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know1

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One of your problems is, you can not read comments with understanding............We have been discussing the good works Christ does through us..........the world sees them as our good works, but we know who deserves the credit, and who deserves the praise, and that ain't us............ And when you toot your own horn, you are seeking the praise of the world.......and Christ said you have received your reward................so don't expect for Him to give you an ATTABOY later on
I have yet to allow anyone give me praise for anything that God did through me, much less look at me as though I did it with my own power.
And how could they look at me, when I point out the promises of God that I used to get the answered prayer, healing, or Deliverance.
I tell others what I have told you. God is no respecter of persons, If He Did It For Me, he will do it for you also, through his word/promises.
Can you give me an actual personal example of what you are talking about, where somebody would glorify you for something God did?
Just one example where you would be blowing your own horn.
Not for Glory sake but for the sake of argument.
 

know1

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as for the other comment..........Paul is speaking of the weakness of the flesh, the carnal man, sin nature, not an evil spirit abiding within him...........How in the world can anyone believe that God/Holy Spirit would abide side by side with an evil spirit?

goodness................please tell my you are not teaching this stuff to children or newly saved believers.
What do you think is the source of that carnal man and sin nature of man?
Why do you think the Bible calls that Spirit, a man?
Old, new, or hidden man?
You disagree with what I wrote even though I used scripture to back up what I said, do you have any Scripture to back up anything of what you just said where God will not abide or reside side by side with an evil spirit?
I ask because I have heard that from others, but no one has yet to give me any Scripture to back it up with, and neither can I find any.
When God was with Israel in the Old Testament times, didn't he separate himself from them through the Ark of the Covenant and through the holy of holies in the temple?
The new spirit that God put Within every believer, is the real or true Temple where the Holy Spirit resides.
The Bible says we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit and it is within that new man, the regenerated man, that God resides.
That new regenerated Spirit man, separates God from the rest of your inward parts.
And that new man is within our heart.
You are like a house with many rooms in it and God is in just one of them, separated from all the others, with only one door to get in.
 

know1

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I know you meant no harm so I wanted to fix something you posted bro,we receive sustenance from JESUS and display spiritual fruit establishing the law.
I reread what I said and I don't see what needs correcting.
And I'm not quite sure exactly what you were saying at the same time.
Would you care to elaborate for me please?
 

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I no longer think the church is spiritually dead any longer, thanks to you and a couple others. However, I still think they are spiritually dense, like Jesus' disciples were before His resurrection.
Thank you for your kind words. This came as a complete surprise.

It's the remnant I think. I still see 3 levels of the kingdom. Passover-salvation by blood; Pentecost- the baptism obviously and gifts given...and Tabernacles- the glory of His Presence in and around one.

We tend to stop and think we have it all with these experiences.
 

know1

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What do you think is the source of that carnal man and sin nature of man?
Why do you think the Bible calls that Spirit, a man?
Old, new, or hidden man?
You disagree with what I wrote even though I used scripture to back up what I said, do you have any Scripture to back up anything of what you just said where God will not abide or reside side by side with an evil spirit?
I ask because I have heard that from others, but no one has yet to give me any Scripture to back it up with, and neither can I find any.
When God was with Israel in the Old Testament times, didn't he separate himself from them through the Ark of the Covenant and through the holy of holies in the temple?
The new spirit that God put Within every believer, is the real or true Temple where the Holy Spirit resides.
The Bible says we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit and it is within that new man, the regenerated man, that God resides.
That new regenerated Spirit man, separates God from the rest of your inward parts.
And that new man is within our heart.
You are like a house with many rooms in it and God is in just one of them, separated from all the others, with only one door to get in.
As usual, no comment, no examples, and no scriptures given to backup what is claimed as fact, I am just ignored.
That is the usual response I get when I corner people who have no faith, into giving me an example of a good work.
What I see is some having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof, or a phony.
I noticed some kudos, but again, no scriptural proof to back up the claims to those they agree with.
I see so many stuck in their own unbelieving ways, condemning and belittling the beliefs of those with apposing views, with very little knowledge or understanding of the subject, while feigning the opposite.
When I see someone proving me wrong, I ADMIT IT OPENLY, as I have done three or four times in the past, and followed with a change in what I believed to line up with the scripture given. Knowing that the truth is more important to me than keeping my foolish pride and pet doctrine.
I seek God for the truth of each subject, even those I am firm on. If someone says or shows me something that makes sense or gets me thinking that I got it wrong, I go before God and ask Him in all sincerity what the truth is.
A person who is satisfied with a lie, will reject the truth because they are full.
I see many here on CC don't even care about knowing and understanding the truth, to their shame and disgrace.

