Without authentic Jews, Premillennialism doesn't have a view.

pittsburghjoe · Feb 11, 2022

You somehow don't know that Abrahamic is Blessed ...so uhh, how do you deal with that?

SomeDisciple · Feb 11, 2022

I do know that Abraham is blessed. I dont see what that has to do with my post, though.
The current israelis have obviously been brought into the land for some reason. Personally I dont qualify myself to say wh does or doesn't belong there.
With respect to the old covenant, I definitely agree that's been fulfilled and is not the way to approach God, and I think most premil people agree with that too- "dual covenant theology" isn't a necessary part of premillenialism (or really even a part of it at all) is what I was getting at.

pittsburghjoe · Feb 11, 2022

SomeDisciple said:

I do know that Abraham is blessed. I dont see what that has to do with my post, though.
The current israelis have obviously been brought into the land for some reason. Personally I dont qualify myself to say wh does or doesn't belong there.
With respect to the old covenant, I definitely agree that's been fulfilled and is not the way to approach God, and I think most premil people agree with that too- "dual covenant theology" isn't a necessary part of premillenialism (or really even a part of it at all) is what I was getting at.

Everyone that has Faith like Abraham is Blessed ...deal with what that means for modern day "Jews".

studentoftheword · Feb 11, 2022

pittsburghjoe said:

I say ----
You can believe that if you want to ------but that is not the Truth ------- -----

-The New Jerusalem is the New Earth which is filled with God's Glory ----and that is in the future -----that Prophecy has not been fulfilled Yet ----------Jesus has not defeated Satan and sent him to the lake of Fire yet -------
Revelation 21 -----The New Jerusalem, the Bride of the Lamb

I say -----
The New Jerusalem doesn't enter until after the 7 year Tribulation -----and Jesus Separates the Sheep from the Goats and sends the Goats to Hell ------then the New Jerusalem is brought down from heaven to replace this Old Earth -------

Again no understanding voiced here----it is a city ---and is described in detail in Revelation 21

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Don Stewart :: What Is the New Jerusalem?

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_154.cfm

After God remakes the heavens and the earth, the Bible speaks of a city called the "new Jerusalem" coming down out of heaven. It will be an actual material city with spiritual significance.

New Jerusalem

The future home of believers is called the new Jerusalem.

And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband (Revelation 21:2).

The city comes down out of heaven, uniting both heaven and earth. It is where believers will forever live with God.

Large Size

According to the biblical description, the city is approximately 1,500 miles by 1,500 miles by 1,500 miles.

The city lies foursquare, its length the same as its width; and he measured the city with his rod, fifteen hundred miles; its length and width and height are equal (Revelation 21:16).

High Walls

The city will have high walls.

He also measured its wall, one hundred forty-four cubits by human measurement, which the angel was using. The wall is built of jasper, while the city is pure gold, clear as glass (Revelation 21:17,18).

Golden City

The heavenly streets of gold will be in this future city, yet to appear.

And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass (Revelation 21:18).

Tree Of Life In City

In the midst of this city is the tree of life, as well as a river.

And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and the Lamb. In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations (Revelation 22:1,2).

No Temple

There is no temple in the new Jerusalem.

I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple (Revelation 21:22).

No Sun Or Moon

There is no sun or moon the new Jerusalem.

The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it (Revelation 21:23,24).

This will fulfill a prophecy given by the prophet Isaiah.

The sun shall no longer be your light by day, nor for brightness shall the moon give light to you by night; but the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your God will be your glory (Isaiah 60:19).

Summary

After God makes a new heaven and new earth, then the city of the new Jerusalem will come down from heaven. Its glorious description is given to us in Scripture. Although it will be a city of incomparable beauty, the greatest thing about it is that the Lord will dwell there with His people.

The New Jerusalem comes down From the New Heaven --There is a new heaven and a New earth

JTB · Feb 11, 2022

pittsburghjoe said:

Not to derail or open a whole 'nother can o' worms, but the body of Christ is NOT His bride.

