Will The AntiChrist Control The Whole World?

[1Christianwarrior316]

Mostly beasts are known as kings in the bible not religions.

Even you agree with many well known Christian and Jewish scholars that identify the Lion is Babylon, the Bear is Medo-Persia, and the Leopard is Greece. These all being kingdoms, not kings, Daniel 7:23. When we recognize the geographical areas that these kingdoms of the Lion, the Bear, and the Leopard controlled in their days we see that in today’s world these kingdoms of where the Lion, Bear, and Leopard once occupied are now Islamic countries. All united by the spirit of antichrist. Our battle is not with flesh and blood. It is a spiritual battle as Paul tells us in Ephesians 6:12

To say Islam is the beast from rv13, It’s just what you believe and that doesn’t make it gospel, or from the bible.

I believe that the Bible does show that Islam is the beast. It is not just what I believe. There are many people that recognize the beast of Revelation as Islam. Your refusal to see this is because you are following the precepts of man. The common doctrine that is being taught today. I think you should read the day is a year in prophecy thread as doulos has make an excellent post showing just what I believe. Consider checking out this link. BEHOLD THE BEAST

Yes the burden of proof lies on me I suppose, and every other Christian that has a heart for God’s word.

When one makes a statement saying that antichrist is an end time king, it is up to that person to show scripturally their proof. You made the statement, you’re the one I’m asking. Are you saying that I do not have a heart for the truth in God’s Word?
Which of these verses say antichrist an end time king?
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

I believe man’s definition of antichrist has led many a believer to incorrectly understand what God’s Word defines for us what antichrist is. All the above verses tell us what antichrist is. Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God, 1John 4:2 And every spirit denies Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is antichrist, and is of the devil.

But it can’t lie on you because there is on proof, because it’s not in the Bible, it’s just what you believe and that doesn’t make it gospel, or from the bible.

Again read the day is a year in prophecy thread. I believe the proof has been well shown by doulos.

Are you a prophet trying to directing Gods people and pointing to Islam as the beast in Rv13?
Or are you prophesying, and giving revelation, or have you had a dream or vision?
If so then there should be something in the Bible were we can measure and test your clam.

When we study the Bible in search of the truth, lean not unto our own understanding, quit following the precepts or traditions of man and listen to what His Word is revealing unto us we might be surprised at what we may learn. What is interesting is that I believed exactly the way you are believing now. And once a dear brother of mine in the Lord showed me the error of my understanding I did not immediately believe him, as a matter of fact I rebuked him. But the Lord put it upon my heart and I searched the scriptures and prayed that God would reveal the truth unto me. And once I was able to put away my own understanding and the doctrinal filters that I did not realize were upon eyes, the Lord revealed by his word the truth which was built on sound hermeneutics and not built on the precepts of men. This was not easy to do because these teachings I understood had been instilled in me over many years.
I am no prophet nor have I claimed to be one. I am a servant to my Lord and Savior. My understanding is based on prophecy that I understand as having been fulfilled.
On the other hand maybe it’s futurist like you that are the ones playing prophet.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[doulos]

He is the king of the 7th even he is the eighth, and is of the seven.

Ephesians 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Thanks for providing a verse that shows what your doctrine is doing!

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the
other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short
space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Can an 8th king come from the 7 kings before him? No, but an 8th kingdom can come from the 7 kingdoms that came before it. Rev17:10 clearly states there are 7 kings. The subject of Rev17:11 is the beast so the “he” of Rev17:11 is the 8th beast not the 8th king. On and on you go like a broken record. Do you have anything productive to add to the discussion or do you just want to keep repeating your sophomoric argument that has already been proven to be in error? Why not address the questions you’ve been asked? Is it because you are unable to provide a hermeneutically sound study of the scriptures that support your view?

 

[peterT]

Thanks for providing a verse that shows what your doctrine is doing!

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the
other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short
space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Can an 8th king come from the 7 kings before him? No, but an 8th kingdom can come from the 7 kingdoms that came before it. Rev17:10 clearly states there are 7 kings. The subject of Rev17:11 is the beast so the “he” of Rev17:11 is the 8th beast not the 8th king. On and on you go like a broken record. Do you have anything productive to add to the discussion or do you just want to keep repeating your sophomoric argument that has already been proven to be in error? Why not address the questions you’ve been asked? Is it because you are unable to provide a hermeneutically sound study of the scriptures that support your view?

