Will The AntiChrist Control The Whole World?

[doulos]

At least I have verses showing there is a king an antichrist in the last days.

As we can all see not a single one of the verses that use the word antichrist says he is a king or that he comes in the last days. So as we can all see your belief is based on the doctrines you have been taught, not what the verses actually state.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

But what do you have “ZIP” “NOTHING” “0” not one verse, not one single verse , showing that there is no antichrist/ king in the end,

LOL the bible doesn't tell us what isn't but what is. Show us which of the 4 verses quoted above says the antichrist is king, which one says antichrist comes in the end? As we can all see there are many and they have been here a long time.

and not one single verse showing that Islam is the beast from Rv13.

Just as not one single verse says that Daniels lion was Babylon. Or that the bearswas Medo-Persia. Or that the leopard was Greece. Identifying those beasts came from using sound hermeneutic principles to identify them.

How stupid do you think we are?

I never accused anyone of being stupid, but then again I can understand your frustration. It must be frustrating trying to defend your statement that antichrist is a king in the end when not one verse in the Bible actually states that but instead tells us there are many and have been in the world since John wrote the verses. Happy hunting keep looking over your shoulder for that antichrist while a whole spiritual kingdom of them is staring right at you. Yawn your arguments are becoming monotonous, do you have anything worthwhile to add to the discussion or must you continue to sound like a broken record.

 

[peterT]

John told us what antichrist is because of the confusion and false doctrine that had already entered the church concerning antichrist.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
This definition of what antichrist is, is very clear and was given unto us to know exactly what antichrist is.
Any person, doctrine, system of religion, that is opposed to Jesus Christ and the spread of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is antichrist.
Not some endtime imaginary boogieman that man's doctrine has led many to believe.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

No one is disagreeing what an antichrist is.

But you can’t go around preaching there is no antichrist/ king in the last days without verses.

You can’t go around preaching Islam is the beast from Rv13 without verses.

But then again maybe you can, because it seems to be the way of it in the Christian faith these days.

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

No one is disagreeing what an antichrist is.
But you can’t go around preaching there is no antichrist/ king in the last days without verses.

To speak what I believe is the truth in not wrong. You say there are verses that claim there is and endtime antichrist king. I disagree with your interpretation of scripture. For you to say there is and antichrist king you need to prove with scripture there is. Since you're the one preaching there is an antichrist king show me the verses in God's Word that says what you're saying is true. The burden of proof is on you.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

You can’t go around preaching Islam is the beast from Rv13 without verses.

But then again maybe you can, because it seems to be the way of it in the Christian faith these days.

When we look at the kingdoms of the lion, bear, leopard today we see that they are all Islamic nations. United by a false prophet, united by a false word of God ( the quran ) that seeks the destruction of all religions. United by the belief that Jesus was only a prophet and not the Son of God.
He who denies the Son is antichrist. Seems to me Islam fits perfectly.
Take a look on some of the sites on the web concerning Islam. It is not a religion of peace.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[peterT]

To speak what I believe is the truth in not wrong. You say there are verses that claim there is and endtime antichrist king. I disagree with your interpretation of scripture. For you to say there is and antichrist king you need to prove with scripture there is. Since you're the one preaching there is an antichrist king show me the verses in God's Word that says what you're saying is true. The burden of proof is on you.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

Mostly beasts are known as kings in the bible not religions.

To say Islam is the beast from rv13, It’s just what you believe and that doesn’t make it gospel, or from the bible.

Yes the burden of proof lies on me I suppose, and every other Christian that has a heart for God’s word.

But it can’t lie on you because there is on proof, because it’s not in the Bible, it’s just what you believe and that doesn’t make it gospel, or from the bible.

Or are you prophesying, and giving revelation, or have you had a dream or vision?

Are you a prophet trying to directing Gods people and pointing to Islam as the beast in Rv13?

If so then there should be something in the Bible were we can measure and test your clam.

 

[doulos]

Mostly beasts are known as kings in the bible not religions.

Actually they are kingdoms not kings as is easily demonstrated by Daniels lion being Babylon, the bear Medo-Persia and the leopard Greece etc… Those who follow Christ are in his spiritual kingdom, those who follow Satan are in his spiritual kingdom. Islam is how Satans spiritual kingdom manifests itself in the end times. It teaches the exact opposite of the Gospel. It requires those who follow that kingdom to believe that God has no Son which makes all Mohammedans antichrist. It specifically targets those of the book (bible), Jews and Christians.

