Will faith-healers step out in faith and heal Corona virus victims? I doubt it.

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UnitedWithChrist

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Oh, I agree that healings still take place. My point was that in the James passage, the language, at least to me, guarantees their healing.
Maybe.

Either way, I strongly resist the idea that if someone isn't healed, it's due to their own sins that caused it.

This is something I think many Word of Faith people claim.

In fact, I was like a Word of Faith person as a cultist and I'm pretty sure I would have been exposed to that sort of teaching, although I never was presumptuous to claim it.
 

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So, your remark is this: Jesus was told to go heal Lazarus.

Where do you see that in the narrative?

I don't see it anywhere in the narrative.

Now, I don't think Jesus operated independent of YHVH, but it doesn't say that in the text. Where does it say that Jesus was told by someone else that he was only to heal Lazarus.

By the way, I don't understand why you are attacking me on this matter. I simply discussed with Sackclothes and Ashes that I still believe God heals according to his sovereign will. I don't believe that the aforementioned men (and many more of the Health Wealth Prosperity gospel or charismatic/Pentecostal ilk) are used by God to do healings. However, I do acknowledge that God heals on occasion, according to his sovereign will.

But, keep right on attacking. Your words don't even make sense to me most of the time. You are incoherent. You can blame it on heightened spirituality, but the reality is that you are incoherent. I can understand the words of other charismatics/Pentecostals even though I don't agree with them, so the issue is not a lack of spirituality but it is a lack of coherency. I generally place such people on ignore eventually because it's easy to see they have a burr under their saddle and it's not productive to discuss anything with them.

However, I notice you haven't answered my question about tongues. I will consider it a given that tongues are the same thing as you claim they are, for the sake of this conversation. Does your fellowship practice them in a biblical manner? In other words, does only one person speak in tongues, while one or more interprets, or do they all blabber in tongues at the same time?

You see, that would be an issue. That basically shows that Pentecostals/charismatics don't care much about obedience to God if they are failing to show respect for Paul's commands in this regard. And, from what I've heard, this is the NORM. A bunch of people are blabbering in tongues, all at the same time, instead of one speaker, followed by one or more interpreters.

And, if they aren't obedient to Scripture, knowing the Bible teaches this, then why should we listen to them on any matter regarding tongues? That's how it plays out with me.
Yeah it is quite plain they wanted him to purchase flowers and a get well card.
Jn 11
3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.

4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

..21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

I see it like you. It is bizarre to think they wanted Jesus to heal him.
They probably were mocking him knowing he could not heal him
 

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One of the reasons the religious leaders did not recognize Jesus was they had no clue of the things of the spirit.
They were mental,legal robots closed off to the spirit.
The other was they processed Jesus through powerless prisms.
They attacked him in the realm of his power.

Ironically it was his power that authenticated him and his church.

"These signs SHALL FOLLOW THEM THAT BELIEVE...."

Thank you Jesus that there is no virus or disease you can not heal.
Thank you for giving us power to defeat Corona devils with ease.
Mental anti power believers- "oh no corona demon is too powerful. Medicine can't stop it".
Cue mocking spirit
"Why don't those charismatic sleazeballs step up and heal every one of them?"

Because we don't heal and never did.
The lightening comes from the throne.
We know how to grab it and use it to decapitate the demon hoards that are eating your ever loving lunch while you trash Jesus's body.
I will note that Mark 16:9-20 is not considered canonical by most conservative Bible scholars, and that is where you got the verses from.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Mark-16-9-20.html

Additionally, your rhetoric is just ordinary, Pentecostal/charismatic nonsense.

I would just as soon go to a witch doctor as a charismatic/Pentecostal service.

I wouldn't do either, but it's basically on the same level.

By the way, I asked a charismatic friend of mine for a good example of a faith healer. He is a reasonably intelligent guy. He recommended me to this guy, Bob Larson.

He charges 295 to exorcise demons from people on Skype.

Is that the best you guys can do?

LOL

He submits potential demoniacs to a long questionairre to ascertain whether they have a demon. Then he proceeds to have people hold them down and presses the Bible against their forehead, and commands the demon (s) to come out.

