Will Some NonChristians (Unbelievers) Get to Heaven?
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Thank you all for your words. I am a believer, but my views are a bit different. I know on this site that is not okay. I get it.
One last question: why is Jesus death always emphasized but NOT his life and his teachings. It seems people quote the Old Testament a lot or they quote Paul but not Jesus ... not anything about what Jesus said. He said so much ... a new way to live. Isn't that the REAL challenge?
I could tonight say to God ... God, i am a sinner, I repent and I want to be born again. Well I have said all those words except the wanting to be born again because I think I already have been. It is not a one time event ... it is an ongoing event.
For me it is about repentance and learning not to sin and wanting not to sin ... but so much more. So my point is that the whole Bible points to Jesus. Jesus is the good news ... but not his death ... his lilfe ... his teachings. Love God with all your heart and love your neighbour (those two things together ... who can do it? almost no one .. but we try and we try. That is what being a Christian is all about.
It is not about judging the fate of other people (saying their religion is wrong) or they are going to Hell. Leave all of that to God. Judge not is better than righteous judgement because, too often, we get it wrong. Only God knows a person's heart.
I was recently told on her that I live in darkness ... I assure you I most certainly do not. I was told my theology is all wrong .. my answer: so what? I do the best that I can do just like we all do. I dont judge you. Please dont judge me or others who are different from you. You do not, contrary to what you think, have all the answers. No one does.
Yes Catholics, Muslims, Jews and many mainline protestant sects such as Lutherans and Episcopalians do believe in universalism based on behaviour. Not a free ticket for all ....
One last question: why is Jesus death always emphasized but NOT his life and his teachings. It seems people quote the Old Testament a lot or they quote Paul but not Jesus ... not anything about what Jesus said. He said so much ... a new way to live. Isn't that the REAL challenge?
I could tonight say to God ... God, i am a sinner, I repent and I want to be born again. Well I have said all those words except the wanting to be born again because I think I already have been. It is not a one time event ... it is an ongoing event.
For me it is about repentance and learning not to sin and wanting not to sin ... but so much more. So my point is that the whole Bible points to Jesus. Jesus is the good news ... but not his death ... his lilfe ... his teachings. Love God with all your heart and love your neighbour (those two things together ... who can do it? almost no one .. but we try and we try. That is what being a Christian is all about.
It is not about judging the fate of other people (saying their religion is wrong) or they are going to Hell. Leave all of that to God. Judge not is better than righteous judgement because, too often, we get it wrong. Only God knows a person's heart.
I was recently told on her that I live in darkness ... I assure you I most certainly do not. I was told my theology is all wrong .. my answer: so what? I do the best that I can do just like we all do. I dont judge you. Please dont judge me or others who are different from you. You do not, contrary to what you think, have all the answers. No one does.
Yes Catholics, Muslims, Jews and many mainline protestant sects such as Lutherans and Episcopalians do believe in universalism based on behaviour. Not a free ticket for all ....
J
i dont think your getting it. the example of Jesus is to TRY and live that example. its not about make one mistake and your doomed to hell forever. if i teach me kids to do something , they try like crazy to do it, make a few mistakes but they are trying, im not going to punish them when they are trying, but yet thats what we are to believe about our heavenly Father who loves us more then we love our own kids??
and if Jesus is not the example, who is?
and if Jesus is not the example, who is?
Grace
Jesus is the only way for all.
He came to save all, the lost sheep or every one.
All have sinned and fallen short of the standard that is needed to save ourselves.
So there is no difference between the one that gets 9/10 and the one that scores 1/10, we've all failed to be good enough.
If Jesus chooses to give His blood for me, that is what makes me safe in Christ, saved by the blood of Jesus.
We can not judge who Jesus will give His blood for. Judgement is not for us to make. I believe there will be people that do not know the name of Jesus and Jesus will still give His blood for them because He knows their hearts.
Jesus is the only way for all.
He came to save all, the lost sheep or every one.
All have sinned and fallen short of the standard that is needed to save ourselves.
So there is no difference between the one that gets 9/10 and the one that scores 1/10, we've all failed to be good enough.
If Jesus chooses to give His blood for me, that is what makes me safe in Christ, saved by the blood of Jesus.
We can not judge who Jesus will give His blood for. Judgement is not for us to make. I believe there will be people that do not know the name of Jesus and Jesus will still give His blood for them because He knows their hearts.
