Woman who left her husband - what is her solution?

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Ariel82

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OK, but this seems to say the opposite - he must marry her and he must stay with her. So her protection from rapist is in what? :)
In that her father can refuse to let him marry her.

It says he has to provide for her for the rest of her life and can never divorce her.
 
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What is an engagement? When does it start? How does it end? Do same rules as for marriage apply?
The Biblical engagement: the future husband asked the bride for her hand (with the consent of her father).

He would leave her with many gifts and sometimes he would leave a helper.

She then makes a vow to commit to her future husband. He will then leave to prepare her a house and when his father was satisfied with the house he prepared, he would have permission to go and fetch his bride.

She would be waiting daily in anticipation because she would not now the hour he returns. When he came back for her he didn't even enter her house but announced himself with shofars and screams and she would run outside towards him to be swept away to her new house.
 

trofimus

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So in your mind Christ came to enslave us to new rules?
"The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry." :)

I thought Jesus came to set us free and to show how to walk in love with Him.

I thought Jesus was about redeeming people and showing them a better way.

I thought he looked at the spirit of the commandments and not the letter of the law.
"Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate."
"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"
Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning."


Matthew 19:10

I thought Jesus was the man who refused to stone the adulterous woman?
I am afraid that this story is not authentic.
 

trofimus

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In that her father can refuse to let him marry her.

It says he has to provide for her for the rest of her life and can never divorce her.
Where is it said? It was said only for a seduced girl. I mean the refusal of the father.
 
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Ariel82

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1 Corinthians 7:32 ►
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I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs--how he can please the Lord.
But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world--how he can please his wife--

and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world--how she can please her husband.

I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

If anyone is worried that he might not be acting honorably toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if his passions are too strong and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married.

But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin--this man also does the right thing.

So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does better.

A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.

In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is--and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.
 
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trofimus

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1 Corinthians 7:32 ►
New International Version
I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs--how he can please the Lord.
But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world--how he can please his wife--

and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world--how she can please her husband.

I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

If anyone is worried that he might not be acting honorably toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if his passions are too strong and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married.

But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin--this man also does the right thing.

So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does better.

A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.

In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is--and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.
Yeah, truly, to stay single is the most simple way how not to break any rule :)
 
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Ariel82

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Where is it said? It was said only for a seduced girl. I mean the refusal of the father.
They are parallel verses...raped and seduced refer to the same act....

The man might call it seduction, but if the girl says it's rape than the father has the right to refuse and protect her from abuse.
 
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Ariel82

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Yeah, truly, to stay single is the most simple way how not to break any rule.
Follow God and He will give you joy.

Which is better than temporal happiness.
 

trofimus

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They are parallel verses...raped and seduced refer to the same act....

The man might call it seduction, but if the girl says it's rape than the father has the right to refuse and protect her from abuse.
I think that to seduce means that the girl is not forced physically. Of course, both can lie about it... which makes the thing very complicated.
 
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Ariel82

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Hold up....
"I am afraid that this story is not authentic"

It's in the Bible.

Why would you toss it?
 

trofimus

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Someone in the position of church authority should really do a comprehensive study about all these issues.
 
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Ariel82

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I think that to seduce means that the girl is not forced physically. Of course, both can lie about it... which makes the thing very complicated.
But it says in that chapter to stone an engaged woman raped in the city, but not the country.

Implying she was seduced in the city or she would have cried out and been help, but what we call raped in the country.

We have to remember, it's in Hebrew not English and the translation might not be exact.
 

trofimus

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Hold up....
"I am afraid that this story is not authentic"

It's in the Bible.

Why would you toss it?
Dont you have a note in your bible saying that this story is a later addition?
 
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Ariel82

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Someone in the position of church authority should really do a comprehensive study about all these issues.
Lol they have, do you want links?
 
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Exactly these verses were canceled by Christ.
Christ said this place came from Moses, not from God. She is not free to remarry now.

I am not sure about the return to the husband though. The NT does not talk about it.
Jesus also said that He is seated in the seat of Moses... meaning He is teaching what Moses taught :)

He was speaking to the Pharisees and they were living in sin while telling other people not to sin. They were not blood washed children of God.

When Jesus talked to the prostitute after he wrote in the ground he said to her

John 8:10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

When Christ enters the picture our sins are forgiven, but the commandment is to go and sin no more.
 
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Ariel82

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Dont you have a note in your bible saying that this story is a later addition?
I know there are two sources that modern day Bibles are translated from and some stories and verses are in one but not the other. For example the word "fasting" in the story about the boy who toss himself in the fire. The disciples asked Jesus why they couldn't cast it out. In one version, Jesus says "it only comes out with prayer and fasting"

The other only says "prayer"

I believe the one that includes fasting is more authentic because the apostles obviously prayed.

Will have to reference the "stoned" woman story again and see what the biblical scholars say about it.
 

trofimus

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I know there are two sources that modern day Bibles are translated from and some stories and verses are in one but not the other. For example the word "fasting" in the story about the boy who toss himself in the fire. The disciples asked Jesus why they couldn't cast it out. In one version, Jesus says "it only comes out with prayer and fasting"

The other only says "prayer"

I believe the one that includes fasting is more authentic because the apostles obviously prayed.

Will have to reference the "stoned" woman story again and see what the biblical scholars say about it.
OK, its a topic for another thread, it does not influence anything in this one, I think...