Willful sin and the sin of ignorance

[jenniferand2]

That's right, you have to distinguish between past, present, and future. We are supposed to be past tense sinners, but present day saints.

we are not saints no one is The only time anyone lives totally free of Sin is when God brings us to heaven and cleans our spirit forever and we go on to live with God in heaven.. Until you see God you will always have some kind of sin either intentional or unintentional... So the only way to salvation is through God he will decide if you lived a life free from enough Sin or not. I also believe when he talks about Sin he is talking about breaking the ten commandments more then anything. Not to say that little sin is good but the major sins are breaking his commandments...

 

[Grace777x70]

The point being - you have twisted and used MY TESTIMONY! You have not answered a single scripture that I and others have posted. And in fact, you frequently accuse ISIT of not posting scripture correctly, when in fact, that is pretty much all he posts. If you don't agree with what he posts, on a context or interpretative basis - please correct him. I know he would be happy to engage in a real discussion of the truths of the Bible, instead of your copy and paste posts. (That really shocked me, too bad that thread is not around any more!)

I am sick to death of people who twist the Bible, and are not answerable, and keeping spreading lies. As for not repenting and confessing, I have heard you say that you "do not say I am against repentance." But I have seen nothing of you actually believing that repentance and confession of sins is a major part of the gospel. And including that in your too numerous to count posts.


Misusing Greek means - taking a Greek word and not understanding the use, the tense, the aspect, or the advanced grammar, because the only Greek you have studied comes off a few of the simplest internet sites. Using Greek means being true to the intent of the author, and with respect to scholars and what they have studied for thousands of years, and how we understand it. And not believing that somehow your bad use of Greek is being led by the Holy Spirit??

Ignorance of the correct way to use Greek is the most arrogant thing of all. Esp. when you use it to bolster your false points, and your lies.

And yes, if you continue to post things that are hermeneutically incorrect, by ripping them out of context, or misunderstanding the words in Greek, or the grammar, and I will continue to challenge you. You spent too long in this forum walking in your heresies, and I am going to post for those who do not know any better!

As for using my testimony of what God did in my life - cease and desist! Thanks in advance!

I and many others have given scriptures to refute ISIT and in the end he just insults people the same way some others do here when they get their ideas challenged.

Angela you have numerous times told outright lies saying that I don't believe in repentance or confessing of sins. Now - please go and find those posts and prove your accusations. I will post what I have spoken in the past to show the stark contrast of your continued lies.

When the Greek comes up than we can discuss it at the time - for now you are just spouting off things that have not be proven.

Further more I do not speak heresies - if something doesn't agree with your interpretation - then it is a heresy to you. I am not the one doing the lying here.

Go find the posts where I have said that believers don't repent nor do they confess sins. Prove that you are not lying. Do it..if I speak so many heresies than you must have all kinds of this proof. Then we will really see who is doing the lying here.

In the meantime I will post what I have posted many times in the past about repentance and confessing of sins.

Your testimony thing ahs been answered in the last post and you are completely mis-reading it but in the future I will not use "outbursts of anger" and 30 years when showing that the works of the flesh do not send the believer to hell.

I will be waiting for your "proof" of your lying accusations. Sometimes I just can't believe the behavior of Christians and they think this type of behavior is godly some how or other.

Thank you for supplying this proof. It is time for this type of behavior to be put to an end.

 

[Persuaded]

That's right, you have to distinguish between past, present, and future. We are supposed to be past tense sinners, but present day saints.

Are you a "past tense" sinner, i.e. do you now live without sin?
Are you teaching that we can live without ever sinning again?

 

[dcontroversal]

Are you a "past tense" sinner, i.e. do you now live without sin?
Are you teaching that we can live without ever sinning again?

Of course he is....totally denies 1st John and the WE IN PRESENT TENSE....

 

[dcontroversal]

How is one conformed into the image of Christ if sin remains?

Present tense means it was current for them. Does not say if we ever say we have no sin.. huge difference!

Really.....so jive this with John and his use of We X 2 in present tense and the word sin!