Ten kings on the 7th head in Rv17.

Ten kings on the beast in Daniel in the Ancient of days.

And there came up among them another little horn/king.

Notec another king after the ten kings before whom there were three of the first kings plucked up by the roots.

And, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame in the Ancient of days.

After the ten kings come to power another king, and he shall subdue three kings, that makes 8 kings left, the 8th but of the 7th . the seventh head in Rv17 had ten kings but after that a new power a new political system the 8th but of the 7th.

 

[doulos]

Ten kings on the 7th head in Rv17.

Ten kings on the beast in Daniel in the Ancient of days.

And there came up among them another little horn/king.

Notec another king after the ten kings before whom there were three of the first kings plucked up by the roots.

And, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame in the Ancient of days.

After the ten kings come to power another king, and he shall subdue three kings, that makes 8 kings left, the 8th but of the 7th . the seventh head in Rv17 had ten kings but after that a new power a new political system the 8th but of the 7th.

Dan 7:23-26 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,
which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall
tread it down, and break it in pieces. And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.


Rev 17:12-17 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no
kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one
mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

So let me get this straight are you saying the 10 kings from Daniel are the 10 kings in Rev17? How can the 10 kings give their power to the 8th beast if as you say the 11th has already subdued 3 kings before him leaving only 8?

''Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.'' Sir Walter Scott
Let’s keep it Scriptural. What was that verse you were quoting?
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

 

[peterT]

''Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.'' Sir Walter Scott
Let’s keep it Scriptural. What was that verse you were quoting?
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

Yes the ten kings they give the power and strength to the beast, but I suppose mid-week three kings must disagree with where he is going with this.

If the kings in Daniel7 are not the kings in Rv17 then you have two bunches of ten kings in the end, and the little horn/king whose look [was] more stout than his fellows makes war with the saints In the Ancient of days, and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

I doubt there are two bunches of ten kings/20 kings in the end .

And that one particular king that makes war with the saints who as eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things whose look [was] more stout than his fellows and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame is an end time king, thus putting the 10 kings of daniel7 on track with the 10 kings of Rv17

You have still showed nothing that the 8th is Islam and there are no kings in it.

As you can see I have a foundation concerning this topic built upon the word. If you won’t me to swop it, you will have to do better than that.

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

Yes the ten kings they give the power and strength to the beast, but I suppose mid-week three kings must disagree with where he is going with this.

Wrong peterT. Scripture says it is the dragon that gives power unto the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

In Christ 1Christianwarrior316

 

[Laodicea]

Ten kings on the 7th head in Rv17.

Ten kings on the beast in Daniel in the Ancient of days.

And there came up among them another little horn/king.

Notec another king after the ten kings before whom there were three of the first kings plucked up by the roots.

And, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame in the Ancient of days.

After the ten kings come to power another king, and he shall subdue three kings, that makes 8 kings left, the 8th but of the 7th . the seventh head in Rv17 had ten kings but after that a new power a new political system the 8th but of the 7th.

Daniel 7:24
(24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

The 10 horns are ten kings, they come from Europe where there are many kings, they are political powers. The little horn is different to the ten kings, it is not mentioned as a king so since it is different to the political powers it is a religious power.

 

[doulos]

Yes the ten kings they give the power and strength to the beast, but I suppose mid-week three kings must disagree with where he is going with this.

No need to suppose your mid week theory just went out the window. Why try to cling to it when it has been proven wrong?

If the kings in Daniel7 are not the kings in Rv17 then you have two bunches of ten kings in the end, and the little horn/king whose look [was] more stout than his fellows makes war with the saints In the Ancient of days, and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

The saints have been in possession of the kingdom since the resurrection. John told us in Rev1:9 he was already in the kingdom and patience of Christ.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Col1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Mat 16:19 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
As we can see from the above verses we have posessed the keingdom since the first century. The 10 kings from Daniel are in our past the 10 kings from Rev give their power to the beast in the final hour. 2 different groups of 10 kings.

