the spiritual. I see it as walking on 2 legs, first one forward then the other....both important....otherwise it would be 'hopping on one leg or the other and THAT is NOT recommended walking for people of God !
 

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and I'll ask YOU

Who told you to judge according to holy days and sabbaths and feasts and festivals?

colossians 2

in fact, who told you that you could judge HIS SERVANT?

before their own MASTER they will stand or fall
and if one is doing all things for HIS HOMOR they do not sin

yet any who puts a stumbling block before their weaker brother will give an account for that
OK----you obviously have no need of further discussion. Your choice ! I am not here to argue !
 

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OK----you obviously have no need of further discussion. Your choice ! I am not here to argue !
Arguing?
Only wen someone doesn't speak according to THE TRUTH of GOD's WORD and suggests their own "truths"
 

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A question to ponder.....Who benefits?
Apologies if this has been addressed already...

The title question itself demonstrates the root of the problem. The "Jewish" feasts were never part of Christianity, so they weren't "removed" from Christianity. This flaw of reasoning shows up often in discussions of Old Testament practices and how they should or should not be practiced in Christian faith. It's worthwhile considering the validity of a question before attempting to answer it... or asking it. :)
 
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As a jew I feel qualified to answer this and here goes:

When gentiles who are in the hebrew roots movement claim to be keeping the jewish feasts sabbaths and holy days, very rarely do they know what is involved in 'keeping' these. Its not merely not working on a specific day, a lot of the feasts include animal sacrifices and other type of sacrifices.
Now we all know these hebrew roots guys do not do those things, why is that? Because they realize Jesus was the one and only sacrifice so they know animal sacrifices are no longer required, so what they are actually doing is they are ~25% keeping the feasts and holy days and sabbaths.
And thats not how it works, you go 100% or 0%.

Yet another thing this movement overlooks is that the majority of christians today and in the early church were gentiles which means that to require someone to keep jewish feasts etc is a major burden upon them because they dont know how to observe them. Not to mention, many of them are uncircumcised which means they are automatically 'cut off' from the covenant they claim to still be under.

All this to say that if you love the jewish feasts and sabbaths, half-way keep em all you like, I personally still 'keep' the sabbath out of habit, but dont go around asking or demanding others to keep them, certainly dont go as far as the SDA and claim sunday worship is the mark of the beast, thats pure hogwash.

Colossians 2:16 comes to mind as well, and lets not forget Jesus said if ye love me keep MY commandments and He never told anyone to keep the sabbath or holy days. Neither was it asked of Noah or anyone preceding the Mosaic law.
I certainly agree that these groups are off base...Legalistic, judgmental, and not at all spirit led.
 
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It seems to me more people are following Paul than Christ.
Follow Christ or follow Paul WHATEVER! Paul followed Christ..If you follow Paul you are following Christ like walking single file...What's with all the arguments?
 
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Our inheritance is in THE LORD
If you come to the table in an unworthy manner not recognizing and remembering HIS BODY and what HE alone has done to enable us to come before HIM, that is what we will be guilty of
That's right...That's what I said
 
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A question to ponder.....Who benefits?
His bride the church and Christ her husband benefit.

I think its about timing the time of reformation the beginning of the last days.

Those shadows in regard the ceremonial meats/foods fulfilled there purpose in that parable found in Hebrews 9

It was kind the meat or food that the disciples knew not of…… the food (you could say spiritual food) of doing the will of another who does work in s to both will and do His god pleasure (imputed righteousness)The shadows were used as a parable in those shadows for preaching the gospel of Christ in respect the suffering of Christ beforehand the glory that followed (the graves were opened… the first resurrection) And as a parable we compare the things seen, the temporal, with the things not seen, the eternal The gospel is hid from those who not mix faith(the unseen eternal) in what they hear or see when we do look for the spiritual understanding

In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat.But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of. Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.Joh 4:35 I would offer as the milk of the word teaches us God is gracious The meat of the word give us the strength to move us to do the will of God.


The cerimonial laws preached the gospel in adavnce the same gospel we look back to

1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

The time of reformation had come .The veil which represent the flesh of Christ was rent showing us all the work of preparing a place for the saints had come Those shadows were no longer needed . Because of the reformation the kind of government using those shadows had come to an end and a new restored government came in its place.


The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure(parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until "the time of reformation". Heb 9:8
 
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Follow Christ or follow Paul WHATEVER! Paul followed Christ..If you follow Paul you are following Christ like walking single file...What's with all the arguments?
You are then saying that Paul is perfect. I know that none of us is perfect.
 
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You are then saying that Paul is perfect. I know that none of us is perfect.

YOU are saying that I'm saying Paul is perfect
....I said if Paul is following Jesus then We can follow Paul....That way all walk the same path. Jesus walks here, Paul walks in His footsteps We walk in Pauls footsteps...How many tracks do you see? ONE!!
 

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Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The feasts were representative of following Christ in the O.T.

Hebrews 5:1

For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

O.T. priests, men.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

We needed God to save us from the curse of the law.

Hebrews 8:2
A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

God took over our priesthood Himself.

Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

The O.T. ordinances are a shadow of the things we have now. They weren't allowed to approach God, they had to talk to a priest, and you had to do ordinances, and the priest had to sacrifice animals, and sprinkle blood and apologize for you.
 
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YOU are saying that I'm saying Paul is perfect
....I said if Paul is following Jesus then We can follow Paul....That way all walk the same path. Jesus walks here, Paul walks in His footsteps We walk in Pauls footsteps...How many tracks do you see? ONE!!
If you were to be honest you would see that christians neither walk in Jesus' nor in Paul's footsteps all the time....come the sabbath christians go their own way...so there is a 'parting of the ways.
This is not an accusation but a plain fact.
 
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If you were to be honest you would see that christians neither walk in Jesus' nor in Paul's footsteps all the time....come the sabbath christians go their own way...so there is a 'parting of the ways.
This is not an accusation but a plain fact.
True but whats your point?
 

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True but whats your point?
Am I supposed to remind you what we are talking about just from one post to another ? see #134

where is this ONE track we are all on ? how many christian denoms are there all believing different ?
 
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Am I supposed to remind you what we are talking about just from one post to another ? see #134

where is this ONE track we are all on ? how many christian denoms are there all believing different ?
I didn't forget that....Its nothing new at all, so....What's your point?
 

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I didn't forget that....Its nothing new at all, so....What's your point?
OK, so what can be done about it ? you think it's alright for christians to ignore God's Holy day while claiming they are following Jesus ? Isn't it up to man to 'line up with Jesus...and WHY don't we ? God has no relationship with anyone belonging OUTside of Israel.
 
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OK, so what can be done about it ? you think it's alright for christians to ignore God's Holy day while claiming they are following Jesus ? Isn't it up to man to 'line up with Jesus...and WHY don't we ? God has no relationship with anyone belonging OUTside of Israel.
Which Israel might that be seeing all Israel is not Israel just as in the same way all Jews are not born again Jews. A inward Jew in respect to the Spirit of Christ is fitting to the new name God named His people(Chrsitian) .Its never about the flesh that cannot profit.
 

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The Maker of us all knows us all as Jews and Israel. This will never be changed. Show where it says we are not fellow heirs and joined to that commonwealth called Israel.......the Israel with the New Jerusalem.