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Never said different, but also by the Spirit we are able to put to death the deeds of the flesh/body=put to death sin and stop sinning.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

So if one says they have been born again of the Spirit yet still continues in wilful sin, then you know for sure they are just blowing smoke.

Are you saying that you don't sin anymore or Is that the smoke fumes blowing?

 

[followjesus]

Your false grace doctrine says under grace wilful sin still has dominion over you. But the Truth shown in the gospel of Jesus Christ says under grace sin shall not have dominion over you.

Who are we to believe, your lies, or the Truth according to the words of God? I choose the Word and Spirit of Truth.

Bro the issue with these folks doctrine is that thier type of Grace, discounts everything Jesus taught. the core of thier beliefs are articles like this one

Posted on January 14, 2012 by Paul Ellis in Jesus, law, new covenant, old covenant // 94 Comments
“Don’t stray too far from the red letters,” is a piece of advice often given to new preachers. It means, stay close to the teachings of Jesus and you can’t go wrong. It SOUNDS GOOD, but it’s actually BAD ADVICE. Everything Jesus said was good and wonderful, but not everything He said was meant for you. Read the red letters of your Bible and you will find both stories of unprecedented grace and merciless declarations of law. Mix these messages and you will end up confused and double-minded. The solution is not to balance law and grace – you can’t – but to filter everything you read through the finished work of the cross. To make sense of what Jesus said, you need to understand what Jesus did and why."

at least 2 of them have quoted this article. when any christian doctrine changes the trut doctrine Of Our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, they have no hope of ever knowing truth, the false doctrine omits it in thier thinking. i used to think some of them would see the scriptures and how clearly the false doctrines like this are 100 percent refuted but ive realized, it is the " special grace Lens" that skews thier view. i know that you know this tyope of swtuff already, just amazing How christians by the numbers are falling for everything Jesus said not to fall for. there are probably more than 50 warnings n.t. to guard against teachings that negate our actions. paul just like Jesus clearly taught the warnings, weve all read them over and over, those with the " Lens" of Jesus Christ cant ever go wrong, any other Lense is a modification of this

God said " if you eat the fruit of the Knowledge of evil, you will surely die"

the enemy " naw, you dont need to listen to HIM, you wont die, Look through my Lense ill lead you home"


That serpent is clever and he just doesnt look like a monster, he even quotes scriptures hell even be polite to deceive Gods people, heck he qupted scripture to Jesus in an attempt to deceive Him ( never had a chance, but He tried) its sad to me to see the deceptions that have rooted in the modern " church"

Thank God for you and the many others Like you that just will never look away from Jesus, that my brother will lead any of us Home. God bless and Keep and increase you in every way He is pleased to do so. Keep the faith man, the world is trying Hard

 

[followjesus]

Of course he is....totally denies 1st John and the WE IN PRESENT TENSE....

there is absolutely no teaching in the bible that teaches us to go on in sin lol you guys get ridiculously bold with some of this stuff. let me give you a hint. the sinful nature, the old creation is the one shouting " we cant ever wuit sinning" that is not in any way the voice of the holy spirit. if a person follows Jesus teachings...they will not be sinning. ita mans mind that says " were not supposed to actually repent" because man loves the pleasure of sin. its mans corrupt thinking that teaches children of God, that its okay to go on sinning " no one ever really stops" none of the things the legion of gog spits out, has any biblical truth to it. you guys come to nearly every post thats in accordance with Jesus words, and here you go saying the most outlandish things, crazy doctrines yet none of them are taught in scripture. you find scripture that teaches believers in Jesus that " no one really ever repents of sin, or obeys Jesus" and youll have a shade of validity, but news flash you nor any of you will find the things you say in this forum. mostly the gog keepers on here, spend thier time arguing how clear scripture just isnt valid whether its paul

ephesians 5:1-7" Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children 2and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.3But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[SUP]a[/SUP]6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7Therefore do not be partners with them."

or Jesus

luke 13:3 "I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."