Now, where in the world did you find Jesus submitting potential demoniacs to a questionairre?

Are we really to take guys like this as credible?

https://www.youtube.com/user/boblarsonexorcism/videos

And, here's an actual exorcism through Skype:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/my-dollar295-skype-exorcism

By the way, apparently it was cut short because Bob only talks a certain amount of time for $295.
 

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Maybe.

Either way, I strongly resist the idea that if someone isn't healed, it's due to their own sins that caused it.

This is something I think many Word of Faith people claim.

In fact, I was like a Word of Faith person as a cultist and I'm pretty sure I would have been exposed to that sort of teaching, although I never was presumptuous to claim it.
So mainly you are just against men of power and anointing,and men of faith.
The rest are ok?
What if they are just mental in power and anointing, but passive and resent others stepping out?
 

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Yeah it is quite plain they wanted him to purchase flowers and a get well card.
Jn 11
3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.

4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

..21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

I see it like you. It is bizarre to think they wanted Jesus to heal him.
They probably were mocking him knowing he could not heal him
You are not answering my question.

You are avoiding it.

The Pool of Bethesda incident occurred in John 5.

There is nothing that says anyone sent Jesus to this Pool of Bethesda.

If you are concerned about scriptural accuracy, then you should only stick to what Scripture says.
 

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I will note that Mark 16:9-20 is not considered canonical by most conservative Bible scholars, and that is where you got the verses from.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Mark-16-9-20.html

Additionally, your rhetoric is just ordinary, Pentecostal/charismatic nonsense.

I would just as soon go to a witch doctor as a charismatic/Pentecostal service.

I wouldn't do either, but it's basically on the same level.

By the way, I asked a charismatic friend of mine for a good example of a faith healer. He is a reasonably intelligent guy. He recommended me to this guy, Bob Larson.

He charges 295 to exorcise demons from people on Skype.

Is that the best you guys can do?

LOL

He submits potential demoniacs to a long questionairre to ascertain whether they have a demon. Then he proceeds to have people hold them down and presses the Bible against their forehead, and commands the demon (s) to come out.

Now, where in the world did you find Jesus submitting potential demoniacs to a questionairre?

Are we really to take guys like this as credible?

https://www.youtube.com/user/boblarsonexorcism/videos
You got as goldmine in baptists. Since you find any abuse and attach it to myself,take a look at yarborough baptists.
You could preach all baptists are like them as well.
 

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You are not answering my question.

You are avoiding it.

The Pool of Bethesda incident occurred in John 5.

There is nothing that says anyone sent Jesus to this Pool of Bethesda.

If you are concerned about scriptural accuracy, then you should only stick to what Scripture says.
Lol.
I never said they did.

You get the microscope out for any flyspecks you can find.

Nitpicking sentences and unable to discern parody.

It is easy to see how you misinterpret exactly like the religious of Jesus day.

Will await your silly "I don't see nitpick in the bible" sillyness.
 

UnitedWithChrist

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Lol.
I never said they did.

You get the microscope out for any flyspecks you can find.

Nitpicking sentences and unable to discern parody.

It is easy to see how you misinterpret exactly like the religious of Jesus day.

Will await your silly "I don't see nitpick in the bible" sillyness.
I invite folks to go back through the conversation.

You said Jesus was sent to the pool of Bethesda.

It is not recorded that anyone sent him there.

You claim he was sent only to heal the one person.

That's not recorded either.

Perhaps one can infer that God only sent him to heal one person, but the text doesn't state it.
 

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You are not answering my question.

You are avoiding it.

The Pool of Bethesda incident occurred in John 5.

There is nothing that says anyone sent Jesus to this Pool of Bethesda.

If you are concerned about scriptural accuracy, then you should only stick to what Scripture says.
You totally missed the very heart of what I said.
Totally missed it.

You are either obtuse or really are that disjointed in your understanding.
Your reply is classic.
You can't discern that Jesus left ALL THE OTHERS SICK.

but hey
It is the nature of engaging you.
You are going to twist everything.
 

