Without authentic Jews, Premillennialism doesn't have a view.
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Calling yourself a "Jew" doesn't mean anything anymore. There is no more sea. There is no more distinction.
Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Ephesians 2:14-18
Eph 2:14
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Ephesians 2:14-18
Eph 2:14
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
No ---that is not Why -------
You seem to post a lot of Scriptures ----but how well do you really know the Person God ---His Word and How He works ---- anyone can cut and paste scripture ---but have no understanding of the message the Scripture is really giving ------ posting reams and reams of Scripture to support one's cause is like cymbals banging together --it is just a bunch of unexplained noise ----that is fruitless to others ----
If you are really interested in the answer ----as to why God chose the Jewish Nation ------
I can help you ----let me know ----The last will be first and the first will be last ------says God ----
You seem to post a lot of Scriptures ----but how well do you really know the Person God ---His Word and How He works ---- anyone can cut and paste scripture ---but have no understanding of the message the Scripture is really giving ------ posting reams and reams of Scripture to support one's cause is like cymbals banging together --it is just a bunch of unexplained noise ----that is fruitless to others ----
If you are really interested in the answer ----as to why God chose the Jewish Nation ------
I can help you ----let me know ----The last will be first and the first will be last ------says God ----
No ------that is not what that means -----I just posted that to show you that knowing God and His word and how He works is important -----you can read that in Matthew 19:16-30 ----where Jesus is speaking to the Rich Young Man seeking to follow Jesus where He says the last will be first and the first will be last -
-----God doesn't work the way this world works -----
In this world to get ahead --you have to climb Up the ladder to advance -----
In God's Kingdom you have to climb down the ladder -to advance ----Jesus was King and climbed down from His Kingship to the bottom of the rung of the ladder to be one of us -------
Everything in God's Kingdom works the opposite to this world ----So for you to just paste reams and reams of scripture and say what your saying about the Jewish Nation is fruitless and baseless-----because you have no idea of just how God works nor are you seeking to know His plan for His unbelieving Jewish Nation that He Agape --Loves --dearly even as they have rejected him -----just like He agape all unbelievers who have rejected Him ------your basing your opinion on your reams of Copy and Paste Scriptures without any understanding of them -----
I was looking for you to answer my Question -----Why did God pick the Jewish Nation as His chosen -????--
Do you know why -???????----
-----God doesn't work the way this world works -----
In this world to get ahead --you have to climb Up the ladder to advance -----
In God's Kingdom you have to climb down the ladder -to advance ----Jesus was King and climbed down from His Kingship to the bottom of the rung of the ladder to be one of us -------
Everything in God's Kingdom works the opposite to this world ----So for you to just paste reams and reams of scripture and say what your saying about the Jewish Nation is fruitless and baseless-----because you have no idea of just how God works nor are you seeking to know His plan for His unbelieving Jewish Nation that He Agape --Loves --dearly even as they have rejected him -----just like He agape all unbelievers who have rejected Him ------your basing your opinion on your reams of Copy and Paste Scriptures without any understanding of them -----
I was looking for you to answer my Question -----Why did God pick the Jewish Nation as His chosen -????--
Do you know why -???????----
Did Judaism lose the claim to The Abrahamic Covenant after they couldn't claim Faith in The MESSIAH after His Advent? If so, why do we assume current day physical Israel has anything to do with GOD'S Promises?
JESUS said “Ye shall not see me henceforth,”, He didn’t say He was handing them physical land back. And they didn’t Call out to Him anyways.
Mat 23:38-39
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
JESUS said “Ye shall not see me henceforth,”, He didn’t say He was handing them physical land back. And they didn’t Call out to Him anyways.
Mat 21:43-45
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
If you think there is going to be a physical mark of the beast in the future, you might not be Consecrated because Premillennialism is Literalism ...and that means The HOLY SPIRIT isn't clueing you in. i assume you have something in your life preventing The SPIRIT (Presence) from being welcome in you.
i beg you to consider how ridiculous a thousand years after The Return would be with people fighting Physical GOD at the end of it. JESUS is already Reigning today. Understand that the antichrist has nothing to do with the completed 70 Weeks of Daniel.
i beg you to consider how ridiculous a thousand years after The Return would be with people fighting Physical GOD at the end of it. JESUS is already Reigning today. Understand that the antichrist has nothing to do with the completed 70 Weeks of Daniel.