1st john ?? hahaha not in 1 john, nor any book in the bible will you find a provision for those who continue on living in sin. this false doctrine stuff totally ruins any bible discussion forum. you folks need to be in theology discussions, or gatherings of great revolutionary minds...because nothing you speak and understand comes from Gods word. isit, is correct in most everything He takes time to share on here. the more unpopular it is to the gog, just reveals its truth. anyone in line with Jesus is speaking truth, anyone explaining why noi one really ever wuits sinning, will not find support for that in scripture. i know you guys will go to romans and find " scriptiure declasre all are under sin" yet it goes on to read that we have died to Sin, how can we possibly Live in it any longer?

paul repeats. What then shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? by no means!"

what then shall we go on sinning because we are not under law but under grace? by no means !

translation " Paul is not providing for continuoing sin, He is revealing that Jesus freed us from sins dominion over us. sins control , were no longer slaves to it. its the past we died. there is no provision to feel comfortable when you know you are living in sin. and continuong in that way of thinking, will lead to destruction.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

All sinning is willful - whether you believe it or not and it has been proven many times.

No brother, all sin is not wilful but ignorance is not an excuse.

Hosea 4 warns us about the lack of knowledge and therefor I believe not all sin is wilful.

 

[dcontroversal]

there is absolutely no teaching in the bible that teaches us to go on in sin lol you guys get ridiculously bold with some of this stuff. let me give you a hint. the sinful nature, the old creation is the one shouting " we cant ever wuit sinning" that is not in any way the voice of the holy spirit. if a person follows Jesus teachings...they will not be sinning. ita mans mind that says " were not supposed to actually repent" because man loves the pleasure of sin. its mans corrupt thinking that teaches children of God, that its okay to go on sinning " no one ever really stops" none of the things the legion of gog spits out, has any biblical truth to it. you guys come to nearly every post thats in accordance with Jesus words, and here you go saying the most outlandish things, crazy doctrines yet none of them are taught in scripture. you find scripture that teaches believers in Jesus that " no one really ever repents of sin, or obeys Jesus" and youll have a shade of validity, but news flash you nor any of you will find the things you say in this forum. mostly the gog keepers on here, spend thier time arguing how clear scripture just isnt valid whether its paul

ephesians 5:1-7" Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children 2and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.3But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[SUP]a[/SUP]6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7Therefore do not be partners with them."

or Jesus

luke 13:3 "I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."


1st john ?? hahaha not in 1 john, nor any book in the bible will you find a provision for those who continue on living in sin. this false doctrine stuff totally ruins any bible discussion forum. you folks need to be in theology discussions, or gatherings of great revolutionary minds...because nothing you speak and understand comes from Gods word. isit, is correct in most everything He takes time to share on here. the more unpopular it is to the gog, just reveals its truth. anyone in line with Jesus is speaking truth, anyone explaining why noi one really ever wuits sinning, will not find support for that in scripture. i know you guys will go to romans and find " scriptiure declasre all are under sin" yet it goes on to read that we have died to Sin, how can we possibly Live in it any longer?

paul repeats. What then shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? by no means!"

what then shall we go on sinning because we are not under law but under grace? by no means !

translation " Paul is not providing for continuoing sin, He is revealing that Jesus freed us from sins dominion over us. sins control , were no longer slaves to it. its the past we died. there is no provision to feel comfortable when you know you are living in sin. and continuong in that way of thinking, will lead to destruction.

Now your just a liar and spreading lies...go post ONE PLACE WHERE I SAID THAT OR BE FOUND A FALSE WITNESS THAT SPREADS LIES WHICH GOD HATES ...PROVERBS 6....GUESS U LOST YOUR SALVATION....BETTER GET RE-SAVED!

 

[dcontroversal]

there is absolutely no teaching in the bible that teaches us to go on in sin lol you guys get ridiculously bold with some of this stuff. let me give you a hint. the sinful nature, the old creation is the one shouting " we cant ever wuit sinning" that is not in any way the voice of the holy spirit. if a person follows Jesus teachings...they will not be sinning. ita mans mind that says " were not supposed to actually repent" because man loves the pleasure of sin. its mans corrupt thinking that teaches children of God, that its okay to go on sinning " no one ever really stops" none of the things the legion of gog spits out, has any biblical truth to it. you guys come to nearly every post thats in accordance with Jesus words, and here you go saying the most outlandish things, crazy doctrines yet none of them are taught in scripture. you find scripture that teaches believers in Jesus that " no one really ever repents of sin, or obeys Jesus" and youll have a shade of validity, but news flash you nor any of you will find the things you say in this forum. mostly the gog keepers on here, spend thier time arguing how clear scripture just isnt valid whether its paul

ephesians 5:1-7" Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children 2and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.3But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[SUP]a[/SUP]6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7Therefore do not be partners with them."

or Jesus

luke 13:3 "I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."