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Anyone who cannot tell others about what God did through them, to give Him glory, without thinking they are bragging on themselves, as they would be tooting their own horn, because they are ever so humble and holy, has a serious problem and need to get rid of their filthy rags.
 

know1

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Thank you for your kind words. This came as a complete surprise.

It's the remnant I think. I still see 3 levels of the kingdom. Passover-salvation by blood; Pentecost- the baptism obviously and gifts given...and Tabernacles- the glory of His Presence in and around one.

We tend to stop and think we have it all with these experiences.
I am not familiar with the three levels of the kingdom, would you care to elaborate or expound on what little you did say about it?
 

Embankment

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We are new beings in Christ. Anything we do outside of Christ does nothing to further God’s Kingdom.
 

know1

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We are new beings in Christ. Anything we do outside of Christ does nothing to further God’s Kingdom.
And neither do good works that don't glorify God above ourselves.
Would you mind defining, "outside Christ" for me please?
My understanding of being in or out of Christ, is most likely different than yours.
 

Embankment

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Anything that really matters in life should be done with a spirit of Christ.
 

know1

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Anything that really matters in life should be done with a spirit of Christ.
Okay, now you're pressing another button.
According to my understanding, we, God's children, move in and out of Christ, along with the kingdom of God, and that we have "A spirit [/seed] of Christ"
Not the Spirit of Christ, but a seed of and from the Spirit and from Christ.
When Jesus said except we eat His flesh and drink His blood, we have no life in us.
I have shown in pashow Jesus and the Holy Spirit multiply themselves through seeds or offspring.
 

Embankment

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Okay, now you're pressing another button.
According to my understanding, we, God's children, move in and out of Christ, along with the kingdom of God, and that we have "A spirit [/seed] of Christ"
Not the Spirit of Christ, but a seed of and from the Spirit and from Christ.
When Jesus said except we eat His flesh and drink His blood, we have no life in us.
I have shown in pashow Jesus and the Holy Spirit multiply themselves through seeds or offspring.
That a bit toooooo complicated for me.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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I Am the True Vine​
Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Joh 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

What kind of fruit do you produce now that you are born again, that you couldn't do before?

Jesus said we can do "nothing" without Him, what do you think He means, when He says, nothing?

The Greek describes the word, nothing as, "not even ONE thing".

Anybody know what Jesus is talking about? It would have to be something you couldn't do before you received Jesus in your life, that brings glory to God.

Is it love or forgiveness, the ability to escape sin's hold, go to heaven, or is it something bigger?
The word nothing there as you say means literally, not one thing. Every breath, every heart beat, every single moment of existing, you do by the loving grace of God. One day your grace period will be over, unless you have submitted to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, then you will live forever.
Paul said he could do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens him. This is about enduring what ever condition he or situations he faced because he knew the promise of his eternal grace.
Also nothing we can do can please God, and our righteousness is filthy rags. So we can only please God and possess any righteousness in the sight of God through Christ Jesus.
 

know1

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The word nothing there as you say means literally, not one thing. Every breath, every heart beat, every single moment of existing, you do by the loving grace of God. One day your grace period will be over, unless you have submitted to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, then you will live forever.
Paul said he could do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens him. This is about enduring what ever condition he or situations he faced because he knew the promise of his eternal grace.
Also nothing we can do can please God, and our righteousness is filthy rags. So we can only please God and possess any righteousness in the sight of God through Christ Jesus.
The context goes something like this.
"Without me, Jesus, your total supply, you the believer, will not be able to produce even one good fruit, not one.
Jesus was talking to the believers, not to the world.
He was telling those who are "abiding in Him" and those who have His word abiding in them.
Jesus is not in the unbelievers or the world, only those who are God's children.
And their righteousness is not their own.
So those who are born again, are righteous because of God's righteousness that is in them.
As Jesus is in us, so are we in this world.
He is righteous, therefore we are righteous because of His righteousness in us.
Without faith, it is impossible to please God.