You essentially need to destroy dual covenant theology, which is easy to do, to give dispensational premillennialists the best possible chance to begin seeing the Bible clearly. Of course, that is easier said than done and most of the people who remain at this message board aren't here to be persuaded, they're here to obstinately propagate their version of the Bible. On some level, that's good for business since message boards flourish with diversity of opinion, but on the other hand it is confusing for truth seekers. Effectually, these boards are like battlegrounds of ideologies.
OH REALLY ----having the Holy Spirit does not mean you do not sin ------so that tells me that you have no understanding of what being Born Again really means ------God does not charge sin to the account of the Born Again person but the born again person still sins ------so you are not sinless -----God in His Grace forgives your sin
1 John 1:8 ESV
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
So why did God choose the Jewish nation as His Chosen -------I guess you do not know Why as you have not answered the question ------
Well that says you don't know your Scripture very well -----as the Scripture tells you why God Chose the Jewish Nation -----
Like I said God doesn't work like this world ------the world would pick the Largest Group as their Chosen people ---
God chose the Smallest Group to be His Chosen Nation -------
Deuteronomy 7:7
Driving Out the Nations
6 For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
7 The Lord did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples.
8 But it was because the Lord loved you and kept the oath he swore to your ancestors that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
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Wikipedia,
Abraham[a] (originally Abram) is the common patriarch of the Abrahamic religions, including Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.[5]
In Judaism he is the founding father of the special relationship between the Jews and God;
1 John 1:8 ESV
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
So why did God choose the Jewish nation as His Chosen -------I guess you do not know Why as you have not answered the question ------
Well that says you don't know your Scripture very well -----as the Scripture tells you why God Chose the Jewish Nation -----
Like I said God doesn't work like this world ------the world would pick the Largest Group as their Chosen people ---
God chose the Smallest Group to be His Chosen Nation -------
Deuteronomy 7:7
Driving Out the Nations
6 For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
7 The Lord did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples.
8 But it was because the Lord loved you and kept the oath he swore to your ancestors that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
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Wikipedia,
Abraham[a] (originally Abram) is the common patriarch of the Abrahamic religions, including Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.[5]
In Judaism he is the founding father of the special relationship between the Jews and God;
It’s saying you can’t avoid SALVATION by thinking your are good enough without being Reborn.
You have excuses to continue physically sinning.
What do you think “be Holy for I am Holy” means?
Do you know what lukewarm means or the parable of The Ten Virgins?
to have your own plan for life (without GOD) is to use the tree of knowledge.
You made your own definition of sin to pretend that you are not doing it.
if you don't Believe The Truth ...guess what you are doing?
//so the mark of the beast is to follow satan's plan/lies which doesn't involve GOD ...only you.
You have excuses to continue physically sinning.
What do you think “be Holy for I am Holy” means?
Galatians 5:24-25
And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Does anyone get what it takes to actually hold The Reborn Image that SAVES? what do you think satan is tempting you with? How can JESUS Represent you on The Cross unless you have His Image (Blood)?Do you know what lukewarm means or the parable of The Ten Virgins?
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
1 John 3:8–9 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."Everybody who does not abide in Jesus sins. Those who abide in Jesus cannot sin because the seed of God is within them.
However sin still dwells within them; they just don’t act on it, because they have born anew into the kingdom of God, and now walk by the Spirit and not by the flesh."
1 John 1:6-8 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
JESUS said to go and sin no more. To actually Believe in JESUS is to change your perception of reality to form to GOD'S Image. Do you want GOD to Know you at Judgment or not? You have to actively hate sin if you expect to be considered REBORN. Give up the animal side. Develop self control through Faith. Accept GOD'S Love that forms you to His inseparable Image. Make that Love Two-Way.1 John 2:15–17
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
it takes more than saying a sinners prayer to uphold the Reborn Holy Image. You can’t walk in The Spirit unless you get rid of physical sins in your life. To plan to physically sin in the future is to have a plan that isn’t from GOD.to have your own plan for life (without GOD) is to use the tree of knowledge.
You made your own definition of sin to pretend that you are not doing it.
if you don't Believe The Truth ...guess what you are doing?
Philippians 3:14
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
//missing the mark (sin) is missing the high calling of GOD'S Plan (The Truth).//so the mark of the beast is to follow satan's plan/lies which doesn't involve GOD ...only you.
It doesn't prove your wrong ---it proves you don't know Scripture or God very well or how He works ---you never answered my question because you you couldn't ------you didn't know where to find the answer -----what it does prove is the Abraham is the father of the Jews and God's Covenant with Abraham is still playing out ----so the Jews are included in the future plan -------
And your reams and reams of Scripture you posted above mean nothing without Wisdom and Understanding -----which you don't display ----all you do is Cut and Paste reams and reams ---fruitless --
Proverbs 4:7 AMP
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“The beginning of wisdom is: Get [skillful and godly] wisdom [it is preeminent]!