To say Islam is the beast from rv13, It’s just what you believe and that doesn’t make it gospel, or from the bible.

Identifying Daniels beasts in Scripture required the use of sound hermeneutic principles. Identifying the two beasts described in Revelation will also require the use of sound hermeneutic principles. A scripturally sound study of the Scriptures does reveal that Islam is Satan’s spiritual kingdom. As you know there is far too much Scripture in the Bible to cover it all in one post. Might I suggest you read the thread I started on a day is a year to see a practical application of sound hermeneutic principles being used. As I already said it can’t be covered in a single post. While it only exposes the tip f the iceberg it should be enough for those who are seeking the truth to start examining the possibility. Remember Scripture tells us to study to shew ourselves approved unfortunately most just accept what they have been spoon fed when it comes to prophecy.

Yes the burden of proof lies on me I suppose, and every other Christian that has a heart for God’s word.

So long as you claim Scripture says that antichrist is a king in the end times then you should be able to show where Scripture says antichrist is a king. You should also be able to show where it say antichrist comes in the end times. Unfortunately as anyone who can read can see, the only verses that discuss antichrists tell us there are many and they have been in the world since John wrote those verses. None of them say antichrist is a king or that it comes in the end times.

But it can’t lie on you because there is on proof, because it’s not in the Bible, it’s just what you believe and that doesn’t make it gospel, or from the bible.

Actually a sound hermeneutic study of the Scriptures positively identifies the beast of Rev13:2 as the spiritual kingdom of Islam. As I’ve already explained considering the amount of prophecy and history required too see this it can’t be demonstrated in a single post. But the day is a year in prophecy thread does expose the tip of the iceberg and should be enough to open the eyes of those seeking truth so that they will study to shew themselves approved rightly dividing the word of truth. Dan12:4&9 both tell us the book of Daniel is sealed until the time of the end. Most end time doctrines traditionally taught base there understanding of Rev on what they thought Daniel meant. Unfortunately most of these doctrines were built before the seal was lifted on the book of Daniel, so at best they can only be partially correct.

Or are you prophesying, and giving revelation, or have you had a dream or vision?

My opinions are based on thoroughly examining and studying the Scriptures and the commonly taught doctrines as well as there origins. I found all lacking except one and it is not commonly taught.

Are you a prophet trying to directing Gods people and pointing to Islam as the beast in Rv13?

I’ve made no claim to be a prophet just a follower of Christ that is diligently searching for the truth. I am a man that fears making the mistake of making God’s word of none effect by following traditions (doctrines) that may be in error (see Mark7:13). My studies have resulted in the view I now hold, not one that I came up with on my own but one of the many views I have thoroughly researched in my search for the truth.

If so then there should be something in the Bible were we can measure and test your clam.

Maybe you could start by looking at the thread a day is a year in prophecy The belief that Islam is the beast of Rev13:2 is confirmed by sound hermeneutic study of Scripture, textually, mathematically, and historically. Islam is a belief system that teaches the exact opposite of the gospel while requiring it’s followers to be antichrist. While also requiring it’s followers to specifically target the people of the book(bible), Jews and Christians. I could continue but due to the constraints of space and time when posting I can only expose the tip of the iceberg, may I suggest you do a google search “the False Peophet a free online book” and read that free book which goes into much more detail showing that Islam is the beast of Rev13:2 and the Muhammed is the false prophet.

 

[JS]

There's also something I noticed about earlier MSS's being 616. Just a note if you want to dig deeper.

Do a yahoo earch for submission quaran 666 or a google searh of quran 666 You might be suprised by what you'll find. The submission sect of Islam (Bahattin Uzankaya) considers the number 666 as well as the number 19 yo demonstrate the perfecction of the Joran (Quran) and proof that Muhammed is the prophet of allah.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

As the above verse shows the beast has the number of a man. That man is the prophet Muhammed.

On an interesting side note on the Zola Levitt program, Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist now Christian evangelist, said that when he saw the Greek symbol that is translated in the Bible as 666, he immediately read it as the Arabic character “Bismillah” (some spell Bismilla) which means "in the name of Allah." (Though it looks more like the character for "Allah").