1st john ?? hahaha not in 1 john, nor any book in the bible will you find a provision for those who continue on living in sin. this false doctrine stuff totally ruins any bible discussion forum. you folks need to be in theology discussions, or gatherings of great revolutionary minds...because nothing you speak and understand comes from Gods word. isit, is correct in most everything He takes time to share on here. the more unpopular it is to the gog, just reveals its truth. anyone in line with Jesus is speaking truth, anyone explaining why noi one really ever wuits sinning, will not find support for that in scripture. i know you guys will go to romans and find " scriptiure declasre all are under sin" yet it goes on to read that we have died to Sin, how can we possibly Live in it any longer?

paul repeats. What then shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? by no means!"

what then shall we go on sinning because we are not under law but under grace? by no means !

translation " Paul is not providing for continuoing sin, He is revealing that Jesus freed us from sins dominion over us. sins control , were no longer slaves to it. its the past we died. there is no provision to feel comfortable when you know you are living in sin. and continuong in that way of thinking, will lead to destruction.

Now your just a liar and spreading lies...go post ONE PLACE WHERE I SAID or INDICATED THAT OR BE FOUND A FALSE WITNESS THAT SPREADS LIES WHICH GOD HATES ...PROVERBS 6....GUESS U LOST YOUR SALVATION....BETTER GET RE-SAVED!

 

[mailmandan]

There is a member in these forums that says all sin is willful sin. And this same member even says despite ongoing willful sin, even the willful sin of practicing homosexual sex, even that willful sin and all willful sin shall be forgiven. People this false doctrine is straight from the pits of hell.

We have the words of God to prove that not all sin is willful sin as this member suggests, and we also have the words of God that tells us what happens if one sins willfully after receiving the knowledge of the Truth according to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 10:26 “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,”

To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and accidently fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10); Galatians 5:19-21 not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

 

[Grace777x70]

No brother, all sin is not wilful but ignorance is not an excuse.

Hosea 4 warns us about the lack of knowledge and therefor I believe not all sin is wilful.

I had said after that there are sins that are done in ignorance however I believe works of the flesh are willful. I am referring to works of the flesh. You are right - I should have "qualified it".

If I lie - I am activating my will to do so. If I slander someone - I am activating my will to do so. If I have an outburst of anger - it is by an act of my will. If I commit sexual sins - it is an act of my will. If I have malice towards someone in the body of Christ - I am wilfully doing that.

That was my main point - wilfully sinning as in the works of the flesh are evident and we all have areas that the Lord is working on to transform us as we rely on Him and His life in us.

Thank you for that Hosea 4 quote. I have often used that - "My people perish for lack of knowledge". I noticed that the Lord still called them His people.

Oh how imperative it is that we need to grow in the grace and the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Bro the issue with these folks doctrine is that thier type of Grace, discounts everything Jesus taught. the core of thier beliefs are articles like this one

Posted on January 14, 2012 by Paul Ellis in Jesus, law, new covenant, old covenant // 94 Comments
“Don’t stray too far from the red letters,” is a piece of advice often given to new preachers. It means, stay close to the teachings of Jesus and you can’t go wrong. It SOUNDS GOOD, but it’s actually BAD ADVICE. Everything Jesus said was good and wonderful, but not everything He said was meant for you. Read the red letters of your Bible and you will find both stories of unprecedented grace and merciless declarations of law. Mix these messages and you will end up confused and double-minded. The solution is not to balance law and grace – you can’t – but to filter everything you read through the finished work of the cross. To make sense of what Jesus said, you need to understand what Jesus did and why."