I doubt there are two bunches of ten kings/20 kings in the end .

There aren’t, Daniel’s 10 kings are not the same as the 10 kings of Rev.

And that one particular king that makes war with the saints who as eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things whose look [was] more stout than his fellows and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame is an end time king, thus putting the 10 kings of daniel7 on track with the 10 kings of Rv17

Per your interpretation which does not match what Scripture states and has already been proven to be in error. Didn’t you say “Yes the ten kings they give the power and strength to the beast, but I suppose mid-week three kings must disagree with where he is going with this” and yet you still search for a way to cling to it even though you know it is in error. Sad isn’t it when one knows they are wrong but still want to cling to error.

You have still showed nothing that the 8th is Islam and there are no kings in it.

Once again may I point out there is far to much involved to explain it all in one post. The subject of this thread is antichrist not the identity of the beast. I did start a thread called a day is a year in prophecy that does show the tip of the iceberg (for lack of better term) that demonstrates a timeline showing where Islam has played a major role in fulfilled prophecy (much of which you think is still future) and helps us to identify that Islam is the beast (satan's 7th and 8th kingdoms), that worships the dragon

As you can see I have a foundation concerning this topic built upon the word. If you won’t me to swop it, you will have to do better than that.

What I can see is that your foundation is built on guess work theology. Your own statement at the beginning of post 105 in this thread demonstrates that you are starting to realize that the view you hold does not really match what Scripture says. Yet amazingly you still try to find a way to cling to it rather then take an open minded approach and examine another view. Sad isn’t it!

If as you say antichrist is a king in the end, then why don’t any of the verses that use the term antichrist state antichrist is a king? Why do the verses that use the term antichrist tell us antichrists have been here a long time instead of antichrist will come in the end? Could it be because it is man’s doctrine that promotes these ideas, and not Scripture?

 

[peterT]

Daniel 7:24
(24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

The 10 horns are ten kings, they come from Europe where there are many kings, they are political powers. The little horn is different to the ten kings, it is not mentioned as a king so since it is different to the political powers it is a religious power.

Yes he is different as he is the devil in the flesh.

horns are kings

Daniel7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

20 And of the ten horns that [were] in his head, and [of] the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even [of] that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look [was] more stout than his fellows.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

It doesn’t say he is not a king.

The little horn is a king. But I am not saying he is not religious

 

[peterT]

No need to suppose your mid week theory just went out the window. Why try to cling to it when it has been proven wrong?

You haven’t proved anything wrong.

If as you say antichrist is a king in the end, then why don’t any of the verses that use the term antichrist state antichrist is a king?

What are you saying that a king that makes war with the saints is not an antichrist because the word antichrist is not in the verse?

 

[peterT]

Daniel 7:24
(24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

The 10 horns are ten kings, they come from Europe where there are many kings, they are political powers. The little horn is different to the ten kings, it is not mentioned as a king so since it is different to the political powers it is a religious power.

Well done thou good and faithful servant you have just helped strengthen his theory that there is no antichrist

 

[peterT]

The saints have been in possession of the kingdom since the resurrection. John told us in Rev1:9 he was already in the kingdom and patience of Christ.
?

Rubbish and nonsense doctrine.

We saints of the most High have not possessed any kingdom on earth for all the kingdoms of this world belong to the devil.

Matt4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

The only thing the saints have possessed is a peace of the spirit of God in our hearts and by faith his kingdom, but the kingdoms of this world belongs to the devil.

What better way to protect the Antichrist than to say there is on Antichrist.

Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light And his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness.

2Cor11;11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

When he comes to power he will deceive them that dwell on the earth by miracles.

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

[Laodicea]

Well done thou good and faithful servant you have just helped strengthen his theory that there is no antichrist

Daniel 7:24 clearly says the little horn is different.
Daniel 7:24
(24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Since the 10 kings are political then the little horn is not political it is a religious power.

 

[doulos]

Rubbish and nonsense doctrine.

We saints of the most High have not possessed any kingdom on earth for all the kingdoms of this world belong to the devil.