And with all your acquiring, get understanding [actively seek spiritual discernment, mature comprehension, and logical interpretation].
I say --------You should really pay attention to this scripture and put it to practice -----so you can really teach something instead of just posting Scripture to try and suit your own agenda which is not teaching anything -----just reams of Scripture -----
If there isn't a distinction between Jew or Gentile anymore ...why do you think there suddenly will be one in the future?
Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I say ----------The statement you have in big bold -above here ----shows your ignorance in your understanding of the truth of Scripture ------
I say ---the scripture you quote here -----clearly gives you the true understanding of your bold big print --but you fail to see the truth in what it is saying --------for you are all ONE-------IN ----------Christ Jesus ---Born Again only----IN ____CHRIST
Here again you are Taking a piece of Scripture and twisting it to make it say what you want it to say -----it clearly says ------you are all one in Christ Jesus ------you have to receive Jesus and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to be considered ONE UNDER CHRIST JESUS ______
ALL SINNERS ARE AWAY FROM GOD ---THEY ARE NOT ONE UNDER CHRIST JESUS --THEY ARE OF THE WORLD ------
A LOT OF JEWS have not Received Jesus in their Hearts ---and NEITHER HAVE MANY GENTILES ------these people are still under the CURSE OF THE LAW ------
THE LAW is NO MORE FOR BORN AGAIN PEOPLE ONLY ______The JEWS AND MANY GENTILES ARE STILL AWAY FROM GOD ___AND THEY REMAIN UNDER THE LAWS ___that is what the Scripture SAYS ------
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! Timothy 1:9 -----This is the New Testament Scripture ----and still applies today -------it clearly states that the law is not applied to the righteous ----NOTE HERE FOLKS __________but it still applies to the unbelieving ----------
! Timothy 1:9
AMP
understanding the fact that law is not enacted for the righteous person [the one in right standing with God],
but for lawless and rebellious people, for the ungodly and sinful, for the irreverent and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
I say
The Jews have been punished by God for their rejection of Him and Scripture tells us -----God scattered them over the earth and they were no longer in God's good Graces ------
They Believe that Abraham was the Founder of their Religion Judaism---- see below ----and they hold both Abraham and Moses to the highest standard still today ---they are very diligent in trying to keep the laws of Moses today ---and of course cannot as no man has ever keep the laws except ONE MAN __JESUS _---
THE GENTILES were never under the laws ------the laws were given to the Jews only ------the Gentiles were doomed to Hell -with no recourse -----untill---------- they were grafted into the Sheep fold of the Jews -------so we who are Gentiles should be very greatful that because of the Jews were were given a chance to be SAVED ----
You would do well to read the article here -----The Jews also take Scripture and twist it to suit their need and that is a DANGEROUS PRACTICE for ANYONE -------
https://www.history.com/topics/religion/judaism
Founder of Judaism
The origins of Jewish faith are explained throughout the Torah. According to the text, God first revealed himself to a Hebrew man named Abraham, who became known as the founder of Judaism.
I say -----------The Jews still hold Abraham and Moses to the highest esteem today ------
All Jews and all Gentiles who have not received Jesus in their hearts ---will be going through the tribulation -----and if you read Revelation 7 it says what God does with His first Chosen Nation ----
To GOD FOLKS___HIS FIRST CHOSEN NATION IS VERY MUCH ALIVE AND HE SHOWS HIS LOVE ___GRACE __AND MERCY --TO HIS CHOSEN WHO GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION -------
So TO ALL HUMANS WHO THINK THAT THE JEWS ARE NO LONGER ------you can think that all you want to ---but your view is just that -----YOUR HUMAN VIEW -----YOU ARE NOT GOD WHO iS THE ONLY ONE WHO"S VIEW IS VALID -------
Satan is a MASTER OF DISTORTION WHEN IT COMES TO SCRIPTURE _______AND MANY ARE DUPED BY him ---
PLEASE NOTE FOLKS : ----
SCRIPTURE is NOT about Right or Wrong -----It is all about BELIEF ___TRUST AND UNDERSTANDING _____
People who want to be right are people who are not interested in the truth presented in the Scripture -----they just want to be right using Scripture to try and prove their rightness with no understanding or wisdom involved ---
Proverbs 4:7 ----Wisdom is the principle thing ---so in all your getting GET UNDERSTANDING -------
I say ---the scripture you quote here -----clearly gives you the true understanding of your bold big print --but you fail to see the truth in what it is saying --------for you are all ONE-------IN ----------Christ Jesus ---Born Again only----IN ____CHRIST