at least 2 of them have quoted this article. when any christian doctrine changes the trut doctrine Of Our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, they have no hope of ever knowing truth, the false doctrine omits it in thier thinking. i used to think some of them would see the scriptures and how clearly the false doctrines like this are 100 percent refuted but ive realized, it is the " special grace Lens" that skews thier view. i know that you know this tyope of swtuff already, just amazing How christians by the numbers are falling for everything Jesus said not to fall for. there are probably more than 50 warnings n.t. to guard against teachings that negate our actions. paul just like Jesus clearly taught the warnings, weve all read them over and over, those with the " Lens" of Jesus Christ cant ever go wrong, any other Lense is a modification of this

God said " if you eat the fruit of the Knowledge of evil, you will surely die"

the enemy " naw, you dont need to listen to HIM, you wont die, Look through my Lense ill lead you home"


That serpent is clever and he just doesnt look like a monster, he even quotes scriptures hell even be polite to deceive Gods people, heck he qupted scripture to Jesus in an attempt to deceive Him ( never had a chance, but He tried) its sad to me to see the deceptions that have rooted in the modern " church"

Thank God for you and the many others Like you that just will never look away from Jesus, that my brother will lead any of us Home. God bless and Keep and increase you in every way He is pleased to do so. Keep the faith man, the world is trying Hard

Amen brother, they go to great lengths to dismiss and reject the words of Jesus Christ. And thanks for bringing that article up because I was looking for a particular quote from that very article which proves their heresy. I am adding it to my heresy files on this false doctrine that Grace 777 and others promote on this forum.

Here is where Grace 777 posted that article---->>>http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/141764-not-law-but-kingdom.html

Keep up the good work and contend for the faith, because the enemy has come in like a flood trying to carry the saints away with his lies and false doctrine. Peace

 

[Grace777x70]

Originally Posted by InSpiritInTruth

Here is where Grace 777 posted that article---->>>Not the Law, but the Kingdom



This is the bad post that offends some people???...go figure...

I like this article....others don't have to...I won't add you to my heresy files because you don't...

Quote:

I believe that Jesus was the greatest Law preacher as well as the greatest grace teacher of the kingdom of God. Jesus gave what each type of person needed to bring them to Himself.

To the self-righteous Jesus "elevated" the Law to reveal that in fact no one could keep the Law the way that "it was intended". Jesus gave the self-righteous Moses 2.0 - the Law on steroids to reveal that they needed a savior.

To the ones that knew they needed a savior Jesus gave grace and the kingdom of God to them Jesus said that prostitutes and tax collectors ( thieves ) would enter the kingdom of God before the religious Pharisees and scribes ( those fluent in the Law ).

Here is a great article that illustrates this truth. I like to use this site sometimes because people can ask questions at the bottom and I learn from the questions being asked.

The Greatest Law Preacher

“Don’t stray too far from the red letters,” is a piece of advice often given to new preachers. It means, stay close to the teachings of Jesus and you can’t go wrong. It sounds good, but it’s actually bad advice. Everything Jesus said was good and wonderful, but not everything He said was meant for you.

Read the red letters of your Bible and you will find both stories of unprecedented grace and merciless declarations of law.

Mix these messages and you will end up confused and double-minded. The solution is not to balance law and grace – you can’t – but to filter everything you read through the finished work of the cross. To make sense of what Jesus said, you need to understand what Jesus did and why.


Jesus lived under law

Jesus lived at the crossroads of two covenants. As humanity’s representative He came to fulfill the old law-keeping covenant in order that we might relate to God through a new and better covenant forged in His blood. Since the new covenant could not begin before He died, Jesus lived all of His pre-cross life under the old covenant of the law:

But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons. (Gal 4:4-5)

Jesus was born under law, circumcised by law, and presented in the temple according to the law. Every Jewish person that Jesus met was also born under law. We need to keep this in mind when we read the red letters of Jesus.

What law did Jesus preach?