JTB · Feb 11, 2022

studentoftheword said:

I say ----
You can believe that if you want to ------but that is not the Truth ------- -----

-The New Jerusalem is the New Earth which is filled with God's Glory ----and that is in the future -----that Prophecy has not been fulfilled Yet ----------Jesus has not defeated Satan and sent him to the lake of Fire yet -------
Revelation 21 -----The New Jerusalem, the Bride of the Lamb

I say -----
The New Jerusalem doesn't enter until after the 7 year Tribulation -----and Jesus Separates the Sheep from the Goats and sends the Goats to Hell ------then the New Jerusalem is brought down from heaven to replace this Old Earth -------

Again no understanding voiced here----it is a city ---and is described in detail in Revelation 21

-
Don Stewart :: What Is the New Jerusalem?

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_154.cfm

After God remakes the heavens and the earth, the Bible speaks of a city called the "new Jerusalem" coming down out of heaven. It will be an actual material city with spiritual significance.

New Jerusalem

The future home of believers is called the new Jerusalem.

And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband (Revelation 21:2).

The city comes down out of heaven, uniting both heaven and earth. It is where believers will forever live with God.

Large Size

According to the biblical description, the city is approximately 1,500 miles by 1,500 miles by 1,500 miles.

The city lies foursquare, its length the same as its width; and he measured the city with his rod, fifteen hundred miles; its length and width and height are equal (Revelation 21:16).

High Walls

The city will have high walls.

He also measured its wall, one hundred forty-four cubits by human measurement, which the angel was using. The wall is built of jasper, while the city is pure gold, clear as glass (Revelation 21:17,18).

Golden City

The heavenly streets of gold will be in this future city, yet to appear.

And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass (Revelation 21:18).

Tree Of Life In City

In the midst of this city is the tree of life, as well as a river.

And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and the Lamb. In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations (Revelation 22:1,2).

No Temple

There is no temple in the new Jerusalem.

I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple (Revelation 21:22).

No Sun Or Moon

There is no sun or moon the new Jerusalem.

The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it (Revelation 21:23,24).

This will fulfill a prophecy given by the prophet Isaiah.

The sun shall no longer be your light by day, nor for brightness shall the moon give light to you by night; but the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your God will be your glory (Isaiah 60:19).

Summary

After God makes a new heaven and new earth, then the city of the new Jerusalem will come down from heaven. Its glorious description is given to us in Scripture. Although it will be a city of incomparable beauty, the greatest thing about it is that the Lord will dwell there with His people.

The New Jerusalem comes down From the New Heaven --There is a new heaven and a New earth

Nor do all believers inhabit New Jerusalem

CS1 · Feb 11, 2022

JTB said:

the "Body of Christ" and the "Bride of Christ" describe two different applications of the same thing, just like saved & born-again speak of Christian believers.

The bride is the Blood bought Christian collectively where ever they are. The body of Christ is the church in action doing the work of Christ.

JTB · Feb 11, 2022

I'll refer you to this so as to not derail the thread

JTB · Feb 11, 2022

Oh is that tit-for-tat on the red x's?

studentoftheword · Feb 11, 2022

JTB said:

I say ----Well I just read your THIS section -----and i see where you get this statement from ---which is your own thinking----I believe -----but again ----I think your adding your own words to what John saw -----you make all kinds statements but never give a Scripture to back up what you say here -----

So lets see the Scripture where it says that believers are on the outside of the New Jerusalem claiming that not all believers inhabit the New Jerusalem

This is the Scripture where John sees the New Jerusalem and there is nothing about believers being on the outside -----