 

[loveme1]

The Bible gives you so much information.

The three 6's are a clue to the name.( only understood at the right season)

islam is a tool for the beast, but it is not the only tool....

What they believe is that if they get rid of the people who believe in Almighty Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah, then they can enter into a new spiritual state becoming gods.

So any of us who do not accept this will need to be removed, our energy is negative to their goal.

They will have to deceive the masses, and love and peace will be a covert for this evil agenda.

Of course when ego's this big unite, you will always see destruction......

There is a Rebellion.

Before the end comes, Almighty Yahvah God sent Yahshua our Messiah as a sacrifice for our sin, if you want to be forgiven and reconciled will your Heavenly Father then, repent and call out in the name of Yahshua the Messiah.


Study the bible and see how it all came to pass and how it will yet come to pass.

antichrist is the rebellion, they will bring forth the beast, at first it will seem peaceful and loving, but wolves can come in sheep clothing......................

Remember if they are not for, they are against even if it doesn't seem evil, if it is against Almighty Yahvah God it is evil. remember we can not judge them by our own idea of good, we learn Almighty Yahvah God's way and then we know that all those religions are candy coated evil.

 

[Laodicea]

Anti means in place of. The antichrist is someone in place of Christ

 

[loveme1]

Anti means in place of. The antichrist is someone in place of Christ

Yes, but the people behind "the in place of" are anti- Yahshua the Messiah, if they were for him, then they would have no need to create a "in place of"................

 

[Laodicea]

Yes, but the people behind "the in place of" are anti- Yahshua the Messiah, if they were for him, then they would have no need to create a "in place of"................

The antichrist is in place of Christ in order to deceive people. The antichrist will look like Christ and act like him but, the Bible points out the error of the antichrist.

 

[krisbrian]

The antichrist is in place of Christ in order to deceive people. The antichrist will look like Christ and act like him but, the Bible points out the error of the antichrist.

Yes, and I think this is what is going to deceive a lot of people.

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

 

[Laodicea]

Yes, and I think this is what is going to deceive a lot of people.

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

The antichrist comes from the church and has been working since the days of the apostles
1 John 4:3
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 Thessalonians 2:7
(7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

 

[loveme1]

The antichrist is in place of Christ in order to deceive people. The antichrist will look like Christ and act like him but, the Bible points out the error of the antichrist.

One man will not by himself stand up and exercise authority by himself, he is part of the rebellion evil agenda.

The system behind him coming is what I was trying to highlight.


20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Yes, there will be one that is proclaimed the messiah, though we will know it is not the true Messiah Yahshua.

 

[doulos]

Anti means in place of. The antichrist is someone in place of Christ

Why rely on mans definition when Scripture tells us exactly what antichrist's do. When one relies on mans definitions they can create confusion. Those who use man's definition of instead of Scriptures definition, changes the definition Scripture gives. By using mans definition one changes an antichrist from one who denies Christ to one who replaces Christ. How can one replace something they deny? Isn't that creating an oxymoron? Nothing personal friend but I think we are better served to stick with the definition Scripture provides rather then leaning on man's definition which creates an oxymoron. IF I understand your view correctly you believe that the pope or Catholicism is the antichrist, but I must ask which one of the verses that discuss antichrist are the Catholics guilty of transgressing? Do they deny God or Christ? Do they deny Christ is come in the flesh?
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that den
ieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 

[Laodicea]

1 John 4:3
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

G500
ἀντίχριστος
antichristos
an-tee'-khris-tos
From G473 and G5547; an opponent of the Messiah: - antichrist.

G473
ἀντί
anti
an-tee'
A primary particle; opposite, that is, instead or because of (rarely in addition to): - for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.

Have you read about the immaculate conception? Do you know what they teach about the nature of Christ? Do you know why they have infant baptism?

 

[doulos]

1 John 4:3
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

G500
ἀντίχριστος
antichristos
an-tee'-khris-tos
From G473 and G5547; an opponent of the Messiah: - antichrist.

G473
ἀντί
anti
an-tee'
A primary particle; opposite, that is, instead or because of (rarely in addition to): - for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.

