WILL THERE BE A RAPTURE?

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KennethC

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Ahwatukee said:
Kenneth,

As always, the problem with the righteous being "caught up at the end of the Great Tribulation" is that by doing so you put the church through the entire wrath of God, which we are not appointed to suffer. The wrath of God which is carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments takes place prior to Christ's return to the earth to end the age. The church is not appointed to suffer this wrath or any wrath and that because Jesus already suffered it for us. This is what the resurrection and catching away is all about in 1 Thes.4:16-18. It is the removal of all those who are in Christ, those who are watching for and anticipating his appearing. The wrath of God is going to be poured out on those who will have continued to reject his Son and continue to live according to the sinful nature. Therefore, those who are true believers in Christ, who have been living from faith to faith, sowing to the Spirit and anticipating his return, will be resurrected and caught up prior to God's wrath, which means that the event would have to take place prior to the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.
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Wrong as God's wrath is not poured out tell the end of the Great Tribulation, as we can clearly read in the bible that the 1,260 days / 42 months of the Great Tribulation is given to the man of sin (1st beast) to seek out and persecute and kill Jews and Christians.

The Lord comes back and catches up those who believe in Him so that Armageddon and God's wrath can be poured out.

God' wrath takes place at the end of the GT, not all the way through it !!!

It says we are not appointed to face God's wrath that is poured out after the GT, it says nothing in the bible about escaping persecutions in the world. Instead Jesus said Himself that because He was persecuted so also will we be persecuted !!!
 
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Ahwatukee

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KennethC said:
Wrong as God's wrath is not poured out tell the end of the Great Tribulation, as we can clearly read in the bible that the 1,260 days / 42 months of the Great Tribulation is given to the man of sin (1st beast) to seek out and persecute and kill Jews and Christians.

The Lord comes back and catches up those who believe in Him so that Armageddon and God's wrath can be poured out.

God' wrath takes place at the end of the GT, not all the way through it !!!

It says we are not appointed to face God's wrath that is poured out after the GT, it says nothing in the bible about escaping persecutions in the world. Instead Jesus said Himself that because He was persecuted so also will we be persecuted !!!
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God's wrath runs parallel to all that is going on during the reign of the beast. To be clear, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be taking place during that entire time period and therefore, we cannot be here. The wrath of God is completed after the seventh bowl is poured and we know this because of what Jesus interjects at the pouring out of the sixth bowl:

"Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

Since Jesus makes the above statement when the sixth bowl is poured out, it would demonstrate that he has not yet returned to the earth to end the age, which is depicted in Rev.19:11-21
 
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KennethC

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Ahwatukee said:
God's wrath runs parallel to all that is going on during the reign of the beast. To be clear, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be taking place during that entire time period and therefore, we cannot be here. The wrath of God is completed after the seventh bowl is poured and we know this because of what Jesus interjects at the pouring out of the sixth bowl:

"Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

Since Jesus makes the above statement when the sixth bowl is poured out, it would demonstrate that he has not yet returned to the earth to end the age, which is depicted in Rev.19:11-21
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This passage you gave is in response to the battle of Armageddon, but before this takes place Jesus pulls us up into the air with Him so that God's wrath can be poured out.

Daniel 12:11 shows us the 1,290 days and the 1,335 days, the reason for this difference when Revelation mentions 1,260 days or 42 months is because those extra days of 30 and then 45 is for God's wrath and Armageddon !!!
 
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