Revelation 21 ABCE

21 Then I saw a new [a]sky (heaven) and a new earth, for the former [b]sky and the former earth had passed away (vanished), and there no longer existed any sea.
2 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, all arrayed like a bride beautified and adorned for her husband;
3 Then I heard a mighty voice from the throne and I perceived its distinct words, saying, See! The abode of God is with men, and He will live (encamp, tent) among them; and they shall be His people, and God shall personally be with them and be their God.
4 God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more, neither shall there be anguish (sorrow and mourning) nor grief nor pain any more, for the old conditions and the former order of things have passed away.
5 And He Who is seated on the throne said, See! I make all things new. Also He said, Record this, for these sayings are faithful (accurate, incorruptible, and trustworthy) and true (genuine).
6 And He [further] said to me, It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I [Myself] will give water without price from the fountain (springs) of the water of Life.
7 He who is victorious shall inherit all these things, and I will be God to him and he shall be My son.
8 But as for the cowards and the ignoble and the contemptible and the cravenly lacking in courage and the cowardly submissive, and as for the unbelieving and faithless, and as for the depraved and defiled with abominations, and as for murderers and the lewd and adulterous and the practicers of magic arts and the idolaters (those who give supreme devotion to anyone or anything other than God) and all liars (those who knowingly convey untruth by word or deed)—[all of these shall have] their part in the lake that blazes with fire and brimstone. This is the second death.

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I say
And by the way --on your THIS Sight you say that the Bride of Christ is the New Jerusalem -----I see that you and pittsburghjoe think alike -----you read the Scripture and assume what it says ------

I think you both are using Revelation 21:2 as your source -----as it says this -----

2 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, all arrayed like a bride beautified and adorned for her husband;

I say -----But what it is saying is ---new Jerusalem, is Like A bride ---it not saying it is the Bride ------

I say -----The Bride of Christ is the Believing Church ----Christ is the Bridegroom of the believing Church --

This below agrees ----

What does it mean that the church is the bride of Christ?
https://www.gotquestions.org/bride-of-Christ.htmlThe imagery and symbolism of marriage is applied to

Christ and the body of believers known as the church. The church is comprised of those who have trusted in Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and have received eternal life.

Christ, the Bridegroom, has sacrificially and lovingly chosen the church to be His bride (Ephesians 5:25–27).

Just as there was a betrothal period in biblical times during which the bride and groom were separated until the wedding, so is the bride of Christ separate from her Bridegroom during the church age. Her responsibility during the betrothal period is to be faithful to Him (2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:24). At the rapture, the church will be united with the Bridegroom and the official “wedding ceremony” will take place and, with it, the eternal union of Christ and His bride will be actualized (Revelation 19:7–9; 21:1-2).

JTB · Feb 11, 2022

studentoftheword said:

I say ----Well I just read your THIS section -----and i see where you get this statement from ---which is your own thinking----I believe -----but again ----I think your adding your own words to what John saw -----you make all kinds statements but never give a Scripture to back up what you say here -----

So lets see the Scripture where it says that believers are on the outside of the New Jerusalem claiming that not all believers inhabit the New Jerusalem

This is the Scripture where John sees the New Jerusalem and there is nothing about believers being on the outside -----

Revelation 21 ABCE

21 Then I saw a new [a]sky (heaven) and a new earth, for the former [b]sky and the former earth had passed away (vanished), and there no longer existed any sea.
2 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, all arrayed like a bride beautified and adorned for her husband;
3 Then I heard a mighty voice from the throne and I perceived its distinct words, saying, See! The abode of God is with men, and He will live (encamp, tent) among them; and they shall be His people, and God shall personally be with them and be their God.
4 God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more, neither shall there be anguish (sorrow and mourning) nor grief nor pain any more, for the old conditions and the former order of things have passed away.
5 And He Who is seated on the throne said, See! I make all things new. Also He said, Record this, for these sayings are faithful (accurate, incorruptible, and trustworthy) and true (genuine).
6 And He [further] said to me, It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I [Myself] will give water without price from the fountain (springs) of the water of Life.
7 He who is victorious shall inherit all these things, and I will be God to him and he shall be My son.
8 But as for the cowards and the ignoble and the contemptible and the cravenly lacking in courage and the cowardly submissive, and as for the unbelieving and faithless, and as for the depraved and defiled with abominations, and as for murderers and the lewd and adulterous and the practicers of magic arts and the idolaters (those who give supreme devotion to anyone or anything other than God) and all liars (those who knowingly convey untruth by word or deed)—[all of these shall have] their part in the lake that blazes with fire and brimstone. This is the second death.