To those under the law, Jesus preached the pure and unadulterated Law of Moses. When religious people came to trap him with theological puzzles, Jesus would respond with, “What did Moses command you?” (Mk 10:3). If someone asked, “What is the greatest commandment in the law,” Jesus would provide an answer from the law (Mt 22:36). In His law-keeping ministry, Jesus honored the Law of Moses:

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. (Mt 23:2-3)

Since the law-teachers often made Jesus angry, we might conclude that Jesus was opposed to the law. He was not. Jesus had no problem with what the Pharisees were preaching. “Do everything they tell you.” What really burnt His toast was their hypocrisy – they weren’t practicing what they preached:

Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. (Joh 7:19)

Why did Jesus preach the law?

Like every grace preacher, Jesus esteemed the law and the purpose for which it was given. The law was given to silence every mouth and hold the whole world accountable (Rms 3:19). The purpose of the law is to make us conscious of sin and reveal our need for a Savior.

Since Sinai, the Jews had had fourteen centuries to learn what the law would teach them – that the flesh is incapable of dealing with sin. However, the law-teachers and Pharisees had ring-fenced the Law of Moses with their traditions and interpretations.

By honoring their traditions ahead of the law, they diluted the law and removed the key to knowledge. As a result, the menace of sin was not fully recognized and the self-righteous weren’t silenced.

If the law had been allowed to do its proper work, the Jews would have been primed and ready for a Savior. Every one of them would have had an experience like the one Paul describes in Romans 7. “Nothing good lives in me. Oh wretched man that I am!” Live under the condemning ministry of the law and you will inevitably come to this question: “Who will deliver me from this body of death?”

If the law-teachers and prophets had done their job, then the entire nation of Israel would have gathered outside that stable in Bethlehem in eager expectation. “He’s here! The Savior has come!” they would have said. “The One who will deliver us from the curse of the law and reconcile us to God has been born. Glory to God in the highest!”

Sadly, it didn’t happen. Since the law-teachers had been negligent, Jesus had to do their job before He could do His own. Before He could save the world from sin, He had to preach the law that made sin utterly sinful. Before He give Himself as the answer, He had to make sure we were asking the right question. Who will deliver us?

So Jesus became the greatest law preacher of all time. As the prophet Isaiah had foretold, He made the law magnificent. He lifted up what others had knocked down and raised the standard to glorious levels of perfection. Never again would mankind be without excuse. You want to know what God expects? Just read the Sermon on the Mount. In it Jesus says that God demands perfection and nothing less.

How did Jesus preach the law?

Preaching the red letters of Jesus is a bit like drinking whatever you find in the laundry. If you’re not paying attention – if you fail to distinguish His life-giving words of grace from His death-dealing words of law – then you could really do some damage. Don’t believe me? Then consider these red letters:

If you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Mat 6:14-15)

This is one of the most-quoted passages in the Bible and it is vintage law. It is a killer scripture. It is not good news. This verse should make us shudder for it says that our forgiveness hinges on our ability to forgive others and we are poor forgivers indeed. Men sin against us repeatedly.

Have we honestly forgiven them all? What if we miss one? And what do we say to those who have been raped and abused? What do you say to a young child who has been molested? “Sweetie, you need to forgive that evil man otherwise God won’t forgive you.” That’s not grace.

That’s the condemning ministry of the law in full bloom. How do you forgive the unforgiveable? You can’t! Then you’re in trouble. The law condemns you as an unforgiver. Now you’re beginning to recognize your need for grace and this is a good thing.

Any time you read a conditional statement from Jesus, you should interpret it as law. “Do not judge and you will not be judged” (Lk 6:37). That’s good advice but it’s also law. To avoid something (judgment) you have to do something (don’t judge). It’s a blessing you have to pay for. And anytime Jesus makes a threat, you should interpret that as law as well. “Anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment” (Mt 5:22). That’s bad news for anyone with a brother!

The law is not for you

Jesus came to reveal grace but those who are confident of their own righteousness are incapable of receiving it. They don’t see their need. What they need is the law and Jesus gave it to them in spades. But Jesus’ larger purpose was to give us His life and His righteousness.

So He also told stories about God justifying sinners and shepherds finding lost sheep. Then He went to the cross fulfilling the law on our behalf that He might be the end of the law for all who believe (Rom 10:4).