Without Jesus death . . . we are still sinners
Without Jesus resurrection . . . we have no hope
When you confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead (Rom. 10:9,10), you are born again - a one time occurrence. Being born again, we are partakers of the divine nature - that is what enables us to WANT to do what is right. The gospel (good news) is Jesus life, death and resurrection.
You are correct - no one has all the answers. Do we have to know EVERYTHING to be saved? Nope but we do have to know the basics.
Without Jesus resurrection . . . we have no hope
When you confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead (Rom. 10:9,10), you are born again - a one time occurrence. Being born again, we are partakers of the divine nature - that is what enables us to WANT to do what is right. The gospel (good news) is Jesus life, death and resurrection.
You are correct - no one has all the answers. Do we have to know EVERYTHING to be saved? Nope but we do have to know the basics.
E
Is trying to live it going to be good enough? He lived a perfect life because that is what the law required. He could not be the lamb of God who takes the sin of the world if he did not fulfill that demand, if he sinned even once, he would have been disqualified. Why did he who knew no sin become sin for us? SO that we may be created the righteousness of Christ in him?
Sorry, But “trying” is not going to make you good enough.
Your looking at it from a human viewpoint not Gods viewpoint.
God told adam that if he ate a particular fruit he would die. He did not say ifd you try your best to not eat the fruit, and if you really really try, then if you mess up God will just let it go, you really tried hard.
He said if you eat it you die. In fact, not only did Adam and his wife die. But all men died the moment adam died. (For as in adam all die, even so in christ ...)
if God thinks that deeply about eating a peace of fruit. You think he is going to allow your sin to go away just because you try?
God can not deal with sin, even one sin is to much for God to deal with, so for this matter, God has instituted the death penalty for every sin, How many times have you sinned? You have that many death penalties against you. What are you goinng to do about those judgments against you when God calls you up to collect? God is not going to say you tried really hard, so come on in.
Finally.. You cannot use you as a fdather and your children as a reasonh. YOUR NOT GODS CHILD if your not born again, Your a child of satan. You want to have satan determine your eternity, good luck, I am sure satan will tell you if you try really hard, he will let you in.
Only one problem, Satan is headed to hell. And his children will follow him their.
Sorry, But “trying” is not going to make you good enough.
Your looking at it from a human viewpoint not Gods viewpoint.
God told adam that if he ate a particular fruit he would die. He did not say ifd you try your best to not eat the fruit, and if you really really try, then if you mess up God will just let it go, you really tried hard.
He said if you eat it you die. In fact, not only did Adam and his wife die. But all men died the moment adam died. (For as in adam all die, even so in christ ...)
if God thinks that deeply about eating a peace of fruit. You think he is going to allow your sin to go away just because you try?
God can not deal with sin, even one sin is to much for God to deal with, so for this matter, God has instituted the death penalty for every sin, How many times have you sinned? You have that many death penalties against you. What are you goinng to do about those judgments against you when God calls you up to collect? God is not going to say you tried really hard, so come on in.
Finally.. You cannot use you as a fdather and your children as a reasonh. YOUR NOT GODS CHILD if your not born again, Your a child of satan. You want to have satan determine your eternity, good luck, I am sure satan will tell you if you try really hard, he will let you in.
Only one problem, Satan is headed to hell. And his children will follow him their.
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J
so if we "try", make a mistake, but persist in trying, its not good enough and in to the hot place we go forever and ever, becouse the Father loves us so much??
what other viewpoint do we look at the scriptures? the Most High gives scriptures for us to look at from a heavenly perspective, if we could see everything from that point there would be no need for scriptures lol.
you have to try, what other way is there, you think people are just born perfect, of course not, its a series of test, highs and lows, trying, persesting, until you progress to your goal.
every mistake equals death, i wouldnt punish my kids with death for making one mistake.
Matthew 7:10-12 [SUP]
10 [/SUP]Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? [SUP]11 [/SUP]If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
Jesus uses that same example. so to think like Jesus teaches means i am a child of Satan? wow that makes no sense at all. where in the world do such ideas come from . . .
what other viewpoint do we look at the scriptures? the Most High gives scriptures for us to look at from a heavenly perspective, if we could see everything from that point there would be no need for scriptures lol.
you have to try, what other way is there, you think people are just born perfect, of course not, its a series of test, highs and lows, trying, persesting, until you progress to your goal.
every mistake equals death, i wouldnt punish my kids with death for making one mistake.
Matthew 7:10-12 [SUP]
10 [/SUP]Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? [SUP]11 [/SUP]If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
Jesus uses that same example. so to think like Jesus teaches means i am a child of Satan? wow that makes no sense at all. where in the world do such ideas come from . . .
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