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I say
And by the way --on your THIS Sight you say that the Bride of Christ is the New Jerusalem -----I see that you and pittsburghjoe think alike -----you read the Scripture and assume what it says ------

I think you both are using Revelation 21:2 as your source -----as it says this -----

2 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, all arrayed like a bride beautified and adorned for her husband;

I say -----But what it is saying is ---new Jerusalem, is Like A bride ---it not saying it is the Bride ------

I say -----The Bride of Christ is the Believing Church ----Christ is the Bridegroom of the believing Church --

This below agrees ----

What does it mean that the church is the bride of Christ?
https://www.gotquestions.org/bride-of-Christ.htmlThe imagery and symbolism of marriage is applied to

Christ and the body of believers known as the church. The church is comprised of those who have trusted in Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and have received eternal life.

Christ, the Bridegroom, has sacrificially and lovingly chosen the church to be His bride (Ephesians 5:25–27).

Just as there was a betrothal period in biblical times during which the bride and groom were separated until the wedding, so is the bride of Christ separate from her Bridegroom during the church age. Her responsibility during the betrothal period is to be faithful to Him (2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:24). At the rapture, the church will be united with the Bridegroom and the official “wedding ceremony” will take place and, with it, the eternal union of Christ and His bride will be actualized (Revelation 19:7–9; 21:1-2).

Ok, there's the Great White Throne judgment, this present earth and heavens are decreated, the lake of fire is first seen (got another theory on that as well), and those who basically died in unforgiven sin are cast into the lake.

Then we see a new earth created. With those dead in sin in the lake, is it not a safe assumption that the only people who inhabit this new earth/Jerusalem are saved?

studentoftheword · Feb 11, 2022

JTB said:

Try this ----

https://www.gotquestions.org/bride-of-Christ.html

JTB said:

We shouldn't go on assumptions -------we should go on truth -----which is what God says in His word ----and He says nothing about saved people living on the outside of the New Jerusalem ------

You really need to read Revelations and understand it ------this earth as it is now is destroyed ---and all unbelievers who actually make it through the tribulation without being killed or just die on their own will be separated by Jesus Himself on His second Coming from the saved people who have come through the tribulation and accepted Jesus in their hearts during the Tribulation -------

the unsaved are sent to hell and the saved stay with Jesus and live in the city of the New Jerusalem ----that is all in Scripture -----in Revelations ----

JTB · Feb 11, 2022

studentoftheword said:

I have read Revelations, studied it deeply. I know what's in it.

Such as Rev21: 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.

Then in Rev 22: there's this:

1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

So clearly, on the new earth, outside of New Jerusalem, there are nations of people.

And if, as you say, the unsaved are sent to hell and only the saved inherit the new earth, then these nations full of people who exist outside New Jerusalem are all saved as well.

Rhomphaeam · Feb 11, 2022

@pittsburghjoe

Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” So Peter seeing him said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?” Jesus said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!” John 21:20-22

So seeing as this passage is the Lord speaking to Peter about John the Apostle (and not Judas) what is your view of what the Lord said, brother. I did respond earlier but you appear to have overlooked what was said.

How can you reconcile the Lord telling Peter that John would remain until the Lord had come?

You see, brother, I chose to ask you this question first and cited the other two Scriptures previously, which you then posted in full yourself, for a reason. That was to open up a prophetic reality of Scripture that exceeds the boundary of time - and yet is grounded in time and carries to all thresholds of time. Until a prophecy is fully complete it remains. The entirety of the Word is in that character.