Jesus’ came to set the captives free and give sight to the blind. The law sets nobody free. But the law does reveal your need for a Great Deliverer.

https://escapetoreality.org/2012/01/...-law-preacher/

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and accidently fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10); Galatians 5:19-21 not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

I can't rep ya bro. But this deserves a rep. You nailed it. Amen and Amen.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Further more I do not speak heresies - if something doesn't agree with your interpretation - then it is a heresy to you.

..if I speak so many heresies than you must have all kinds of this proof.

Glad you asked, here is some proof.....

Originally Posted by Grace777x70
Theses sins are no different then one who is practicing homosexuality sins. You and all of us will be blessed to know that if you died tonight - the blood of our Lord Jesus would still be cleansing you of your sin and if you are in fact in Christ - you would be in His presence despite your wilful sinning.

This truth applies to all of us.”

Originally Posted by Grace777x70 New Covenant repentance is not something we conjure up on our own nor is it a work we produce. New Covenant preaching about the gospel of grace had NO words of telling people to repent. ….So, repentance does not mean "turn from sin '..it means change your mind and turn to God and believe in Jesus and what He has done.

Originally Posted by Grace777x70 “Paul told the Corinthians who they were in Christ ( they were complete in Him..they had His righteousness, holiness, redemption, wisdom..the mind of Christ .etc) before telling them what that life should look like outwardly....they were in divisions..comparing themselves with each other..having sex with prostitutes...with each other...They were still righteous while doing all these things.”

Originally Posted by Grace777x70“All Christians are still "in the Spirit" because we are in Christ..even when they walk "according to " or "by" the flesh.We always maintain our identity because it's not based on what we do but who we are in Christ.”

Originally Posted by Grace777x70 “The number one enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ is the so-called "Christian religion"....not the dreaded "sin" that everyone is afraid of..”

Originally Posted by Grace777x70 “God doesn't not recognize anything done by human effort..even if it is trying to do "good things"..like doing the will of God for our lives.”

Originally Posted by Grace777x70 “If you wear the lenses of performance-based Christianity, this could be a scary scripture, for it sounds like your salvation hinges on your behavior.”

Originally Posted by Grace777x70 “The idea that we have to examine ourselves for sin is thoroughly humanistic. They didn’t even do this under the old covenant.”

Originally Posted by Grace777x70 "The enemy's deepest deception is to get us "doing" the Christian life…”

Originally Posted by Grace777x70 "What is the law that God writes on our hearts and minds? Here are three things it is not:.....

• It is not a new and improved version of the law. It is not the new commands of Jesus or the New Testament. We cannot please God by keeping a new law any more than we could please him by keeping an old one.

Originally Posted by Grace777x70 “Preaching the red letters of Jesus is a bit like drinking whatever you find in the laundry. If you’re not paying attention – if you fail to distinguish His life-giving words of grace from His death-dealing words of law – then you could really do some damage. Don’t believe me? Then consider these red letters:

If you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Mat 6:14-15)

This is one of the most-quoted passages in the Bible and it is vintage law. It is a killer scripture. It is not good news. This verse should make us shudder for it says that our forgiveness hinges on our ability to forgive others and we are poor forgivers indeed.”

That is just some of the heresies that are being promoted on this forum.

 

[FreeNChrist]

That is just some of the heresies that are being promoted on this forum.

Heresy would be like denying that Jesus is God. Just sayin'

Heresy is not just anything you misunderstand and think you disagree with.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

we are not saints no one is

Just search the word saint and you will find out differently, here's one verse, but there are many....

Ephesians 5:3

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

 

[Grace777x70]

That is just some of the heresies that are being promoted on this forum.

And if you would quote all of those "in context" - you would find out what was really being said....of course you are free to disagree too...but just because you disagree doesn't make it a heresy......

Denying the finished work of Christ is heresy to me. As also is living by a D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness that some think is the way of the Christian life.

As we have received Christ - by grace through faith in Jesus only - that is how we are to walk in Him.

Colossians 2:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,

[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.