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Are you saying John lied and he wasn’t in the kingdom and patience of Christ?

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Are you saying the Scriptures lie and we haven’t already been made kings?

Col1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Are you saying the Scriptures lie and we have not been translated into the kingdom of His dear Son?

Remember our battle is not “against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places”. When Christ defeated Satan in the first century He established His kingdom.It isn’t a physical kingdom but a spiritual kingdom. Remember the battle is spiritual, a battle between Christ’s spiritual kingdom and Satan’s spiritual kingdom. If you want to believe you are not in the kingdom of Christ right now it’s your choice.

Mat 16:19 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Maybe if the majority of the church actually realized we are in the kingdom and presence of Christ and that we are reining the church may not have allowed so much evil to be let loose in the world. The world is a mess and the church only has it’s self to blame!

What better way to protect the Antichrist than to say there is on Antichrist.

As Scripture tells us there are many not just one. (1John2:18)

Go ahead keep looking over your shoulder for that boogieman, I just pray that the beast staring at you doesn't take your head while your looking over your shoulder.

 

[texian]

"Rev 17:10 "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the
other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short
space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Can an 8th king come from the 7 kings before him? No, but an 8th kingdom can come from the 7 kingdoms that came before it. Rev17:10 clearly states there are 7 kings. The subject of Rev17:11 is the beast so the “he” of Rev17:11 is the 8th beast not the 8th king."

The subject of Revelation 17: 1-7 is false religion, and the church after the falling away of II Thessalonians 2: 3-4. Revelation 17: 3 says "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."

The Reformation Protestants would say this beast who the woman as false religion sits on is the Roman political power, or is the Roman Catholic Church itself.

The apostate church riding the political beast government, and being under the government and in agreement with it, is only one possible layer of this prophecy.

The beast who the woman as false religion rides can also be seen as part of false religion, not political government. So Revelation 17: 11 is not about a succession of political rulers, called kings, or political kingdoms, it is broader than that.

"And the beast that was, and is not is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

This can apply to a particular nation and to physical Israel, and to the Christian church.

Its talking about beasts which once existed, then ceased to exist, and then existed again. What nation, important in the Bible, existed, then ceased to exist, but now exists again? "And I saw one of the heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed; and all the world wondered after the beast." Revelation 13: 3.

Physical Israel was once the chosen people, we can say, was in number 7 as being in God (number 6 is man, since man was created on the 6th day), but then physical Israel went into apostasy and also rejected Christ, and moved beyond 7 into 8. and goes into perdition. The same can be said of the Roman Catholic Church, but here it gets a little ambiguous because while the early Christians before Catholicism were in number 7, its hard to claim that the Catholic Church was ever in number 7, accepted by God. The Protestant Church as once in sound doctrine, was in number 7, but in recent years moved into number 8, as apostasy.

 

[doulos]

"Rev 17:10 "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the
other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short
space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Can an 8th king come from the 7 kings before him? No, but an 8th kingdom can come from the 7 kingdoms that came before it. Rev17:10 clearly states there are 7 kings. The subject of Rev17:11 is the beast so the “he” of Rev17:11 is the 8th beast not the 8th king."

The subject of Revelation 17: 1-7 is false religion, and the church after the falling away of II Thessalonians 2: 3-4. Revelation 17: 3 says "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."

The Reformation Protestants would say this beast who the woman as false religion sits on is the Roman political power, or is the Roman Catholic Church itself.

The apostate church riding the political beast government, and being under the government and in agreement with it, is only one possible layer of this prophecy.

The beast who the woman as false religion rides can also be seen as part of false religion, not political government. So Revelation 17: 11 is not about a succession of political rulers, called kings, or political kingdoms, it is broader than that.

"And the beast that was, and is not is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

This can apply to a particular nation and to physical Israel, and to the Christian church.

Its talking about beasts which once existed, then ceased to exist, and then existed again. What nation, important in the Bible, existed, then ceased to exist, but now exists again? "And I saw one of the heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed; and all the world wondered after the beast." Revelation 13: 3.