So I have simply asked inferentially when did this prophecy which the Lord spoke to Peter about John have its moment of coming into sight. I asked previously was it 70AD? That should give you a basis for answering the question or at least sensing what I would like to share about the kingdom of heaven and in your emphasis that would mean the New Jerusalem. God Bless.

pittsburghjoe · Feb 11, 2022

Rhomphaeam said:

@pittsburghjoe

Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” So Peter seeing him said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?” Jesus said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!” John 21:20-22

So seeing as this passage is the Lord speaking to Peter about John the Apostle (and not Judas) what is your view of what the Lord said, brother. I did respond earlier but you appear to have overlooked what was said.

How can you reconcile the Lord telling Peter that John would remain until the Lord had come?

You see, brother, I chose to ask you this question first and cited the other two Scriptures previously, which you then posted in full yourself, for a reason. That was to open up a prophetic reality of Scripture that exceeds the boundary of time - and yet is grounded in time and carries to all thresholds of time. Until a prophecy is fully complete it remains. The entirety of the Word is in that character.

So I have simply asked inferentially when did this prophecy which the Lord spoke to Peter about John have its moment of coming into sight. I asked previously was it 70AD? That should give you a basis for answering the question or at least sensing what I would like to share about the kingdom of heaven and in your emphasis that would mean the New Jerusalem. God Bless.

Why would someone betraying JESUS have anything to do with His Coming?

Rhomphaeam · Feb 11, 2022

pittsburghjoe said:

Brother, I asked about the verse I quoted and it was yourself who told me that Jesus was speaking to Peter about Judas.

If you can't hold to your own words and then respond to mine meaningfully then of course that is just fine. I have spent little time in asking you. I was sincerely desirous to share with you a way of thinking that the Lord could confirm in your own spirit. I wasn't and am not interested in being your teacher. Please reread my original post and then your own responses to myself to make sense of what has been said already. Thank you.

Jesus was speaking to Peter ABOUT the aspotle John - so what does that mean. Please try to focus. I am not being harsh.

studentoftheword · Feb 12, 2022

JTB said:

I say ----I think if you do your research you will find the gates are never shut as there is no evil present that warrants them to be shut -----because all who inhabit the City walk In the Light as the Saved people are allowed to leave and roam on the outside ---and allowed to return as they please ---God holds no one in captivity -----No saved people live on the outside of the City -------the Saved are free to roam in and out of the New Jerusalem as they please ------

What your proposing is that God is not allowing some saved people in the City ---which makes no sense ---All saved are living with God in the city -------and are allowed to roam outside as they please -----that is what makes sense -----and verse 24 -25-in Revelation 21 which you have posted --really is telling you that -----

this is commentary on this ----

Bridgeway Bible Commentary

Life in the holy city (21:22-22:5)

No temple is needed in the city, because God is everywhere. Lights, whether natural or artificial, are unnecessary, because God’s glory fills every place

22-23). Other cities close their gates at night to prevent possible enemy attacks, but this city never closes its gates, because there is no night and no enemy.

People of all nations inhabit the city, adding colour and splendour, yet there is complete purity, because sin is excluded (24-27).

What does Revelation 21:25 mean?
The gates of New Jerusalem will never be shut to those who qualify by faith in Christ to enter the city.