Have you read about the immaculate conception? Do you know what they teach about the nature of Christ? Do you know why they have infant baptism?

Are you sayng the Catholics deny Jesus Christ is come in the flesh? Don't the Catholics teach that Christ was born of a virgin, crucified and then was resurrected on the third day? That doesn't sound like someone that denis Christ is come in the flesh. Once again if you want to follow the doctrines of men which say instead of rather then base your belief on what Scripture says that is your choice. As we can all see not one single verse in Scripture says antichrist takes the place of Christ or is instead of Christ.
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Wouldn't relying on man's definition instead of the definition Scripture provides be relying on private interpretation?

 

[peterT]

My opinions are based on thoroughly examining and studying the Scriptures and the commonly taught doctrines as well as there origins. I found all lacking except one and it is not commonly taught.

Daniel7:17 These great beasts, which are four, [are] four kings, [which] shall arise out of the earth.

Showing beasts have kings.

And ten horns/ten kings came up out of the fourth beast, and another little horn came up, another king.

I thought your beast had no kings?

There are a lot of kings coming out of your theory of the beast, out of Islam when you say there is no king in the beast.

And that little horn, that king with a mouth speaking great things who’s body was given to the burning flame, and makes war with the saints in the Ancient of days.

A king in the Ancient of days that comes out of your theory about the beast, makes war with the saints. That makes him an antichrist in the last days that comes out of your theory of the beast.

Maybe you can show us from some other scripture that Islam is the beast and that has no king in the Ancient of days?

Because these scriptures about the beast have kings and a king.

Ephesians 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

 

[doulos]

Daniel7:17 These great beasts, which are four, [are] four kings, [which] shall arise out of the earth.

Showing beasts have kings.

And ten horns/ten kings came up out of the fourth beast, and another little horn came up, another king.

I thought your beast had no kings?

There are a lot of kings coming out of your theory of the beast, out of Islam when you say there is no king in the beast.

And that little horn, that king with a mouth speaking great things who’s body was given to the burning flame, and makes war with the saints in the Ancient of days.

A king in the Ancient of days that comes out of your theory about the beast, makes war with the saints. That makes him an antichrist in the last days that comes out of your theory of the beast.

Maybe you can show us from some other scripture that Islam is the beast and that has no king in the Ancient of days?

Because these scriptures about the beast have kings and a king.

Ephesians 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

As we can see from the above verse there are seven kings but eight beasts. So as any one capable of comprehending what is written can see there is no king for the eighth beast. In the last five years, about 2,000,000 South Sudanese Christians have been slaughtered by Jihadists, their pastors murdered by crucifixion - it is hard to get accurate figures from the remote areas. If you are found to be a Christian by the religious police in Saudi Arabia, they behead you. With over 18760 terrorists attacks since 9/11 alone, we can see Islam (which has it’s seat in the geographic areas that were once occupied by Daniels leopard bear and lion beast) being led by the spirit of antichrist does not need a king to wage a very effective Jihad on the people of the book(bible), Christians and Jews.
As I have pointed out multiple times identifying the beasts in prophecy requires using sound hermeneutic principles and is far to involved to explain in a single post. I have started a thread a day is a year in prophecy where I have shown just the tip of the ice berg (so to speak ) demonstrating fulfilled prophecy that clearly points at Islam as the beast of Rev13:2.

Show us which one of the only verses that use the word antichrist tell us antichrist is a king?
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

As we can all see from the above verses the belief that there are many antichrists and they have been in the world a long time is solidly based on what Scriptures says. On the other hand not one of those verses says that antichrist is a king, or that antichrist comes in the end.

In another post you asked someone if they were a prophet, so let me ask you, are you a prophet? If not then why are you trying to tell the future? Wouldn’t we be better served to base our beliefs on what we can prove from Scripture and history rather then guessing at what the future might be? Haven’t the failed predictions of the futurists brought enough contempt on the Scriptures? The Jews let their preconceived notions about the first coming of Christ blind them to the fact that Christ was standing before them and demanded He be crucified for committing blasphemy. Must we make the same mistake and let our preconceived notions blind us to the fact that prophecy has been unfolding before our eyes since John wrote the verses?

 

[peterT]

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

He is the king of the 7th even he is the eighth, and is of the seven.

Ephesians 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;