Physical Israel was once the chosen people, we can say, was in number 7 as being in God (number 6 is man, since man was created on the 6th day), but then physical Israel went into apostasy and also rejected Christ, and moved beyond 7 into 8. and goes into perdition. The same can be said of the Roman Catholic Church, but here it gets a little ambiguous because while the early Christians before Catholicism were in number 7, its hard to claim that the Catholic Church was ever in number 7, accepted by God. The Protestant Church as once in sound doctrine, was in number 7, but in recent years moved into number 8, as apostasy.

Remember this is a spiritual battle between Christ's kingdom and Satan's kingdom. The spiritual kingdom of Islam now occcupies the same geographic locations as Daniels leopard bear and lion kingdoms. The spiritual kingdom of Islam teaches the exact oposite of the gospel. The spiritual kingdom of Islam teaches all it's followers that God has no Son making all of them antichrists. The spiritual kingdom of Islam specifically targets the people of the book(bible), Jews and Christians. The spiritual kingdom of Islam suffered a mortal wound during the first jihad. That wound has healed and they are waging jihad again in the image of the first. As for as the number 666 goes the Submission sect (Bahattin Uzunkaya), that considers the number 666 as well as the number 19, to demonstrate the perfection of the Koran and the proof that Muhammad is the prophet of Allah.

 

[peterT]

Daniel 7:24 clearly says the little horn is different.
Daniel 7:24
(24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Since the 10 kings are political then the little horn is not political it is a religious power.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them;

The little horn is a king. yes different as it clearly says and a mouth that spake very great things whose look [was] more stout than his fellows.

It doesn’t say he is not a king it says ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them

The little horn is a king.

 

[peterT]

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Are you saying John lied and he wasn’t in the kingdom and patience of Christ?

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Are you saying the Scriptures lie and we haven’t already been made kings?

Col1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Are you saying the Scriptures lie and we have not been translated into the kingdom of His dear Son?

Remember our battle is not “against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places”. When Christ defeated Satan in the first century He established His kingdom.It isn’t a physical kingdom but a spiritual kingdom. Remember the battle is spiritual, a battle between Christ’s spiritual kingdom and Satan’s spiritual kingdom. If you want to believe you are not in the kingdom of Christ right now it’s your choice.

Mat 16:19 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Maybe if the majority of the church actually realized we are in the kingdom and presence of Christ and that we are reining the church may not have allowed so much evil to be let loose in the world. The world is a mess and the church only has it’s self to blame!





As Scripture tells us there are many not just one. (1John2:18)

Go ahead keep looking over your shoulder for that boogieman, I just pray that the beast staring at you doesn't take your head while your looking over your shoulder.

All your puffing up of you feathers and flapping of your wings and through all your smoke and haze, you still have shown nothing saying there is no antichrist and that Islam is the beast.

Luke17:37 - Wheresoever the body [is], thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Matt23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

When the antichrist comes to power you will say he’s a prophet because you say there is no antichrist. That leading gods people astray, but that might be your job as he has made one vessel to honour and another to dishonour.

 

[doulos]

All your puffing up of you feathers and flapping of your wings and through all your smoke and haze, you still have shown nothing saying there is no antichrist and that Islam is the beast.

Yawn! Do you have anything productive to add? The same old sophmoric argument is growing monotonous. There is no verse that says there is no antichrist, but as I have said many times there are many antichrists and they have been here a long tiime see 1John2:18. You are the one that cannot show a verse that says antichrist is a king or that antichrist comes in the end.

This thread is about antichrists, not the identity of the beast. If you would like to discuss that then we can do it another thread. No sense sidetracking this one any more then it already has been.

 

[peterT]

Yawn! Do you have anything productive to add? The same old sophmoric argument is growing monotonous. There is no verse that says there is no antichrist, but as I have said many times there are many antichrists and they have been here a long tiime see 1John2:18. You are the one that cannot show a verse that says antichrist is a king or that antichrist comes in the end.

This thread is about antichrists, not the identity of the beast. If you would like to discuss that then we can do it another thread. No sense sidetracking this one any more then it already has been.

I have showed you many times an antichrist king in the latter day but you turn it into history but I think that’s your job.


A king these days can be a pope a president or prime minister or a king, the front runner the leader of the nation