Here again you are Taking a piece of Scripture and twisting it to make it say what you want it to say -----it clearly says ------you are all one in Christ Jesus ------you have to receive Jesus and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to be considered ONE UNDER CHRIST JESUS ______
ALL SINNERS ARE AWAY FROM GOD ---THEY ARE NOT ONE UNDER CHRIST JESUS --THEY ARE OF THE WORLD ------
A LOT OF JEWS have not Received Jesus in their Hearts ---and NEITHER HAVE MANY GENTILES ------these people are still under the CURSE OF THE LAW ------
THE LAW is NO MORE FOR BORN AGAIN PEOPLE ONLY ______The JEWS AND MANY GENTILES ARE STILL AWAY FROM GOD ___AND THEY REMAIN UNDER THE LAWS ___that is what the Scripture SAYS ------
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! Timothy 1:9 -----This is the New Testament Scripture ----and still applies today -------it clearly states that the law is not applied to the righteous ----NOTE HERE FOLKS __________but it still applies to the unbelieving ----------
! Timothy 1:9
AMP
understanding the fact that law is not enacted for the righteous person [the one in right standing with God],
but for lawless and rebellious people, for the ungodly and sinful, for the irreverent and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
I say
The Jews have been punished by God for their rejection of Him and Scripture tells us -----God scattered them over the earth and they were no longer in God's good Graces ------
They Believe that Abraham was the Founder of their Religion Judaism---- see below ----and they hold both Abraham and Moses to the highest standard still today ---they are very diligent in trying to keep the laws of Moses today ---and of course cannot as no man has ever keep the laws except ONE MAN __JESUS _---
THE GENTILES were never under the laws ------the laws were given to the Jews only ------the Gentiles were doomed to Hell -with no recourse -----untill---------- they were grafted into the Sheep fold of the Jews -------so we who are Gentiles should be very greatful that because of the Jews were were given a chance to be SAVED ----
You would do well to read the article here -----The Jews also take Scripture and twist it to suit their need and that is a DANGEROUS PRACTICE for ANYONE -------
https://www.history.com/topics/religion/judaism
Founder of Judaism
The origins of Jewish faith are explained throughout the Torah. According to the text, God first revealed himself to a Hebrew man named Abraham, who became known as the founder of Judaism.
I say -----------The Jews still hold Abraham and Moses to the highest esteem today ------
All Jews and all Gentiles who have not received Jesus in their hearts ---will be going through the tribulation -----and if you read Revelation 7 it says what God does with His first Chosen Nation ----
To GOD FOLKS___HIS FIRST CHOSEN NATION IS VERY MUCH ALIVE AND HE SHOWS HIS LOVE ___GRACE __AND MERCY --TO HIS CHOSEN WHO GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION -------
So TO ALL HUMANS WHO THINK THAT THE JEWS ARE NO LONGER ------you can think that all you want to ---but your view is just that -----YOUR HUMAN VIEW -----YOU ARE NOT GOD WHO iS THE ONLY ONE WHO"S VIEW IS VALID -------
Satan is a MASTER OF DISTORTION WHEN IT COMES TO SCRIPTURE _______AND MANY ARE DUPED BY him ---
PLEASE NOTE FOLKS : ----
SCRIPTURE is NOT about Right or Wrong -----It is all about BELIEF ___TRUST AND UNDERSTANDING _____
People who want to be right are people who are not interested in the truth presented in the Scripture -----they just want to be right using Scripture to try and prove their rightness with no understanding or wisdom involved ---
Proverbs 4:7 ----Wisdom is the principle thing ---so in all your getting GET UNDERSTANDING -------
How are these people Blessed without a High Priest or Atonement?
There isn't a classification for "Jew" anymore.
There are unsaved historians that call themselves "Jews". Do you really think they have anything to do with eschatology? Making your own definition of what a Jew is ...is what eating from the tree of knowledge is about. it's called the synagogue of satan for a reason.
Rev 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
There isn't a classification for "Jew" anymore.
There are unsaved historians that call themselves "Jews". Do you really think they have anything to do with eschatology? Making your own definition of what a Jew is ...is what eating from the tree of knowledge is about. it's called the synagogue of satan for a reason.
Rev 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
The thing is, the Israelis/jews don't have to be blessed, or chosen, or Gods covenant people, or even have a functioning nation-state for premillenialism to work. So, I think you are much better off explaining why amillenialism is right than trying to prove premillenialism wrong, because as it stands, you're not very persuasive.