In ancient times cities closed their gates at night to keep out hostile forces, but no hostile forces exist to threaten New Jerusalem. All kinds of evil occurred under the cloak of darkness in ancient times, as well as today, and hostile forces usually chose nighttime to invade an ancient city, but night does not exist inside New Jerusalem. The city's all-pervasive light emanates from the glory of God and the Lamb.
The perpetually open gates are a clear reminder that Jesus is the Door to heaven

I say ---your are entitled to believe as you like ----that is your right ----we see things different on this is all -----

pittsburghjoe · Feb 12, 2022

studentoftheword said:

I say ----I think if you do your research you will find the gates are never shut as there is no evil present that warrants them to be shut -----because all who inhabit the City walk In the Light as the Saved people are allowed to leave and roam on the outside ---and allowed to return as they please ---God holds no one in captivity -----No saved people live on the outside of the City -------the Saved are free to roam in and out of the New Jerusalem as they please ------

What your proposing is that God is not allowing some saved people in the City ---which makes no sense ---All saved are living with God in the city -------and are allowed to roam outside as they please -----that is what makes sense -----and verse 24 -25-in Revelation 21 which you have posted --really is telling you that -----

this is commentary on this ----

Bridgeway Bible Commentary

Life in the holy city (21:22-22:5)

No temple is needed in the city, because God is everywhere. Lights, whether natural or artificial, are unnecessary, because God’s glory fills every place

22-23). Other cities close their gates at night to prevent possible enemy attacks, but this city never closes its gates, because there is no night and no enemy.

People of all nations inhabit the city, adding colour and splendour, yet there is complete purity, because sin is excluded (24-27).

What does Revelation 21:25 mean?
The gates of New Jerusalem will never be shut to those who qualify by faith in Christ to enter the city.

In ancient times cities closed their gates at night to keep out hostile forces, but no hostile forces exist to threaten New Jerusalem. All kinds of evil occurred under the cloak of darkness in ancient times, as well as today, and hostile forces usually chose nighttime to invade an ancient city, but night does not exist inside New Jerusalem. The city's all-pervasive light emanates from the glory of God and the Lamb.
The perpetually open gates are a clear reminder that Jesus is the Door to heaven

I say ---your are entitled to believe as you like ----that is your right ----we see things different on this is all -----

So ...are you saying hell will be right outside? Do you get how this doesn't' make any sense at all?

JTB · Feb 12, 2022

studentoftheword said:

I say ----I think if you do your research you will find the gates are never shut as there is no evil present that warrants them to be shut -----because all who inhabit the City walk In the Light as the Saved people are allowed to leave and roam on the outside ---and allowed to return as they please ---God holds no one in captivity -----No saved people live on the outside of the City -------the Saved are free to roam in and out of the New Jerusalem as they please ------

What your proposing is that God is not allowing some saved people in the City ---which makes no sense ---All saved are living with God in the city -------and are allowed to roam outside as they please -----that is what makes sense -----and verse 24 -25-in Revelation 21 which you have posted --really is telling you that -----

this is commentary on this ----

Bridgeway Bible Commentary

Life in the holy city (21:22-22:5)

No temple is needed in the city, because God is everywhere. Lights, whether natural or artificial, are unnecessary, because God’s glory fills every place

22-23). Other cities close their gates at night to prevent possible enemy attacks, but this city never closes its gates, because there is no night and no enemy.

People of all nations inhabit the city, adding colour and splendour, yet there is complete purity, because sin is excluded (24-27).

What does Revelation 21:25 mean?
The gates of New Jerusalem will never be shut to those who qualify by faith in Christ to enter the city.

In ancient times cities closed their gates at night to keep out hostile forces, but no hostile forces exist to threaten New Jerusalem. All kinds of evil occurred under the cloak of darkness in ancient times, as well as today, and hostile forces usually chose nighttime to invade an ancient city, but night does not exist inside New Jerusalem. The city's all-pervasive light emanates from the glory of God and the Lamb.
The perpetually open gates are a clear reminder that Jesus is the Door to heaven

I say ---your are entitled to believe as you like ----that is your right ----we see things different on this is all -----

Ok, if you're not going to read my post (much less Revelation) I'm just going to say God bless you and see you on the other side!

This is the wrong thread for this anyway

Moses_Young · Feb 13, 2022

pittsburghjoe said:

Spot the gap in this scripture.

Isaiah 61:1-2
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Without authentic Jews, Premillennialism doesn't have a view.

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