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I invite folks to go back through the conversation.

You said Jesus was sent to the pool of Bethesda.

It is not recorded that anyone sent him there.

You claim he was sent only to heal the one person.

That's not recorded either.

Perhaps one can infer that God only sent him to heal one person, but the text doesn't state it.
...and yes as far as I remember he was not sent.

Either to heal at Bethesda or to Lazareth.

Amazing how you can't eat your spaghetti because the waiter accidentally said pasta.

But it is the nature of engaging you.
You take shots at the body of christ and then pull your little games out when you get pushback.
Juvenile indeed
 

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""I would just as soon go to a witch doctor as a charismatic/Pentecostal service.

I wouldn't do either, but it's basically on the same level.""

You are one nasty evil individual.
You are not very old are you?
 

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He charges 295 to exorcise demons from people on Skype.

Is that the best you guys can do?""
What evil posses you to lump me in with whatever error you can find.???
You can't stand toe to toe with me biblically so you pull your little juvenile games.

You are sick aren't you?
Your mind is gone or something.
 

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...and yes as far as I remember he was not sent.

Either to heal at Bethesda or to Lazareth.

Amazing how you can't eat your spaghetti because the waiter accidentally said pasta.

But it is the nature of engaging you.
You take shots at the body of christ and then pull your little games out when you get pushback.
Juvenile indeed
Just be honest.

You are angry because I criticize charismatics.

And you are charismatic.

The problem is that if no one ever addresses their issues, unbelievers will think that all Christians agree with their theology.

And I don't. In many cases I think they are simply unbelievers. In other cases they are deceived believers.
 

UnitedWithChrist

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He charges 295 to exorcise demons from people on Skype.

Is that the best you guys can do?""
What evil posses you to lump me in with whatever error you can find.???
You can't stand toe to toe with me biblically so you pull your little juvenile games.

You are sick aren't you?
Your mind is gone or something.
I am no longer talking to you.

Continue along with your charismatic delusions. I don't care.
 

UnitedWithChrist

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By the way, notice that Bob Larson wears the garb of a Roman Catholic priest and carries a huge cross.

He uses gestures that relate to the Roman Catholic church.

Pretty funny stuff since he's a charismatic.

But, let me tell you this, folks..if you criticize a charismatic fake, you can be pretty sure that you're going to get attacked by charismatics in general. And, they won't call their own charismatic claimants fake either, in a large number of cases.

I think this is because if they criticize a charismatic's claims, their own claims will likely be criticized. It's like a mutual affirmation society.

 

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Oh, I agree that healings still take place. My point was that in the James passage, the language, at least to me, guarantees their healing.
Perhaps Paul should have heeded James?

2 Timothy 4:20 (KJV) Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.
1 Timothy 5:23 (KJV) Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
 

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Perhaps Paul should have heeded James?

2 Timothy 4:20 (KJV) Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.
1 Timothy 5:23 (KJV) Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
There is also reasons why not all are saved.
Does not mean that salvation is not for them or available to them.
But rarely do people equate those not saved with a dynamic that salvation has ceased.
 

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Yes, and if you don't get healed, some of the same will accuse you of not having enough faith..
No, the greater faith says ''Lord Jesus, please heal nevertheless not my will but thine be done.'
Why in the world take faith off the table?????

Fearing some comment that someone says "you do not have faith" is bizarre.
I have been in ministry for many many years. I HAVE NEVER seen the "you would have been healed if you had more faith" invoked EVER.
That assumption needs to die.

You ALWAYS want faith on your side.
What we see with Jesus was about half the time it was THEIR faith and the other half it was Jesus faith.

There are some 70+ verses in the nt on healing. Faith rises as we ingest the word. Words of faith. Words of healing.
But what do folks do?
They got 3 or 4 quotes from paul that they actually use to CANCEL FAITH for healing.
 

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fill your sails with the word of God. If you need healing LAY HOLD OF IT!!!!!!

 

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Make the infirmity GO.!!!!

Kick it out.!!!!

Don't listen to faithless jibber jabber. Go to Gods word and see for yourself healing BELONGS TO YOU.